2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[JohnboyND7]

1 minute ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Who will interupt more? Thinking over and under at 27 would be a good number.

Trump will a lot more. He has a more domineering attitude.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

19 minutes ago, Goon said:

You might want to review the Hatch Act because none of us have violated it on here. 

Hopefully you don't log in to this site from work.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Half hour in, both still awake.
Petty mild discussion, mostly interruptions.

[Sioux>Bison]

37 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

America's CEOs say Trump failed on coronavirus -- and they're backing Biden

President Donald Trump says he deserves an "A+" for his handling of the pandemic. Corporate America says he deserves a failing grade.

Fifty-five percent of CEOs and other business leaders give Trump an "F" for his administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a poll conducted by the Yale School of Management. Another 12% say Trump deserves a "D."

Just 6% of the attendees at Yale's Chief Executive Leadership Institute CEO Caucus award Trump an "A" for his handling of Covid-19.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/america-s-ceos-say-trump-failed-on-coronavirus-and-they-re-backing-biden/ar-BB19xEYu?ocid=msedgdhp

Funny they would still support Biden when Biden says he is going to raise their corporate taxes. Oh wait those corporations have loop holes and won’t pay taxes anyways.... This tax code has always benefited big corporations and the rest of us common folk is who pays all the taxes. The democrat and republicans just give us lip service and we all believe them....

[UNDlaw80]

The loser of this debate is Chris Wallace.   What a ****show of interruptions.  

 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

5 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

The loser of this debate is Chris Wallace.   What a ****show of interruptions.  

He is doing a terrible job. I said about 10 minutes ago to those I'm with, that Wallace was hyped up to supposedly be the right guy to start the debates and he's not doing well.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Wallace - we need fewer interuptions. LOL

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

One hour in, both still awake!!
In fact the tempo may have picked up a slight bit in last 10 minutes. Still, clearly no winner at this point, more like 3 losers.
Half hour left for anyone of the 3 to steal the show.

[Sioux>Bison]

Answer the questions Joe!

1. Your son Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from a Russian billionaire who was married to the former mayor of Moscow. He also had a joint bank account with a Chinese national that financed $100,000 in credit card purchases around the world. This all happened while you were Vice President. Why would people connected to the Russian and Chinese governments want to give your son millions of dollars?

2. You recently said you “got started” at Delaware State University, an HBCU. The school says they have no record of you ever attending. What did you major in there?

3. In June you said you were vetting your own potential Supreme Court picks and promised you would release your own list. Now you say you won’t release a list. Why go back on your pledge?

4. Your running mate Kamala Harris said last year that she was open to adding as many as 4 seats to the Supreme Court. Now more leading Democrats are saying your party should pack the Supreme Court if they get the chance. Are you refusing to answer whether you will go along with this radical plan because you are too weak to stand up to it?

5. In January 2017, you said that Democrats should not block President Trump’s nominees for the Supreme Court. You said you believe the Constitution “requires” the Senate “to give the nominee a hearing and a vote.” In 2016 you said “would go forward with the confirmation process” of a Supreme Court nominee “even a few months before a presidential election … just as the Constitution requires." Now you say the Constitution requires the exact opposite. How do you reconcile that change?

6. In 2008 you promised Americans that if they made less than $250,000 they would not pay a penny more in taxes. You broke that promise and imposed new taxes that directly impacted middle-class Americans. Now you’re claiming you won’t raise taxes on anyone making more than 400,000. Why should voters believe you now, especially since you’ve said you will reinstate the individual mandate tax?

7. As Vice President, you oversaw the weakest economic recovery since the Great Depression. What would you do differently if you were elected?

8. Your plan would raise the U.S. business tax rate higher than China’s rate. Won’t that make it more expensive for companies to do business in America and ultimately send jobs overseas?

9. President Trump imposed restrictions on travel from China on January 31 to combat the spread of the coronavirus. Why did it take you two months to say you supported that decision?

10. In 2008 you and Barack Obama promised to fully fund the federal COPS program, which provides resources to local law enforcement. But funding for this program was cut while you were vice president, despite your promise. Why did you fail to keep your word?

11. Earlier this year your campaign staff donated money to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, an organization that bailed out of a jail a rioter who shot at police officers and other violent criminals and sexual predators. Your running mate Kamala Harris also urged people to donate to that organization and is still raising money for it. Do you condone that?

12. You say if you’re elected you’ll push to give citizenship to the 11 million undocumented people in our country. Why do you believe they should receive Medicare and Social Security benefits?

13. When you were running for president in 2007, both you and Obama pledged to renegotiate NAFTA, a promise you did not keep when you were in office. You recently blamed Republicans for this, saying they wouldn’t go along with it, but Democrats controlled Congress in 2009 when the Obama Administration announced it would not even try to change NAFTA. So why did you fail to keep your word?

14. When you voted to give China “most favored nation” trade status in 2000, you said you did not foresee “the collapse of the American manufacturing economy” because of it. But by one estimate, it led to the loss of 1 million manufacturing jobs in the U.S. Do you acknowledge that your vote to give China most favored nation trade status was a mistake that hurt American workers?

15. The 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic infected 60 million Americans when you were VP, and the federal government depleted its strategic stockpile of N95 masks in response. A fact check by USA Today found that your administration made no effort to replenish the stockpile of masks, despite warnings from experts. Do you accept responsibility for that failure, which left America unprepared for another pandemic?

16. Your campaign says it is a “lie” that “the Biden-Harris ticket is the most radically pro-abortion” ticket “in U.S. history.” Are there any restrictions on abortion that you support, and if so, please be specific?  

17. You said the N-word 13 times during a 1985 Senate nomination fight, when you were quoting something attributed to someone else. Do you think that was appropriate to do? Is that the only time you’ve said the N-word?
So do you think sleepy joe will answer one of this 17 questions my guess NO

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

3 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Answer the questions Joe!

1. Your son Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from a Russian billionaire who was married to the former mayor of Moscow. He also had a joint bank account with a Chinese national that financed $100,000 in credit card purchases around the world. This all happened while you were Vice President. Why would people connected to the Russian and Chinese governments want to give your son millions of dollars?

2. You recently said you “got started” at Delaware State University, an HBCU. The school says they have no record of you ever attending. What did you major in there?

3. In June you said you were vetting your own potential Supreme Court picks and promised you would release your own list. Now you say you won’t release a list. Why go back on your pledge?

4. Your running mate Kamala Harris said last year that she was open to adding as many as 4 seats to the Supreme Court. Now more leading Democrats are saying your party should pack the Supreme Court if they get the chance. Are you refusing to answer whether you will go along with this radical plan because you are too weak to stand up to it?

5. In January 2017, you said that Democrats should not block President Trump’s nominees for the Supreme Court. You said you believe the Constitution “requires” the Senate “to give the nominee a hearing and a vote.” In 2016 you said “would go forward with the confirmation process” of a Supreme Court nominee “even a few months before a presidential election … just as the Constitution requires." Now you say the Constitution requires the exact opposite. How do you reconcile that change?

6. In 2008 you promised Americans that if they made less than $250,000 they would not pay a penny more in taxes. You broke that promise and imposed new taxes that directly impacted middle-class Americans. Now you’re claiming you won’t raise taxes on anyone making more than 400,000. Why should voters believe you now, especially since you’ve said you will reinstate the individual mandate tax?

7. As Vice President, you oversaw the weakest economic recovery since the Great Depression. What would you do differently if you were elected?

8. Your plan would raise the U.S. business tax rate higher than China’s rate. Won’t that make it more expensive for companies to do business in America and ultimately send jobs overseas?

9. President Trump imposed restrictions on travel from China on January 31 to combat the spread of the coronavirus. Why did it take you two months to say you supported that decision?

10. In 2008 you and Barack Obama promised to fully fund the federal COPS program, which provides resources to local law enforcement. But funding for this program was cut while you were vice president, despite your promise. Why did you fail to keep your word?

11. Earlier this year your campaign staff donated money to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, an organization that bailed out of a jail a rioter who shot at police officers and other violent criminals and sexual predators. Your running mate Kamala Harris also urged people to donate to that organization and is still raising money for it. Do you condone that?

12. You say if you’re elected you’ll push to give citizenship to the 11 million undocumented people in our country. Why do you believe they should receive Medicare and Social Security benefits?

13. When you were running for president in 2007, both you and Obama pledged to renegotiate NAFTA, a promise you did not keep when you were in office. You recently blamed Republicans for this, saying they wouldn’t go along with it, but Democrats controlled Congress in 2009 when the Obama Administration announced it would not even try to change NAFTA. So why did you fail to keep your word?

14. When you voted to give China “most favored nation” trade status in 2000, you said you did not foresee “the collapse of the American manufacturing economy” because of it. But by one estimate, it led to the loss of 1 million manufacturing jobs in the U.S. Do you acknowledge that your vote to give China most favored nation trade status was a mistake that hurt American workers?

15. The 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic infected 60 million Americans when you were VP, and the federal government depleted its strategic stockpile of N95 masks in response. A fact check by USA Today found that your administration made no effort to replenish the stockpile of masks, despite warnings from experts. Do you accept responsibility for that failure, which left America unprepared for another pandemic?

16. Your campaign says it is a “lie” that “the Biden-Harris ticket is the most radically pro-abortion” ticket “in U.S. history.” Are there any restrictions on abortion that you support, and if so, please be specific?  

17. You said the N-word 13 times during a 1985 Senate nomination fight, when you were quoting something attributed to someone else. Do you think that was appropriate to do? Is that the only time you’ve said the N-word?
So do you think sleepy joe will answer one of this 17 questions my guess NO

You bring up 17 points that may be concerns to many?
Your way off target on your last sentence with "sleep joe" in it, they're both still awake.

[JohnboyND7]

These guys are both something else, but Biden is clearly vulnerable when it comes to Hunter, he's vulnerable on Courts, hes vulnerable on race, and hes vulnerable on energy. 

 

[Hayduke1]

1 minute ago, JohnboyND7 said:

These guys are both something else, but Biden is clearly vulnerable when it comes to Hunter, he's vulnerable on Courts, hes vulnerable on race, and hes vulnerable on energy. 

 

And Trump is just...vunerable.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

1 minute ago, JohnboyND7 said:

These guys are both something else, but Biden is clearly vulnerable when it comes to Hunter, he's vulnerable on Courts, hes vulnerable on race, and hes vulnerable on energy. 

 

This in fact is pretty sad.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

2 hours ago, Goon said:

You're really not very smart,  just because a leftwing publican and the partisan democrats don't approve of a report, that  doesn't make it wrong. To quote former Twins play by play announcer, Herb Carneal, "Swing and a miss." Be better @heydouche1

 

It says in the headline that it was a bi-partisan panel. It's one thing to not read the article, but for crying out loud at least read the headline.

[Sioux>Bison]

I agree with Biden. We need to tell Brazil to quit cutting down the rain forests otherwise we will sanction them and isolate them from the global economy. If any of these presidents had the guts to do it then it would have a bigger impact than installing more windmills.

[JohnboyND7]

1 minute ago, Sioux>Bison said:

I agree with Biden. We need to tell Brazil to quit cutting down the rain forests otherwise we will sanction them and isolate them from the global economy. If any of these presidents had the guts to do it then it would have a bigger impact than installing more windmills.

Brazil is entitled to do what Brazil wants with their own country. After all, it belongs to...Brazil

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Wallace was a failure.

Don't see a winner in this "Interruption Debate".    Woooow   Ugly
Trump showed a little spark in the last minutes but just a slight slight slight edge goes to Biden because of Trump setting the bar so low for Biden.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Is there any reason in having the next two debates?  Let the VP's finish it off with one, then wait for the election.

[Sioux>Bison]

20 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Brazil is entitled to do what Brazil wants with their own country. After all, it belongs to...Brazil

Yeah we should have just let Germany kill all the Jews in their country. After all it they belonged to Germany. Dumb argument 

since when do we stay in our own lane when it come to what other countries do that affects us?

[Hayduke1]

Trump just gave the election to Biden. 

Bullying and interrupting constantly impresses not one undecided voter.  

Biden didn't have to light it up.  Push back from time to time and talk directly to the audience. All he had to do is let Trump be Trump.

That worked.  

[UND1983]

4 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Trump just gave the election to Biden. 

Bullying and interrupting constantly impresses not one undecided voter.  

Biden didn't have to light it up.  Push back from time to time and talk directly to the audience. All he had to do is let Trump be Trump.

That worked.  

Lmfao...I think you misread the room like usual.

[SWSiouxMN]

4 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

No debate watching for me tonight.  I'd rather rewatch the Summit Men's Championship from this year. 

I'll just check the lowlights later in the night. 

I made the right decision.

Dear god............

[Hayduke1]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

Lmfao...I think you misread the room like usual.

Nope.  He played to the cult and no one else.  Your Dear Leader just proved to the undecideds that he is not fit to be POTUS. 

[90siouxfan]

Trump was Trump, Biden was more coherent than expected.  My take, sad state of decorum present by either future leader of the world.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

8 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I made the right decision.

Dear god............

You're the winner, I never listened to a debate that bad.