2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[SIOUXFAN97]

22 minutes ago, wasmania said:

testing? massive testing? if you wouldnt mind the inconvenience

so you get tested...it's negative...let's go see grandma but stop at happy harry's on the way...you get the 'rona at happy harrys from the guy working the till...your NEGATIVE test is as good as *&()*U

[Cratter]

I never understood the "we can only reopen" with massive testing.

Even in a perfect utopia of at home covid tests at Walmart. 

We expect everyone to buy them and test themselves twice a week for a year or two?

[Cratter]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so you get tested...it's negative...let's go see grandma but stop at happy harry's on the way...you get the 'rona at happy harrys from the guy working the till...your NEGATIVE test is as good as *&()*U

Exactly. Testing doesnt mean squat unless did multiple times which is unrealistic.

[Oxbow6]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

The antibody testing or whatever they call it....or just the general test?  

So basically the single mom of 3 in Lisbon ND gets tested in 2-4 weeks. No antibodies. She won't be able to go back into the workforce until she falls ill and test positive or she continually gets retested until she's positive for antibodies. In the meantime her kids are thrust in poverty and hunger but 92 year old Mildred at the Parkside Lutheran Nursing Home hopefully can have another birthday even though she hasn't been able to recognize her own children for 3 years. Wash...rinse...repeat for the rest of the 300M+ on this country. 

[wasmania]

Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so you get tested...it's negative...let's go see grandma but stop at happy harry's on the way...you get the 'rona at happy harrys from the guy working the till...your NEGATIVE test is as as *&()*U

no you test negative and you social distance while doing your commerce and go see grandma.  get up and do it again the next day.

[Cratter]

Antibody testing makes more sense to see if you've already had it.

[wasmania]

Just now, Cratter said:

Antibody testing makes more sense to see if you've already had it.

that would be great if we knew it doesnt recur.  Hopefully thats the case but it hasnt been proved yet.

[Oxbow6]

1 minute ago, wasmania said:

no you test negative and you social distance while doing your commerce and go see grandma.  get up and do it again the next day.

Couldn't I turn into a killing machine by Thursday though?

[wasmania]

Just now, Oxbow6 said:

Couldn't I turn into a killing machine by Thursday though?

maybe some compromise that reduces everyone's likelihood of being a killing machine at any given time by 75% or something through a smart test/retest protocol?  Paid for by public health and financial support to those needed to isolate for a period of time for the greater good?

 

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[Oxbow6]

6 minutes ago, wasmania said:

maybe some compromise that reduces everyone's likelihood of being a killing machine at any given time by 75% or something through a smart test/retest protocol?  Paid for by public health and financial support to those needed to isolate for a period of time for the greater good?

Ummmmm.....we already know who those folks are. Do that and let the rest of us get back to living, buying paint, going to the Theodore Roosevelt National Park and taking a Sunday drive without getting a ticket. 

[Redneksioux]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Ummmmm.....we already know who those folks are. Do that and let the rest of us get back to living, buying paint, going to the Theodore Roosevelt National Park and taking a Sunday drone without getting a ticket. 

Can’t you still do all of that minus going to the park?

[Kab]

So UND is cutting hours due to the virus but NDSU says there financial position is in such good shape now they don’t foresee that for now.

how the hell does that work 

[Oxbow6]

Just now, Redneksioux said:

Can’t you still do all of that minus going to the park?

Good point......how about giving back our religious liberties and our right to assemble?

[wasmania]

5 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Ummmmm.....we already know who those folks are. Do that and let the rest of us get back to living, buying paint, going to the Theodore Roosevelt National Park and taking a Sunday drive without getting a ticket. 

yes, if you are not spreading disease currently

[wasmania]

43 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

So if the believed infectious rate numbers are possibly off by 5000%, what good are the models?

not very much use except to build planning scenarios  that need to be updated constantly until the data is known,  and its still being discovered. every day. all over the world.

[Redneksioux]

10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Good point......how about giving back our religious liberties and our right to assemble?

How have religious liberties been infringed upon? And your right to assemble will return when our leaders can figure out how to safely do it. Many other countries have figured out how  to do this so I hope eventually we can figure it out too.

[Oxbow6]

.....meanwhile since the healthcare systems are almost singlely focused on COVID and patients are fearful from the hype to seek care diabetics will need amputations as their foot ulcers worsen, people will experience permanent vision loss because they can't get their injections for exudative macular degeneration and orthopedic patients who need a total knee replacement wind up falling and now require surgery to boot for a torn rotator cuff injury.

[iramurphy]

So we have one pseudo-intellectual who disguises his limited knowledge by attempting to chase some poor souls to their “google dictionary “ to see what he is talking about. Other than the political bend, there seems to be  nothing of substance. Reminds me of the Harvard geek who was put in his place by a janitor (albeit a bright one) for regurgitating other people thoughts and ideas in the movie Good Will Hunting. 
At one time there was an exchange of information and thoughts from medical people dealing with the crisis directly. There were discussions and comments from folks who have lost friends or loved ones, or folks suffering, both economically and socially, as a result of this pandemic. 
The blame game can wait and their will be plenty of blame to go around. If anyone doesn’t think multiple federal and state administrations, both political parties, world, federal, state, county, and city health departments, government health care providers, private health care providers as well as individual citizens mustn’t assume their share of the responsibility, then you need get get your head out of the sand. 
To dismiss the need for precautions whether it be social distancing, stay at home orders, masks, testing etc would be a mistake. At the same time to dismiss the suffering of those that have lost their jobs, face financial difficulties or financial disaster, and social isolation would also be a mistake. 
Regardless of what the Trump administration decides or your state government administration decides there will be risk involved. Testing is important but testing negative this week doesn’t mean much for next week. Antibody testing may indicate immunity but we aren’t sure yet. The medical community is still in the trial and error mode with different hospitals/institutions forming conflicting opinions with regards to same or similar treatments. Same with our government leaders. 
In the meantime, as people start to return to work, take precautions such as masks, hand washing, social distancing and resist the temptation to gather in groups for social events without being careful. There are too many people and families facing financial collapse to disregard their plight.  
At the same time returning work and other normal activities will involve the risk of spreading the infection. Reasonable arguments on both sides and because we aren’t the decision makers we need to focus on best practice. In addition to the recommended precautions accept the personal responsibility to get healthy. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

i'm starting to think that wasmania is hadju

[wasmania]

7 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

So we have one pseudo-intellectual who disguises his limited knowledge by attempting to chase some poor souls to their “google dictionary “ to see what he is talking about. Other than the political bend, there seems to be  nothing of substance. Reminds me of the Harvard geek who was put in his place by a janitor (albeit a bright one) for regurgitating other people thoughts and ideas in the movie Good Will Hunting. 
At one time there was an exchange of information and thoughts from medical people dealing with the crisis directly. There were discussions and comments from folks who have lost friends or loved ones, or folks suffering, both economically and socially, as a result of this pandemic. 
The blame game can wait and their will be plenty of blame to go around. If anyone thinks multiple federal and state administrations, both political parties, world, federal, state, county, and city health departments, government health care providers, private health care providers as well as individual citizens must assume their share of the responsibility, then you need get get your head out of the sand. 
To dismiss the need for precautions whether it be social distancing, stay at home orders, masks, testing etc would be a mistake. At the same time to dismiss the suffering of those that have lost their jobs, face financial difficulties or financial disaster, and social isolation would also be a mistake. 
Regardless of what the Trump administration decides or your state government administration decides there will be risk involved. Testing is important but testing negative this week doesn’t mean much for next week. Antibody testing may indicate immunity but we aren’t sure yet. The medical community is still in the trial and error mode with different hospitals/institutions forming conflicting opinions with regards to same or similar treatments. Same with our government leaders. 
In the meantime, as people start to return to work, take precautions such as masks, hand washing, social distancing and resist the temptation to gather in groups for social events without being careful. There are too many people and families facing financial collapse to disregard their plight.  
At the same time returning work and other normal activities will involve the risk of spreading the infection. Reasonable arguments on both sides and because we aren’t the decision makers we need to focus on best practice. In addition to the recommended precautions accept the personal responsibility to get healthy. 

the torches and pitchforks brandished as you chase the unlucky statistician who blundered by speaking college level to people on a college website are spectacular.  But agreed it would be better if we all did shut up and invited the real doctors back who are treating the disease.  

[NDSU grad]

53 minutes ago, wasmania said:

no you test negative and you social distance while doing your commerce and go see grandma.  get up and do it again the next day.

So are you advocating for daily, rapid testing?  As far as I know Abott Laboratories has the only rapid test available, and it's only available in a medical setting.  And this technology is only a month old so I don't know if it's as accurate as PCR based testing.  IMO, a vaccine will come before that kind of testing becomes available.

[Siouxphan27]

27 minutes ago, wasmania said:

not very much use except to build planning scenarios  that need to be updated constantly until the data is known,  and its still being discovered. every day. all over the world.

So if the models usefulness currently can be described as "not very", what is the point of constantly defending their results?   Instead of the roller coaster of calm and fear they are currently providing, why don't they just wait with the announcements until they can provide some useful stats with a margin of error something less than 1000's of percent?     

[dynato]

 

6 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

From latest IHME projections......"maybe possible???

Can guarantee a vast majority of this state's population isn't going to tolerate these current guidelines past 3 more weeks. 

The IHME are projections based on assumptions and current data (within several days recent). The "maybe possible" bit about opening up has always been tacked on there, so do not get angry that you are finally getting around to reading the model in detail. This is why I said lobby your governor, because he makes the final call. They will only make the call if enough people with valid concerns pressure them. 

I said before that ND will be one of the last to get hit. LM Windpower just faced an outbreak and Altru is already worried about their capacity. If Grand Forks community members need to be shipped down to the Fargodome for care, the sentiment will likely change.

5 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

Hey careful. IHME is a good model just a bit of bad data.

For instance check out WY.  Project 21 deaths on May 1st.  A total of 243 by August 4th. To data ZERO deaths.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/wyoming

This just in: Wyoming had zero covid deaths last year and zero covid deaths this year. This obviously can only mean one thing. They are immune to dying from the virus! 

Edited April 18, 2020 by dynato
Found the referred stats

[CMSioux]

1 hour ago, MafiaMan said:

Three hours later...

 

I blame the virus  

[Nodak78]

8 minutes ago, dynato said:

We need a link showing sample size and confidence intervals in their estimate of 85 times higher. If the range is 2 to 85 times higher, and you are using the 85 times higher to fit your narrative, that needs to be stated. If it is an educated guess, that needs to be stated. Establish credibility and people will change their mind and believe you.

There is no doubt that the infectious rate is likely higher than what is being reported. To say this though you would also have to admit there is a possibility of deaths being missed as well. The only way to definitively prove this is widespread testing. Based on current reporting trend, the USA simply does not have capacity to run more than 30k tests a day. This is our limiting factor. 

The IHME are projections based on assumptions and current data (within several days recent). The "maybe possible" bit about opening up has always been tacked on there, so do not get angry that you are finally getting around to reading the model in detail. This is why I said lobby your governor, because he makes the final call. They will only make the call if enough people with valid concerns pressure them. 

I said before that ND will be one of the last to get hit. LM Windpower just faced an outbreak and Altru is already worried about their capacity. If Grand Forks community members need to be shipped down to the Fargodome for care, the sentiment will likely change.

This just in: Wyoming had zero covid deaths last year and zero covid deaths this year. This obviously can only mean one thing. They are immune to dying from the virus! 

Nice to know that one thing is absolute.