Who would UND hire?

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?

Let me fill you in on a little secret.

UND has played football for 130 years, and has only won one national championship.

That's a lot of years of holding your breathe....similar to being a MN Vikings fan.

[Siouxperman8]

8 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

Was basket weaving a major or just a series of classes at that time?

We had a lot of good students who became successful lawyers, doctors, engineers, PTs, business execs….  Just think it wouldn’t take many low scores to drive team gpa below 3.3. 
 

the only accredited basket weaving major was the underwater discipline. 

[UND1983]

7 hours ago, Cratter said:

Let me fill you in on a little secret.

UND has played football for 130 years, and has only won one national championship.

That's a lot of years of holding your breathe....similar to being a MN Vikings fan.

Conference even?

[UND92,96]

I realize there are several important differences in the two eras, such as the state of the program when they took over, but it's nevertheless interesting that Bubba's current winning percentage after nearly 11 full seasons (.559) is actually lower than what Pat Behrns' was at the time he was fired at the end of his sixth season (.571). Behrns was 8-3 in this second-to-last season, but followed that up with a 3-8 record in his final season, with an embarrassing 49-0 loss to NDSU to end the season, and that was enough to send him packing. But then again I'm sure Behrns didn't have three years left on his contract at the time.

[sioux24/7]

Would people be in favor of giving the keys to Fruechte? I get wanting to get out of the program but he only has one year in the program. Has done a good job with the offense, in my opinion. Maybe didn’t choose everyone’s favorite QB but they’ve done well. Doesn’t have any head coaching experience maybe a negative. 

[UND08]

22 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Would people be in favor of giving the keys to Fruechte? I get wanting to get out of the program but he only has one year in the program. Has done a good job with the offense, in my opinion. Maybe didn’t choose everyone’s favorite QB but they’ve done well. Doesn’t have any head coaching experience maybe a negative. 

I think Fruechte has a bright future...but at this point I think we need a reboot.

[gundy1124]

20 minutes ago, UND08 said:

I think Fruechte has a bright future...but at this point I think we need a reboot.

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

[fightingsioux4life]

10 hours ago, UND1983 said:

But seriously, the guy was 65-22 at D2 level and got canned.  Because the athletic department expects championships.  Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?

This attitude has become entrenched over the past 15+ years of Division I. Even the hockey team has ready-made excuses for not hanging green banners.

It is very sad.

[UND08]

38 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

Counterpoint - The right coach raid's his current program's signing class and we grab 15 guys from the portal and infuse an immediate talent boost while building a recruiting base that brings us better all-around talent.

And also...you're only talking offense with player retention...because chances are Fruechte would entirely re-boot the defense so those players will likely be evaluating their futures regardless.  

[Sioux94]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

Going to be a lot of transfers out this off season. And we have we almost zero chance of winning more than one playoff game next year without some drastic changes. Not sure we are even .500 next year. Next year is a lost year anyway, just like this one. At this point I'm ready to roll the dice on a change/reboot. 

[iramurphy]

2 hours ago, UND92,96 said:

I realize there are several important differences in the two eras, such as the state of the program when they took over, but it's nevertheless interesting that Bubba's current winning percentage after nearly 11 full seasons (.559) is actually lower than what Pat Behrns' was at the time he was fired at the end of his sixth season (.571). Behrns was 8-3 in this second-to-last season, but followed that up with a 3-8 record in his final season, with an embarrassing 49-0 loss to NDSU to end the season, and that was enough to send him packing. But then again I'm sure Behrns didn't have three years left on his contract at the time.

Behrns was an interesting guy. He was a great recruiter. His assistants at the time didn’t have a lot of D2 experience. UND recruited a number of very good skill players (Willis Jacob, Tracy Martin, Milsen Jones) and won recruiting battles against NDSU.  They recruited a number of D3 guys that looked great on paper especially linemen who couldn’t move. I thought Dave Olson and Richman were pretty good coaches but we just didn’t have the team talent or depth. Tom Clifford used to stop in my office now and then while he was waiting for George Schubert to play handball. We had a conversation about our FB struggles and I brought that up. (I also told Pat the same thing after he was let go and he agreed). More than anything, Behrns had lost to the Bison every year after his initial win. 
After UND he was an assistant at Utah State and eventually HC at UNO where he had some very good teams. 

[shep]

I had a bar conversation with the big nose guard Randy (can't recall last name) about Behrns. He said the guy could sell ice to Eskimos, but he wasn't a great X and O guy.

[AJS]

38 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

Going to be a lot of transfers out this off season. And we have we almost zero chance of winning more than one playoff game next year without some drastic changes. Not sure we are even .500 next year. Next year is a lost year anyway, just like this one. At this point I'm ready to roll the dice on a change/reboot. 

Bubba has lost the program, completely. Everyone knows it. The ceiling next year will be .500, but that seems unlikely. We can talk in absolutes. Burn the program to the ground, Bubba!

Go team GPA!

[UND08]

13 minutes ago, shep said:

I had a bar conversation with the big nose guard Randy (can't recall last name) about Behrns. He said the guy could sell ice to Eskimos, but he wasn't a great X and O guy.

I think surrounding himself with guys like Lance Leipold during his run in Omaha helped with this greatly...

[Siouxperman8]

3 hours ago, UND92,96 said:

I realize there are several important differences in the two eras, such as the state of the program when they took over, but it's nevertheless interesting that Bubba's current winning percentage after nearly 11 full seasons (.559) is actually lower than what Pat Behrns' was at the time he was fired at the end of his sixth season (.571). Behrns was 8-3 in this second-to-last season, but followed that up with a 3-8 record in his final season, with an embarrassing 49-0 loss to NDSU to end the season, and that was enough to send him packing. But then again I'm sure Behrns didn't have three years left on his contract at the time.

Looking back, what's amazing is we were 7-3 in '82 and 8-3 in '84 and that wasn't good enough to make the playoffs.  You had to be top 8 in the poll to make it.  In '82 we were tied for 8th in the poll with N Mich and played them at their place in last game of the season.  Winner moved on and loser was done.  We lost like 30-6 or something  

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Behrns was an interesting guy. He was a great recruiter. His assistants at the time didn’t have a lot of D2 experience. UND recruited a number of very good skill players (Willis Jacob, Tracy Martin, Milsen Jones) and won recruiting battles against NDSU.  They recruited a number of D3 guys that looked great on paper especially linemen who couldn’t move. I thought Dave Olson and Richman were pretty good coaches but we just didn’t have the team talent or depth. Tom Clifford used to stop in my office now and then while he was waiting for George Schubert to play handball. We had a conversation about our FB struggles and I brought that up. (I also told Pat the same thing after he was let go and he agreed). More than anything, Behrns had lost to the Bison every year after his initial win. 
After UND he was an assistant at Utah State and eventually HC at UNO where he had some very good teams. 

Having lived through the Behrns regime and looking back I think he was just too young and/or inexperienced for the job.  He was 30 when he took over.   He was a micromanager and wouldn't let his assistants run their position groups.  We had mostly good assistants when he started but they all left.  Richman and Olson came in the second wave and were good coaches along with a couple more but there were definitely some guys in over their heads. 

From the time I started to when I finished 4 years later, Pat was the only one left on the staff.  That includes assistant coaches and athletic trainers.  All gone.

[gundy1124]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Bubba has lost the program, completely. Everyone knows it. The ceiling next year will be .500, but that seems unlikely. We can talk in absolutes. Burn the program to the ground, Bubba!

Go team GPA!

"A" by "A".  It's catchy!!

[Dustin]

On 11/21/2024 at 8:46 AM, sioux24/7 said:

Would people be in favor of giving the keys to Fruechte?

Of anyone on the current staff, he would be the one.  Least amount of time in the program and the freshest look of outside ideas.  How many UND coaches have ever had FBS and NFL experience?

[shep]

4 hours ago, Dustin said:

Of anyone on the current staff, he would be the one.  Least amount of time in the program and the freshest look of outside ideas.  How many UND coaches have ever had FBS and NFL experience?

If you're willing to give it to Fruechte then you must be willing to give it to Danny

[Dustin]

16 hours ago, shep said:

If you're willing to give it to Fruechte then you must be willing to give it to Danny

I certainly was last year. He may be even more valuable now after some time at SDSU. 

[zonadub]

Is there someone on the staff now that would be a likely candidate to move up to DC? Flueger? Dosch? With all the bring back Freund talk, would Pawlak be a candidate? 
is there someone who could turn the defense around?

[Midwestern Hawk]

Coaching doesn’t matter.  It’s all about recruiting…;)

See Indiana….

[The Sicatoka]

Saint Luke?

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, zonadub said:

Is there someone on the staff now that would be a likely candidate to move up to DC? Flueger? Dosch? With all the bring back Freund talk, would Pawlak be a candidate? 
is there someone who could turn the defense around?

There’s no one on the current staff that could turn the program around. Dosch is the same mold as Schweigert, both leadership-wise and scheme-wise. Hard no thank you. He came out of “retirement” to coach a position group because nobody else wanted to join this decrepit staff.
 

UND needs a complete reboot, meaning opening up all positions, and hiring the best candidate, but preferably that being somebody who has not recently been associated with UND (or ever been), and is on the rise. Likely a relatively young coach, looking to eventually move up to FBS.

[F'n Hawks]

1 hour ago, zonadub said:

Is there someone on the staff now that would be a likely candidate to move up to DC? Flueger? Dosch? With all the bring back Freund talk, would Pawlak be a candidate? 
is there someone who could turn the defense around?

No one internally would be able to turn this defense around.