CMSioux Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 17 hours ago, sioux24/7 said: Tell me why I shouldn’t get this thread going again. Go to a booster lunch - they all have white hair and fat wallets, he's not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Depends on when. IF they finish with 6 wins or less this year, then I do think it happens after this year. Go with Freund and keep all offensive personnel. If they get to 7 (with or without making playoffs) or more, then put the associate head coach tag on Fruechte and hope next year is Bubba’s last and then hand it over to Fruechte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 12 minutes ago, CMSioux said: Go to a booster lunch - they all have white hair and fat wallets, he's not going anywhere. So you’re saying the reason Bubba keeps getting extensions is there’s big $ boosters pumping money into the program to keep him? I had just assumed Chaves was incredibly lazy and loved mediocrity. Very happy with this new development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Just now, AJS said: So you’re saying the reason Bubba keeps getting extensions is there’s big $ boosters pumping money into the program to keep him? I had just assumed Chaves was incredibly lazy and loved mediocrity. Very happy with this new development. It’s true though. A lot of influential money backing Bubba despite his mediocre at best coaching ability. Pays to be nice I guess, especially in North Dakota. Comes back to expectations though; being nice is more important than winning (or doing both!) around here I guess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxHawkGuy Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 15 minutes ago, AJS said: Depends on when. IF they finish with 6 wins or less this year, then I do think it happens after this year. Go with Freund and keep all offensive personnel. If they get to 7 (with or without making playoffs) or more, then put the associate head coach tag on Fruechte and hope next year is Bubba’s last and then hand it over to Fruechte. Make Fruechte HC today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 27 minutes ago, CMSioux said: Go to a booster lunch - they all have white hair and fat wallets, he's not going anywhere. This is why our teams are mediocre to average year after year. Why big money boosters embrace this garbage is beyond my understanding. The person who needs to start caring about excellence in athletics is Armacost. Armacost is the President; it all starts at the top. Until then.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRA Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 So people are saying that the second choice OC, less than a year ago, should be made the new HC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxHawkGuy Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 minutes ago, NDRA said: So people are saying that the second choice OC, less than a year ago, should be made the new HC? Anyone else at this point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 With these new developments (at least for me), think we’re stuck. Clearly, there would always be a tipping point, but not sure even Bubba would be able to reach that low. Let’s play hypothetical’s. He loses out this year. Would that do it? @UND-FB-FAN , @CMSioux I think it would. Unlikely of course as based on past results, getting to 6 would be enough. Just needs one more. My new outlook is hope for the best. 7 wins this year, enough to sell another year to the team ( i.e transfer portal for key players). Key for me is putting Associate Head Coach title on Fruechte after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 12 minutes ago, NDRA said: So people are saying that the second choice OC, less than a year ago, should be made the new HC? Not advocating, but if something happened, and needed interim, who else? Tom Dosch? Special teams coordinator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Not advocating, but if something happened, and needed interim, who else? Tom Dosch? Special teams coordinator? Bubba will keep the job all season, I’m sure of it. At the end of year, though, after the expected occurs (one and done in the playoffs or worse), someone needs to step up and be a leader, whether that’s Bubba resigning, or Chaves and Armacost buying him out. The latter is very unlikely to happen, so really it again comes back to Bubba. Will he admit it’s time and he can’t get it done? Special teams coordinator or Dosch getting the interim title is pointless, accomplishes nothing in the grand scheme of things. The program needs a new voice/ leader in the worst way. it’s why the team is a complete shell of itself on the road or in big games / playoffs. No lead voice. No voice of reason. No leadership or direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 45 minutes ago, NDRA said: So people are saying that the second choice OC, less than a year ago, should be made the new HC? Yes 1 or 2 people mentioned it. You got us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 14 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Bubba will keep the job all season, I’m sure of it. At the end of year, though, after the expected occurs (one and done in the playoffs or worse), someone needs to step up and be a leader, whether that’s Bubba resigning, or Chaves and Armacost buying him out. The latter is very unlikely to happen, so really it again comes back to Bubba. Will he admit it’s time and he can’t get it done? Special teams coordinator or Dosch getting the interim title is pointless, accomplishes nothing in the grand scheme of things. The program needs a new voice/ leader in the worst way. it’s why the team is a complete shell of itself on the road or in big games / playoffs. No lead voice. No voice of reason. No leadership or direction. Laughable to think Bubba would ever resign. Many reasons why with the bottom line first on the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Laughable to think Bubba would ever resign. Many reasons why with the bottom line first on the list Agreed, but unless there’s a contract clause I don’t know about, he’s not going anywhere then. Only possible change is Schwenzfeier being the scapegoat and getting replaced. Otherwise it will be rinse and repeat. “Leaders” (Chaves, Bubba) will cite the new buildings as the reason why 2025 will be different, but again, it won’t be - it’s about the people in the buildings, not the buildings themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 12 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Agreed, but unless there’s a contract clause I don’t know about, he’s not going anywhere then. Only possible change is Schwenzfeier being the scapegoat and getting replaced. Otherwise it will be rinse and repeat. “Leaders” (Chaves, Bubba) will cite the new buildings as the reason why 2025 will be different, but again, it won’t be - it’s about the people in the buildings, not the buildings themselves. Why would he or anyone with a 3 year contract just give it away. i wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 The longtime love of a program only goes so far. Money trumps all, especially stepping aside when it’s past time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 7 minutes ago, shep said: Why would he or anyone with a 3 year contract just give it away. i wouldn’t. It’s wishful thinking. It won’t happen. Money does trump all. Hence Chaves handing out extensions every year is met with fury on a consistent basis. Participation awards for all here at UND athletics, championships are a pipe dream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F'n Hawks Posted October 27 Author Share Posted October 27 1 minute ago, shep said: Why would he or anyone with a 3 year contract just give it away. i wouldn’t. Agreed, that would be giving up a lot of money. Only way it would happen is if he transitions into another role somehow, but doubt they could make that work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelsup Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 20 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Agreed, but unless there’s a contract clause I don’t know about, he’s not going anywhere then. Only possible change is Schwenzfeier being the scapegoat and getting replaced. Otherwise it will be rinse and repeat. “Leaders” (Chaves, Bubba) will cite the new buildings as the reason why 2025 will be different, but again, it won’t be - it’s about the people in the buildings, not the buildings themselves. Remember if one of the coordinators leaves they will have to give bubba another extension or they can’t recruit another assistant coach or any players without bubba having at least two more years on his contract. there are so many reasons given to keep extending bubba.. I have no hope he will ever be gone outside of direct retirement.. I’m sure there is a top 10 list of excuses to keep extending bubba somewhere. I would think a defensive specialist like bubba would fire himself after having a terrible defense year after year. also to be clear I’m not advocating for bubbas replacement in the middle of the season and I still hope we somehow catch lightning in the bottle and make a playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 Freund shouldn’t be considered 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 16 minutes ago, Kab said: Freund shouldn’t be considered Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelsup Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 20 minutes ago, Kab said: Freund shouldn’t be considered I dont have a problem with him being considered although not sure he would be a first pick. A year+ at SDSU makes him more qualified.. offense wasn't the problem when he was here either although I have preferred Fruechte's play calling. Somehow they need to bring in somebody that can actually fix the defense while keeping it up on the offensive side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 13 minutes ago, shep said: Why not? He left UND and I think we have a good person in his place that players like 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 21 minutes ago, shep said: Why not? Cause UND needs to move on. For the love of all things holy stop inbreeding for the first time in 25 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F'n Hawks Posted October 27 Author Share Posted October 27 A head coach with no previous UND ties would be refreshing 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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