Gameday: F'N Hawks vs Bobcats

[Longtime fan]

33 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

That was painful and completely uncharacteristic of the last two seasons defenses.  Not sure what changed but its crazy how porous they have gotten.  Injuries are only part of the problem.

Defensively speaking...injuries are the only problem.  If UND had Connor and Donnell and Cam and Noah at ILB and Deion and Evan at cb and Andre an Cole at safety they would be one of the top Ds on the fcs.   As it is...nope! 

[gundy1124]

12 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:

Defensively speaking...injuries are the only problem.  If UND had Connor and Donnell and Cam and Noah at ILB and Deion and Evan at cb and Andre an Cole at safety they would be one of the top Ds on the fcs.   As it is...nope! 

I tend to agree with this.  Look back at 2015 linebacking corp.  Labbatt was 240 lbs. Taj was 230 lbs, Ratelle was 255 lbs, Idowu was the small guy at 225 lbs.  With that size you can mix in a change of pace 210 lb flash like Disterhaupt and be really affective doing it.  But to average 205 lbs across all 4 backers, not going to work very well.

[bincitysioux]

Honest question........

Is the strength and conditioning program up to par?  Seems like there are many players in this program that oft injured, undersized, and/or overmatched.

Reyes is injured for the 4th consecutive season.  He's a nice player but is either unlucky or very brittle.

[UND-FB-FAN]

34 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

I tend to agree with this.  Look back at 2015 linebacking corp.  Labbatt was 240 lbs. Taj was 230 lbs, Ratelle was 255 lbs, Idowu was the small guy at 225 lbs.  With that size you can mix in a change of pace 210 lb flash like Disterhaupt and be really affective doing it.  But to average 205 lbs across all 4 backers, not going to work very well.

True ... but why are the backups so undersized? Perhaps Bubba and Schmidt shouldn't recruit players that may take 3 or 4 years to build up to playing weight. I think what we are seeing with the injuries is certainly meaningful, but we are also seeing some major recruiting flaws along the way, also. Need better 2nd string guys to step in and also challange and compete. Schematics with the backup players hasn't blown anyone out of the water, either. 

All in all, the players that UND has received injuries to should not turn UND from the #1 Big Sky Conference team to a team that gets blown out at home. That, my friends, also includes holes in recruiting and piss poor schematics and game management. 

[Siouxfan69]

Ironically we lost our best cornerback, Harris, while doing a pre-fall camp conditioning program.

[Past Sioux]

Nothing has changed with this team.  The offensive coordinator (Rudolph) is really bad.  The defense is certainly beat up but I agree with another poster who talks about the lack of depth.  This is a program with good old Bubba that is recruiting at a JC level to try and win "today", not building for the long haul.  Its amazing that the program South of Grand Forks has built a football program that is superior in every way to the Sioux. Talk all you want about players, injuries......this coaching staff is mediocre at best. 

[Past Sioux]

Oh, and to answer your question about the strength and conditioning program.....it's a joke unless you like to squat, power clean, and snatch. There is no core work, he has RB's and WR's lifting heavy and I think hurting team speed.  There are very few dynamic lifts and very little position specific lifting. 

[iramurphy]

8 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Don't the basers know how to stand up and cheer

 

crist they got free tix

Only an ignorant moron would post this.  It Shows disrespect and a lack of class.  Fat, stupid and an alcoholic is no excuse.  Those who have the courage to serve our country are an important part of the Grand Forks and UND communities.  UND and UND athletics have had great support  from our Air Force personnel and the Base Community for years. Many of them are season ticket holders and donate to UND athletics and other programs. As a former athlete and coach, I and the other athletes and coaches are grateful for their support of UND and their service to our country. We are fortunate these great people are willing to make the sacrifices they do.  The freedom they protect, even allows dumb asses  to spend their  free time in an alcoholic haze bragging about their W-2, and believing anyone in the world gives a rat's ass about their so called GOBC or opinion. This post of his and subsequently mine don't belong on this blog but it pissed me off.

[Frozen4sioux]

ira...

gfhockey is a fake account,

its just some guy making the posts he thinks will be the most opposite of real thought. 

it was funny for awhile a few years ago.

was.

[geaux_sioux]

I wonder what the composition of this game would have been if they refs hadn't blown that offensive P.I. call that took away that TD. I feel like that momentum would have helped the team.

[iramurphy]

7 hours ago, Kap said:

Anybody critical of Studsrud is an idiot. How would their QB doing under Rudolph?

There is no one including Studsrud who isn't responsible for what happened these last two games. Coaches and players. He didn't lose this game for us today. The first drive and TD was what he is capable of.  The phantom offensive interference was a huge play that took away a beautiful TD pass.  On the other hand, the clock management at the end of the half was not what you expect from a senior QB or our coaches. The dropped passes, poor throws, missed assignments, missed blocks, missed tackles  were all part of it.  What we don't need is blaming one or two guys or blaming everyone but Studsrud.  Someone who sees today differently than you isn't necessarily an idiot.  They may be a bit more  objective.

[iramurphy]

6 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

ira...

gfhockey is a fake account,

its just some guy making the posts he thinks will be the most opposite of real thought. 

it was funny for awhile a few years ago.

was.

Thanks.  

[moser53]

4 hours ago, bincitysioux said:

Honest question........

Is the strength and conditioning program up to par?  Seems like there are many players in this program that oft injured, undersized, and/or overmatched.

Reyes is injured for the 4th consecutive season.  He's a nice player but is either unlucky or very brittle.

Do strength coaches go to clinics? No $ in budget  for that or for rings for our athletes. No construction being done on Canpus. Bulldozing is what you see at UND. No $ state is broke. While literally billions being spent at NDSU and around Fargo. No $ are you kidding. While we never question our No. Dak. leaders the good guys.

[gundy1124]

8 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

True ... but why are the backups so undersized? Perhaps Bubba and Schmidt shouldn't recruit players that may take 3 or 4 years to build up to playing weight. I think what we are seeing with the injuries is certainly meaningful, but we are also seeing some major recruiting flaws along the way, also. Need better 2nd string guys to step in and also challange and compete. Schematics with the backup players hasn't blown anyone out of the water, either. 

All in all, the players that UND has received injuries to should not turn UND from the #1 Big Sky Conference team to a team that gets blown out at home. That, my friends, also includes holes in recruiting and piss poor schematics and game management. 

I am with ya-

Cam Hunt, Dijon Murray, I wonder if these guys even exist, never seen them on the field.  I think we overly stacked the d-line and have missed on LBs, I have stated my frustration on this prior.

We might have a fatal flaw with our systems, both O and D are overly complex, on a 1 to 10 scale in college FB we are in the 8-9 range.  Yes, it's hard to believe our offense is complex!!  College football has trended towards simple, mismatches, read plays, get your best player(s) the ball in space while we are flipping 6 guys around pre snap to run a toss play out of pro-I.  On defense, our system can be a work of art but again, so complex at times we mentally bog down, play hesitant, and make it tough for a newby.

Tasty tidbit -   My SU source, told me in one of their Natty games, their D called 3 defensive calls all game, disguised a little and just play.

[geaux_sioux]

49 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

I am with ya-

Cam Hunt, Dijon Murray, I wonder if these guys even exist, never seen them on the field.  I think we overly stacked the d-line and have missed on LBs, I have stated my frustration on this prior.

We might have a fatal flaw with our systems, both O and D are overly complex, on a 1 to 10 scale in college FB we are in the 8-9 range.  Yes, it's hard to believe our offense is complex!!  College football has trended towards simple, mismatches, read plays, get your best player(s) the ball in space while we are flipping 6 guys around pre snap to run a toss play out of pro-I.  On defense, our system can be a work of art but again, so complex at times we mentally bog down, play hesitant, and make it tough for a newby.

Tasty tidbit -   My SU source, told me in one of their Natty games, their D called 3 defensive calls all game, disguised a little and just play.

I remember a couple of years ago Wade Philips talked about how one year he went way too complex with his defense. The next year with basically the same personnel he simplifies everything and they were all of a sudden flying around and dominating. You can't play fast when thinking.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

I am with ya-

Cam Hunt, Dijon Murray, I wonder if these guys even exist, never seen them on the field.  I think we overly stacked the d-line and have missed on LBs, I have stated my frustration on this prior.

We might have a fatal flaw with our systems, both O and D are overly complex, on a 1 to 10 scale in college FB we are in the 8-9 range.  Yes, it's hard to believe our offense is complex!!  College football has trended towards simple, mismatches, read plays, get your best player(s) the ball in space while we are flipping 6 guys around pre snap to run a toss play out of pro-I.  On defense, our system can be a work of art but again, so complex at times we mentally bog down, play hesitant, and make it tough for a newby.

Tasty tidbit -   My SU source, told me in one of their Natty games, their D called 3 defensive calls all game, disguised a little and just play.

Maybe Rudy is too brilliant for the talent at UND..........I hear Sabin might be calling.

To your last point.......pretty easy when you have 11 studs on the field to just say "see ball...find ball" and turn them loose.

[Siouxphan27]

After sleeping on it, I've realized it's time to back away from the ledge; and get a running start.    

[JohnboyND7]

6 hours ago, moser53 said:

Do strength coaches go to clinics? No $ in budget  for that or for rings for our athletes. No construction being done on Canpus. Bulldozing is what you see at UND. No $ state is broke. While literally billions being spent at NDSU and around Fargo. No $ are you kidding. While we never question our No. Dak. leaders the good guys.

What billions are being spent at NDSU?

[moser53]

11 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

What billions are being spent at NDSU?

And around Fargo 

[Oxbow6]

8 minutes ago, moser53 said:

And around Fargo 

What's your point?

[moser53]

46 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

What billions are being spent at NDSU?

Where are they getting all this $. Info in the news. 400 nillion for SU Foundation building projects  200 nillion. Getting close to a billion.

[WiSioux]

7 hours ago, moser53 said:

Do strength coaches go to clinics? No $ in budget  for that or for rings for our athletes. No construction being done on Canpus. Bulldozing is what you see at UND. No $ state is broke. While literally billions being spent at NDSU and around Fargo. No $ are you kidding. While we never question our No. Dak. leaders the good guys.

What are you babbling about?

[SiouxBoys]

17 hours ago, NoDaks said:

Exactly, been through the best and worst of times. Even now when times are tough, I still go. Nothing annoys me more then fans who only support during the good times. 

Careful. Don't want to get ripped on for using the term bandwagon.

[moser53]

12 minutes ago, WiSioux said:

What are you babbling about?

ND7 asked a question I tried to answer it with the best info I could find.

[ksixpack]

I know we have a lot of injuries on D but to me the backups just look too small.  I did a little fact checking to see how our underclassman stack up in size to NDSU's underclassman.  NDSU is the measuring stick, like it or not.  I only calculated DL and LB that are RSFR, FR, and SO.  Here is the result:

NDSU LB's average 6'1" and 213.5 lbs....UND 6-1 3/4" and 204.6 lbs.

NDSU DL averages 6'3" and 257 lbs...UND 6-3 1/3" and 243.3 lbs.

There is an modest size advantage in favor of NDSU.  This is not to say that size is everything...defensive schemes may dictate a different type of player (speed vs size).  I will leave this to others to debate...are we getting the size we desire on defense the last few recruiting years?  Are we recruiting the depth up front on D to be where we need to be?