UND to Summit/MVFC

[darell1976]

23 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

And yet SDSU attendance has averaged almost double UND in 2016. And that's minus our two biggest conference draws, NDSU and UNI.

FYI, we had almost 17,000 for USD. Nope, not a sell out but hey, the rivalry isn't what it used to be. The years off and the fact USD haven't beaten us in years has tempered the excitement. If/when USD become relevant again the crowds will return. They already have in basketball. Where else can you find a crowd of over 9,000 for a Women's basketball game but in South Dakota when SDSU and USD play.

SDSU 15,019 avg 6 games 78% capacity (19,340)

UND 9966 avg 5 games  81% capacity  (12,283) no Montana, no Eastern Washington

[Siouxperfan7]

42 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

And yet SDSU attendance has averaged almost double UND in 2016. And that's minus our two biggest conference draws, NDSU and UNI.

FYI, we had almost 17,000 for USD. Nope, not a sell out but hey, the rivalry isn't what it used to be. The years off and the fact USD haven't beaten us in years has tempered the excitement. If/when USD become relevant again the crowds will return. They already have in basketball. Where else can you find a crowd of over 9,000 for a Women's basketball game but in South Dakota when SDSU and USD play.

Point being, shouldn't be a problem getting tickets there.  That's ok.  Not a problem getting tickets for games at the Alerus as well.

[UNDBIZ]

47 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

SDSU 15,019 avg 6 games 78% capacity (19,340)

UND 9966 avg 5 games  81% capacity  (12,283) no Montana, no Eastern Washington

15,019 - 9,966 = 5,053 / 9,966 = 50.7% greater attendance =/= almost double.

Very surprised.

[darell1976]

11 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

15,019 - 9,966 = 5,053 / 9,966 = 50.7% greater attendance =/= almost double.

Very surprised.

People with bigger capicity stadiums look at the average number while people with smaller capacity stadiums look at capicity percentage. The Alerus was 3% more full than SDSU's stadium.

[mksioux]

12 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

People with bigger capicity stadiums look at the average number while people with smaller capacity stadiums look at capicity percentage. The Alerus was 3% more full than SDSU's stadium.

With all due respect Darrell, why does capacity percentages matter?  The bottom line is that SDSU has way more people attend football games than UND.  If UND consistently sold out the Alerus Center, I could see making that argument (we'd sell more, but we can't fit them in the building), but since UND hasn't sold out a game in years, I don't think capacity really matters. 

[bison73]

23 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

People with bigger capicity stadiums look at the average number while people with smaller capacity stadiums look at capicity percentage. The Alerus was 3% more full than SDSU's stadium.

So you just repackage it to make it sound better. For yourself of course.

[Cratter]

43 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

15,019 - 9,966 = 5,053 / 9,966 = 50.7% greater attendance =/= almost double.

Very surprised.

So your saying the Jack's fan wasn't even close to correct.

[UNDBIZ]

4 minutes ago, Cratter said:

So your saying the Jack's fan wasn't even close to correct.

I could hardly believe it myself.

[darell1976]

27 minutes ago, mksioux said:

With all due respect Darrell, why does capacity percentages matter?  The bottom line is that SDSU has way more people attend football games than UND.  If UND consistently sold out the Alerus Center, I could see making that argument (we'd sell more, but we can't fit them in the building), but since UND hasn't sold out a game in years, I don't think capacity really matters. 

Of course SDSU has a higher attendance due to larger capacity and closer to a huge population (Sioux Falls). Add in playoff success and no real competition (USD hasn't been been competitive against SDSU since maybe the mid 80's) and there's your numbers. UND with its playoff drought (eligible only since 2012), bad coaching, and a rival that's king of the FCS, you will struggle with attendance. Until this year with a 1600 average increase from a year ago, a seeded playoff berth, and a good coach and you can see why our numbers are up and that's counting 1 game less than SDSU ( we had only 5 home games).

[mksioux]

4 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Of course SDSU has a higher attendance due to larger capacity and closer to a huge population (Sioux Falls). Add in playoff success and no real competition (USD hasn't been been competitive against SDSU since maybe the mid 80's) and there's your numbers. UND with its playoff drought (eligible only since 2012), bad coaching, and a rival that's king of the FCS, you will struggle with attendance. Until this year with a 1600 average increase from a year ago, a seeded playoff berth, and a good coach and you can see why our numbers are up and that's counting 1 game less than SDSU ( we had only 5 home games).

A larger capacity only means something if you have the fans to fill the extra seats.  UND's attendance typically doesn't come close to capacity, so capacity doesn't really come in to play when you're comparing UND's attendance numbers against SDSU. 

I guess it matters in the sense that if SDSU had a facility that could only hold 13,000, they'd average fewer fans per game.  But the reverse is not true.  UND wouldn't average more fans if the Alerus had more seats.  Hopefully that will change in the years to come and UND is consistently selling out the Alerus and we were wishing for a venue that had more seats.  

[zonadub]

6 hours ago, iramurphy said:

You make a good point but the counterpoint is how many others will travel to these schools vs how many alumni and fans will attend games in Arizona, California, Colorado, Montana etc.  I think you get a few hundred either way, just a different group. We have made a splash in the Big Sky this year and let's not end the marriage so soon.  The University needs to improve marketing for athletics and for the University.  It will require an investment. We should be looking at charter flight packages for trips to our Big Sky destinations with alumni and fan gatherings at each destination.  Give the fans a chance to interact with the coaches and the kids and develop relationships for the team and staff to meet fans.  Bus trips and charter flights need to be priced to cover costs rather than for UND to make money on the trip. When you know kids and coaches you are more likely to follow the team.  It will take time and money but it can pay off.  I convinced Rob Bollinger to start a golf outing in our community 20 years ago.  We started with 56 players.  Now it is sold out every year and alumni and fans get to speak with our coaches and alumni staff.  We build the relationships that result in donations. It raises about $15,000 per year but the value is reconnecting with Alumni.  One of the local businessmen who never went to UND is now a huge fan and has hosted a UND fundraiser. And donates generously to UND athletics. We need to start thinking outside the box. I see more opportunities in the Big Sky. It also can increase our national footprint better than the MVC and Summit.  We should coordinate these trips with our recruiters from our high school relations dept ( don't know what they call it now). We have people working on making up the budget deficit which by the way is an annual challenge not something new.

I truly hope the administration sees it this way

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Of course SDSU has a higher attendance due to larger capacity and closer to a huge population (Sioux Falls). Add in playoff success and no real competition (USD hasn't been been competitive against SDSU since maybe the mid 80's) and there's your numbers. UND with its playoff drought (eligible only since 2012), bad coaching, and a rival that's king of the FCS, you will struggle with attendance. Until this year with a 1600 average increase from a year ago, a seeded playoff berth, and a good coach and you can see why our numbers are up and that's counting 1 game less than SDSU ( we had only 5 home games).

Brookings is a little under an hour from Sioux Falls.  UND is in a town 2.5x the size is Brookings and is about an hour from Fargo.  

That dog won't hunt. 

 

[UNDBIZ]

45 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Brookings is a little under an hour from Sioux Falls.  UND is in a town 2.5x the size is Brookings and is about an hour from Fargo.  

That dog won't hunt. 

So UND is competing for fans with the 5-time defending FCS champs while SDSU is competing with mediocre D2s.

[JohnboyND7]

Just now, UNDBIZ said:

So UND is competing for fans with the 5-time defending FCS champs while SDSU is competing with mediocre D2s.

And USD.

[Siouxphan27]

Well if we've learned anything from the Attendance thread, it's that the attendance figures are directly correlated to how many people are at the games. 

[SiouxVolley]

33 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Well if we've learned anything from the Attendance thread, it's that the attendance figures are directly correlated to how many people are at the games. 

SDSU has historically charged low prices for football tickets.  Now that may have changed, but the gross is important, and it doesn't show up in the box score.

[JohnboyND7]

51 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

SDSU has historically charged low prices for football tickets.  Now that may have changed, but the gross is important, and it doesn't show up in the box score.

UND 2016-17 Season tickets.  $80-$95. (Excluding donations,  no idea what they require)

SDSU 2016-17 Season tickets.  

$170 regardless of field position, mandatory donations based on location. 

UND tickets for this weekend on ticket master, $22.50 is all I see,  no idea if they have premiums on seats already sold. 

SDSU tickets for Nova this weekend, $37-47 dollars . 

 

 

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

UND 2016-17 Season tickets.  $80-$95. (Excluding donations,  no idea what they require)

SDSU 2016-17 Season tickets.  

$170 regardless of field position, mandatory donations based on location. 

UND tickets for this weekend on ticket master, $22.50 is all I see,  no idea if they have premiums on seats already sold. 

SDSU tickets for Nova this weekend, $37-47 dollars . 

 

 

One huge difference  --- SDSU needs that money to pay the mortgage.

[JohnboyND7]

11 minutes ago, FSSD said:

One huge difference  --- SDSU needs that money to pay the mortgage.

What does that have to do with their attendance relative to UND?  They charge more and get butts in the seats.

[FSSD]

11 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

What does that have to do with their attendance relative to UND?  They charge more and get butts in the seats.

One of the reason they get more butts in the seats is because of the new facility.  That facility comes at a cost.  You can talk butts in the seats all you want, but SDSU needs those butts just to break even.  USD 36 years ago built a dome to get more butts in the seats.  They initially has good success in the early 80's because of the new facility.  But, the mortgage caught up with program and for a period of time the athletic office was cast strapped.  It is one of the big differences between South Dakota and North Dakota programs.  Now, I don't think that SDSU or USD will have similar problems this time because Sanford has shown a willingness to help both schools.  But, mortgage payments are very real for the South Dakota programs.  

[Gothmog]

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 9:56 AM, FSSD said:

One of the reason they get more butts in the seats is because of the new facility.  That facility comes at a cost.  You can talk butts in the seats all you want, but SDSU needs those butts just to break even.  USD 36 years ago built a dome to get more butts in the seats.  They initially has good success in the early 80's because of the new facility.  But, the mortgage caught up with program and for a period of time the athletic office was cast strapped.  It is one of the big differences between South Dakota and North Dakota programs.  Now, I don't think that SDSU or USD will have similar problems this time because Sanford has shown a willingness to help both schools.  But, mortgage payments are very real for the South Dakota programs.  

Again, whether what you're saying is true or not this has nothing to do with a simple comparison of UND and SDSU's football attendance. SDSU's average attendance is much higher than UND's and that can't be explained by stadium size. The reasons for that are undoubtedly complex, and it's certainly possible that UND could reverse it in the future. But for now, there's no way to spin it other than SDSU's football program generates more fan interest than does UND's.

 

[UND-1]

You know what's really funny?  I cannot find SDSU's attendance for the Villanova game anywhere on their site.  I heard it was less than 7,500.  

Can anybody find it?

[homer]

11 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

You know what's really funny?  I cannot find SDSU's attendance for the Villanova game anywhere on their site.  I heard it was less than 7,500.  

Can anybody find it?

6,154 is what is being reported by their Associate AD- Tyler Merriman on his twitter feed.  

[homer]

35 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Again, whether what you're saying is true or not this has nothing to do with a simple comparison of UND and SDSU's football attendance. SDSU's average attendance is much higher than UND's and that can't be explained by stadium size. The reasons for that are undoubtedly complex, and it's certainly possible that UND could reverse it in the future. But for now, there's no way to spin it other than SDSU's football program generates more fan interest than does UND's.

 

We nearly doubled their playoff attendance on Saturday.  Can't really spin that.  

[UND-1]

15 minutes ago, homer said:

6,154 is what is being reported by their Associate AD- Tyler Merriman on his twitter feed.  

Thanks.  LOLOLOL.