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9 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

And both of the playoff teams you beat also had weak schedules. There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team above you, despite your 9-2 record.

Also, don't forget that the last 6-5 MVFC team to make the FCS playoffs actually won its first-round game. Hard to say they didn't belong.

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25 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team above you, despite your 9-2 record.

Because it rewards moral victories? Any system that shows a team that is 5-6 as the 5th best team in nation has some serious kinks in it.

 

11 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Also, don't forget that the last 6-5 MVFC team to make the FCS playoffs actually won its first-round game. Hard to say they didn't belong.

LOL. They beat non-scholarship Dayton (who was #78 out of 125 in the almighty Sagarin rankings)

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7 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Because it rewards moral victories? Any system that shows a team that is 5-6 as the 5th best team in nation has some serious kinks in it.

 

LOL. They beat non-scholarship Dayton (who was #78 out of 125 in the almighty Sagarin rankings)

Are you suggesting that strength of schedule is not important? If so, why are you looking down your nose at WIU beating a 10-1 Dayton team in last year's playoffs?

 

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Just now, Gothmog said:

Are you suggesting that strength of schedule is not important? If so, why are you looking down your nose at WIU beating a 10-1 Dayton team in last year's playoffs?

Strength of schedule is important.  So is winning.  Sagarin apparently doesn't care enough about the latter.

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On 11/19/2016 at 8:45 PM, nodakvindy said:

Right. that would require doing something that is in the best interests of the state and not just themselves, something NDSU and Fargo have shown little willingness to do.

Only here and ND would it be considered a bad thing to elevate your schools enrollment, academics and  athletics.  Usually a rising tide lifts all ships except ND.  :lol:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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1 hour ago, Gothmog said:

The Sagarin ratings are predictive of actual outcomes.

No, it cares about being "close enough". At some point, you are what your record says you are, even when you take into account strength of opponents. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I feel pretty comfortable that you're there at least by the end of the season. Outside of moral victories, give me a logical explanation why Sagarin's 5th rated FCS team has 6 FCS losses.

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1 minute ago, jdub27 said:

No, it cares about being "close enough". At some point, you are what your record says you are, which includes taking into account opponents. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I feel pretty comfortable that you're there at least by the end of the season when you have 6 FCS losses, but I guess not.

OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? 

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4 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? 

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11 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? 

Flip that inside out: Win 5, get decimated, lose 6. What's that say? 

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2 hours ago, Gothmog said:

I would think you  to stay in a league were you could get a #7 seed by playing only one ranked team.

You're joking right - look at the past 5 years and how easy it has been for SU to make the NCAA tourny in a variety of sports because of weak competition within the conference. Also there were several teams the football team played this year that were ranked when we played them - we beat them and they moved down out of the rankings - cause/effect. 

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20 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? 

They didn't, so what is the relevancy?

UND was 7-1 last year when Studsrud started and finished games and 0-3 when he was injured during the game or didn't play. On top of that, they were without their All-American safety for a few of those games. That didn't seem to matter to the committee.

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