President Kennedy Message on Athletics

[homer]

1 minute ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Because Faison controls the market, right? Do you have any idea how economics works? Supply and demand? There are >300 D1 men's basketball programs cranking out well over 1000 grads per year, all of whom are presumably qualified to be a paid (admittedly, lowly) assistant at a D1 school. Not to mention thousands upon thousands of lower division players. That's a new crop of hungry-for-experience coaching meat IN ADDITION TO the existing pool of candidates, every year.  Does anyone believe that the competition for college hockey coaches - particularly on the women's side - even approaches that level?

Moreover, your selected data without reference to market factors such as league/regional averages, years of experience, etc. is completely meaningless.

This is at least the second post criticizing BF because the total line item budget for (poster's less preferred sport) is higher than the total line item budget for (poster's more preferred sport), oblivious to the simple and obvious fact that some sports just cost more to play. When did sports fans become such socialists?

If you want to say that the MBB assistants are underpaid, fine. We can gather some data and have that discussion. But don't lazily shovel that crap on the WH program with nothing to back it up.

So results don't matter?  We just pay because "that's what the market says we should pay".  I'd make the same argument for men's basketball and am glad Faison didn't extend his contract "because the market says we should".  

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

6 minutes ago, homer said:

So results don't matter?  We just pay because "that's what the market says we should pay".  I'd make the same argument for men's basketball and am glad Faison didn't extend his contract "because the market says we should".  

You'll note that I did not advocate for keeping any coach or assistant. But you damn well cannot ignore the market when it comes time to hire their replacements. And to anyone who thinks that aggregate MBB coaching salaries need to exceed aggregate WH coaching salaries "just because," you'll need to come up with something better to persuade people who are willing to look beyond the blood lust and rhetoric and who are cognizant of life in the real world.

[Shawn-O]

11 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Because Faison controls the market, right? Do you have any idea how economics works? Supply and demand? There are >300 D1 men's basketball programs cranking out well over 1000 grads per year, all of whom are presumably qualified to be a paid (admittedly, lowly) assistant at a D1 school. Not to mention thousands upon thousands of lower division players. That's a new crop of hungry-for-experience coaching meat IN ADDITION TO the existing pool of candidates, every year.  Does anyone believe that the competition for college hockey coaches - particularly on the women's side - even approaches that level?

Moreover, your selected data without reference to market factors such as league/regional averages, years of experience, etc. is completely meaningless.

This is at least the second post criticizing BF because the total line item budget for (poster's less preferred sport) is higher than the total line item budget for (poster's more preferred sport), oblivious to the simple and obvious fact that some sports just cost more to play. When did sports fans become such socialists?

If you want to say that the MBB assistants are underpaid, fine. We can gather some data and have that discussion. But don't lazily shovel that crap on the WH program with nothing to back it up.

I understand the economics of 500 fans per game. That's the market talking. We continue to sink $1M+ into an investment with no hope of a return, now or ever.  

[Kab]

So we have budget issues and not have any representation from the college of business or law school but is loaded with aerospace and medical school reps.

i would have thought the AD and president could have hammered this out

 

[Oxbow6]

Ms. Kenville must have also served on one or more of the committees in the nickname fiasco too but I'm thankful she is the chairwoman of the IAC. 

 

#letsmovebacktoD2

[Cratter]

Chair of the committee asked about going back to division 2....this president Kennedy guy is making quite a name for himself in a small amount of time.

[dakotadan]

1 hour ago, Shawn-O said:

We continue to sink $1M+ into an investment with no hope of a return, now or ever.  

That's a pretty ignorant statement. 

[UNDBIZ]

1 hour ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Because Faison controls the market, right? Do you have any idea how economics works? Supply and demand? There are >300 D1 men's basketball programs cranking out well over 1000 grads per year, all of whom are presumably qualified to be a paid (admittedly, lowly) assistant at a D1 school. Not to mention thousands upon thousands of lower division players. That's a new crop of hungry-for-experience coaching meat IN ADDITION TO the existing pool of candidates, every year.  Does anyone believe that the competition for college hockey coaches - particularly on the women's side - even approaches that level?

Moreover, your selected data without reference to market factors such as league/regional averages, years of experience, etc. is completely meaningless.

This is at least the second post criticizing BF because the total line item budget for (poster's less preferred sport) is higher than the total line item budget for (poster's more preferred sport), oblivious to the simple and obvious fact that some sports just cost more to play. When did sports fans become such socialists?

If you want to say that the MBB assistants are underpaid, fine. We can gather some data and have that discussion. But don't lazily shovel that crap on the WH program with nothing to back it up.

Do you actually believe the garbage you spew? UND MBB is poorly coached and one can look at the salaries being around half that of our peers as a good indicator of why. If we cut the women's hockey coach's pay what's that coach gonna do? Leave to coach a high school girls team? Would anyone care if he did?UND has been ignoring the market on basketball for a while now. Life in the real world includes cutting (or reducing) huge money losers that have little to no potential to improve. 

[UNDBIZ]

7 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Chair of the committee asked about going back to division 2....this president Kennedy is making quite a name for himself in a small time.

He didn't appoint her as chair. But yes, if he had any faith in the athletic department he should have put the responsibility for the future of the department with them. 

[Csonked Out]

13 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Chair of the committee asked about going back to division 2....this president Kennedy guy is making quite a name for himself in a small amount of time.

If we are only going to do this once during his tenure, I have no problem with throwing all the options out on the table.

To me one of the following 3 things will happen that I classify as major:

1) Women's Hockey is dropped

2) Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving, Softball, and Women's Soccer all get the axe

3) We switch conference affiliation

Personally, I don't think we switch conferences as there is a lot of value in being in a strong and stable conference that offers football along with the rest of our core sports. The Big Sky also fits our school from an academic standpoint. 

Right now my gut says option 2 is probably what will happen but only time will tell.

[Kab]

When will we get the costs and revenues of each sport

[Cratter]

Just now, UNDBIZ said:

He didn't appoint her as chair. But yes, if he had any faith in the athletic department he should have put the responsibility for the future of the department with them. 

As the president he asked for the committee. He decides who decides who's on that committee. 

Here's a crazy thought. The athletic department doesn't even need to make any cuts. It's just a front.

They could transfer "institutional funds" like they have been doing for years.

[gfhockey]

Kennedy better tread lightly. Don't want his term to be a cloud like Kelleys was 

[Oxbow6]

6 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

He didn't appoint her as chair. But yes, if he had any faith in the athletic department he should have put the responsibility for the future of the department with them. 

Rock paper scissors to decide chair......I wouldn't be surprised.

[SIOUXFAN97]

where are leaders like tom clifford these days...i can't believe this crap

[Oxbow6]

Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:

where are leaders like tom clifford these days...i can't believe this crap

Exactly.......Clifford was king.

[Csonked Out]

1 hour ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Because Faison controls the market, right? Do you have any idea how economics works? Supply and demand? There are >300 D1 men's basketball programs cranking out well over 1000 grads per year, all of whom are presumably qualified to be a paid (admittedly, lowly) assistant at a D1 school. Not to mention thousands upon thousands of lower division players. That's a new crop of hungry-for-experience coaching meat IN ADDITION TO the existing pool of candidates, every year.  Does anyone believe that the competition for college hockey coaches - particularly on the women's side - even approaches that level?

Moreover, your selected data without reference to market factors such as league/regional averages, years of experience, etc. is completely meaningless.

This is at least the second post criticizing BF because the total line item budget for (poster's less preferred sport) is higher than the total line item budget for (poster's more preferred sport), oblivious to the simple and obvious fact that some sports just cost more to play. When did sports fans become such socialists?

If you want to say that the MBB assistants are underpaid, fine. We can gather some data and have that discussion. But don't lazily shovel that crap on the WH program with nothing to back it up.

When you compare the salaries of our core sports to that of the college 75 miles south, it is almost laughable. If we want to be competitive with sports like Basketball and football, then we need to offer competitive wage. Cut the non-core sports and let us properly fund some of these programs. 

I would rather have fewer sports with more success as opposed to more sport while struggling to get to a .500 record year after year. 

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, Csonked Out said:

If we are only going to do this once during his tenure, I have no problem with throwing all the options out on the table.

To me one of the following 3 things will happen that I classify as major:

1) Women's Hockey is dropped

2) Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving, Softball, and Women's Soccer all get the axe

3) We switch conference affiliation

Personally, I don't think we switch conferences as there is a lot of value in being in a strong and stable conference that offers football along with the rest of our core sports. The Big Sky also fits our school from an academic standpoint. 

Right now my gut says option 2 is probably what will happen but only time will tell.

It probably could only happen once. Probably be at or very close to the minimum number of sports a school has to offer.

Oh boy then there will be no "savings account" like there is now by cutting sports....what would UND do? 

Increase student fees?

Cut Scholarships? (Was it golf or baseball that had one or two scholarships?)

Cut FCOA?

 

[gfhockey]

Maybe we could bring bunning back lol to fix the budget instead of a yes man like faison 

[nd1sufan]

8 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

He didn't appoint her as chair. But yes, if he had any faith in the athletic department he should have put the responsibility for the future of the department with them. 

Would you put faith in the financial responsibility of an Athletic Director running a million dollar plus deficit tha commits to close to another million dollar expense in FCOA the day after a rival announces they are going to provide FCOA without any plan of how to pay for it? He went on the radio and admitted he didn't know how they were going to pay fot it. Not very fiscally responsible. 

[Oxbow6]

Just now, gfhockey said:

Maybe we could bring bunning back lol to fix the budget instead of a yes man like faison 

Only if he does a push-up for every dollar saved with his budget fix!

[UNDBIZ]

9 minutes ago, Cratter said:

As the president he asked for the committee. He decides who decides who's on that committee. 

Here's a crazy thought. The athletic department doesn't even need to make any cuts. It's just a front.

They could transfer "institutional funds" like they have been doing for years.

The committee has existed for years. Faculty reps are chosen by the university senate. 

http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=205751736

[Kab]

Option 2 looks the best

who wants to play schools from Indiana we have never heard of

also if you aren't moving ahead you are going backwards, increase revenue, put more butts in the seats, is called marketing

that would be a novel idea, someone from the school of marketing getting involved

[Csonked Out]

4 minutes ago, Cratter said:

It probably could also happen once. Probably be at or very close to the minimum number of sports a school has to offer.

Oh boy then there will be no "savings account" like there is now by cutting sports....what would UND do? 

Increase student fees?

Cut Scholarships? (Was it golf or baseball that had one or two scholarships?)

Cut FCOA?

 

Quite frankly, we shouldn't have done FCOA right away. You don't commit that type of money just because your neighbors did. 

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Would you put faith in the financial responsibility of an Athletic Director running a million dollar plus deficit

The lack of faith in the AD was somewhat implied in my post. If there's no faith there, he should no longer be the AD.