scpa0305 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 http://www.bcinterruption.com/2016/3/23/11289772/notre-dames-exit-a-chance-for-hockey-east-to-fix-mistakes-and-get-it I guess the NCHC was missing the "name brand" aspect. Ha. Quote
Yote 53 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 No way UNO gets an affiliate membership in the BTHC. Big Bother UN-L will put a stop to that. Having UNO in any way affiliated with the Big Ten dilutes the conference brand and puts UNO on the same footing as UN-L. UNO in the BTHC would also pose a barrier if UN-L were ever to decide it wants to field a D1 hockey team (which I have been told by people down there that it is going to happen soon). UN-L would not be happy sharing the same conference affiliation as little bro UNO. Besides UNO is still a majority commuting school, is not a major research university, or even very well endowed. No way they pass the test for affiliation with the BIG. Everything I just pointed out for UNO can also apply to UMD. No way Goldy is going to share anything Big Ten with an in-state little brother school. Quote
siouxkid12 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Benny Baker said: I have to completely agree with Cratter and UNDBIZ. Hindsight is 20/20, but why didn't the WCHA just add Miami and WMU to replace Minnesota and Wisconsin. The addition of Bemidji and Mankato to the NCHC would effectively put UND back into the WCHA except without the conference's prestigious 50+ year history, the McNaughton Cup, etc. I cringed when St. Cloud was added, not because they cannot compete in college hockey, but because it confirmed that the idea behind the "NATIONAL" had already been curbed back from its original intention. And since when has Bemidji had recent success? (Please don't reply with the "but 10 years ago when Bemidji was in College Hockey America" type of arguments. I don't care that they beat up on Wayne State and Findley University to get into the NCAAs). Bemidji's 17-16-6 record this season is the first time they finished over .500 since moving to the WCHA six years ago. Maybe they'll continue their success and be two games above .500 next season! Why don't you cringe when WMU was added to the conference? Sure they may be D1 across the board but they have no history in hockey, at least Bemidji State can say they have reached past the 2nd round of the tournament and made it to the Frozen Four. 1 Quote
farce poobah Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 As much as I loved the old WCHA, its clear with hindsight that creating the NCHC - with like-minded schools - was a large step forward. It seems clear that adding too many teams from the current WCHA would be a step backward. Look at the differences between the NCHC and WCHA that have emerged in recent years, and you get a clearer sense of why the league needed to break up: * NCHC adopted a 24 game schedule. WCHA stayed with a 28 game schedule (same as the old WCHA). The NCHC has more nonconference games, and by winning a majority of those, build an RPI advantage for the whole league that puts prestige and more teams in the NCAA. In turn that leads to more money. There were clearly arguments in the old WCHA about this, and it was a major cause of the fracture. * An NHL mentality pervades the NCHC. WCHA hugs the past. NCHC is adapting and changing - 3x3 overtime, shootouts - in ways that make the league more attractive to better recruits. "We're preparing you for the next level" is more than just marketing hype. This is another area where I am sure the arguments raged in the old WCHA, and the events since make it clear who wanted to modernize. * Refereeing. I watched several WCHA games this year, and was astounded at how much old style interference and stickwork were tolerated. Not that the NCHC goes as far as I would like toward NHL standards, but the WCHA is once again stuck in the past. While I miss a few of the old rivalries, its clear that UND Athletics chose (created) a path that would offer greater success than staying affiliated with small minded schools that were stuck in the past. /End Rant =========================== As it relates to Arizona State, if they joined the NCHC I'd be thrilled. But the odds now heavily favor a move to the Big Integer. An ongoing source of discontent is having Bowling Green, Western Michigan and Miami in different leagues. They are conference pals in the MAC. If BGSU is committed to hockey (perhaps still a question) then they would be a good add to the NCHC. Otherwise, until NCHC adds BGSU, WMU and Miami are flight risks. It's this flight risk that forced/motivated the NCHC to add St Cloud, preserving the NCHC autobid if Miami and WMU left. Sorry for rambling. 3 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 School - Enrollment - Endowment - Primary Athletic Division UND - 15k - $230M - DI WMU - 24k - $320M - DI UMD - 10k - $130M - DII DU - 12k - $467M - DI CC - 2k - $680M - DIII UNO - 15k - ? - DI Miami - 24k - $460M - DI SCSU - 15k - $23M - DII Mankato - 18k - $50M - DII Bemidji State - 6k - $11M - DII Which schools should UND associate itself with? For comparison purposes, Dickinson State has an endowment of $9M. 3 Quote
Popular Post The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 23, 2016 Folks, if the Big Ten calls, you answer. The jump by Notre Dame affirms that. Notre. Dame. Jumped. Notre Dame left Hockey East for Big Ten Hockey. Get it? Now, if the Big Ten goes to eight, who? Omaha? UN-Lincoln won't go for that, even as their surrogate. Denver? Miami? Folks, USCHO broke the "Notre Dame to Big Ten" story. I guess that tells me they have insights worth listening to, such as ... Quote An NCHC team might fit in the Big Ten But if the league does try to add one more team, would a school like Omaha or Denver or North Dakota fit better into the Big Ten’s future? Perhaps. Now that the door has been opened for affiliate membership in the Big Ten, any number of schools could make a case for being a good fit. But NCHC schools might form the most likely group from which the Big Ten would pick. From a fan standpoint, schools could stand to gain in attendance from resuming more regular series against teams their followers knew for years before the conference split. North Dakota would be a coup for the Big Ten in terms of answering some of the loudest fan complaints and putting back together the league rivalries with Minnesota and Wisconsin, but we’re getting way ahead of ourselves here. Read more: http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press-box/2016/03/23/with-notre-dames-move-to-the-big-ten-the-conference-arms-race-is-back-on/#ixzz43ku77I3n I'm going to say the eastern* Big Ten got their team. Notre Dame fills barns in Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Happy Valley, and Columbus. What in the west is the best hope to fill Minnesota's and Wisconsin's not at capacity arenas? There's one answer and USCHO says it above. Arizona State can have UND's slot in the NCHC (and I'm pretty sure DU and CC wouldn't be all that upset). If the Big Ten calls, you answer. *Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Penn St 10 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 For those of you still in need of convincing, let me repost one phrase from the USCHO story: North Dakota would be a coup for the Big Ten ... Yes, that says that North Dakota would be a "a notable or successful stroke or move" should the Big Ten get the Fighting Sio Hawks. Never thought I'd see USCHO say some thing that nice about North Dakota. Quote
Benny Baker Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 54 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: Why don't you cringe when WMU was added to the conference? Sure they may be D1 across the board but they have no history in hockey, at least Bemidji State can say they have reached past the 2nd round of the tournament and made it to the Frozen Four. Can you find my post where I said I was excited about WMU joining the NCHC, that WMU was a good fit because they're DI across the board, or that they have a long history in hockey? Nope, neither can I. Yup, that Bemidji team from 8 years really tore through its CHA competition to reach the NCAA tournament with an astounding 18-15-1 record! So much recent success, though, right? Right? right . . . ? Quote
SJHovey Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Folks, if the Big Ten calls, you answer. The jump by Notre Dame affirms that. Notre. Dame. Jumped. Notre Dame left Hockey East for Big Ten Hockey. Get it? Now, if the Big Ten goes to eight, who? Omaha? UN-Lincoln won't go for that, even as their surrogate. Denver? Miami? Folks, USCHO broke the "Notre Dame to Big Ten" story. I guess that tells me they have insights worth listening to, such as ... Read more: http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press-box/2016/03/23/with-notre-dames-move-to-the-big-ten-the-conference-arms-race-is-back-on/#ixzz43ku77I3n I'm going to say the eastern* Big Ten got their team. Notre Dame fills barns in Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Happy Valley, and Columbus. What in the west is the best hope to fill Minnesota's and Wisconsin's not at capacity arenas? There's one answer and USCHO says it above. Arizona State can have UND's slot in the NCHC (and I'm pretty sure DU and CC wouldn't be all that upset). If the Big Ten calls, you answer. *Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Penn St Anyone who thinks the B1G is going to call UND is kidding themselves. It's ASU, people. This isn't rocket science. There is a huge, nationally known university with a hockey program that needs a conference home. If I had to guess, the ASU decision actually preceded the Notre Dame discussions. That is, the B1G reached a decision to offer ASU a spot, with ASU basically verbally agreeing, subject to final agreements in place, and then discussions opened with Notre Dame, who was only too happy to get out of HE. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, SJHovey said: Anyone who thinks the B1G is going to call UND is kidding themselves. I agree with you, but to see USCHO make a reasonable (I stopped short of compelling) argument for UND to the Big Ten is noteworthy. 2 Quote
Benny Baker Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I agree with you, but to see USCHO make a reasonable (I stopped short of compelling) argument for UND to the Big Ten is noteworthy. But then how would Lucia ensure the North Dakota/Minnesota rivalry stays "cooled off"!?!?! 3 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Benny Baker said: But then how would Lucia ensure the North Dakota/Minnesota rivalry stays "cooled off"!?!?! Don will be sitting with Mike Eaves doing intermission analysis in the BTN studios by then. 3 Quote
Benny Baker Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, The Sicatoka said: Don will be sitting with Mike Eaves doing intermission analysis in the BTN studios by then. Haha, well played. Quote
NewUNDAlum Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 I still don't think its a great chance UND gets a call to become an affiliate but the faucet now has a subtle drip. Whether or not people like it, if the B1G offers we will take it. We'd be stupid not to. Plus UND offers more than Arizona State in the current situation: Fan Base UND >>> ASU Tradition UND >>>>> ASU Talent UND >>>>> ASU Proximity UND >>>> ASU Established Rivalries UND >>>>> ASU Facilities UND >>>> ASU Weather UND <<<<<<<<<< ASU I put the chances of a UND B1G offer at about 20%. 1 Quote
Fetch Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 HEY I ALREADY SAID NO TO THE PIG 10 WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT ANY MORE NO To the goophers we don't need them ASU needs a weak league to feel bettter then go to the pig10 2 Quote
Nodaker Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Folks, if the Big Ten calls, you answer. The jump by Notre Dame affirms that. Notre. Dame. Jumped. Notre Dame left Hockey East for Big Ten Hockey. Get it? Now, if the Big Ten goes to eight, who? Omaha? UN-Lincoln won't go for that, even as their surrogate. Denver? Miami? Folks, USCHO broke the "Notre Dame to Big Ten" story. I guess that tells me they have insights worth listening to, such as ... Read more: http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press-box/2016/03/23/with-notre-dames-move-to-the-big-ten-the-conference-arms-race-is-back-on/#ixzz43ku77I3n I'm going to say the eastern* Big Ten got their team. Notre Dame fills barns in Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Happy Valley, and Columbus. What in the west is the best hope to fill Minnesota's and Wisconsin's not at capacity arenas? There's one answer and USCHO says it above. Arizona State can have UND's slot in the NCHC (and I'm pretty sure DU and CC wouldn't be all that upset). If the Big Ten calls, you answer. *Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Penn St That sounds like they need us. I thought they said we need them? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, NewUNDAlum said: I put the chances of a UND B1G offer at about 20%. You're high .... numerically, not chemically. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 45 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Arizona State can have UND's slot in the NCHC (and I'm pretty sure DU and CC wouldn't be all that upset). If the Big Ten calls, you answer. Hey, I'm just looking out for CC. Let ASU have the NCHC 8-hole for a while. Quote
dmksioux Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, SJHovey said: Anyone who thinks the B1G is going to call UND is kidding themselves. It's ASU, people. This isn't rocket science. There is a huge, nationally known university with a hockey program that needs a conference home. If I had to guess, the ASU decision actually preceded the Notre Dame discussions. That is, the B1G reached a decision to offer ASU a spot, with ASU basically verbally agreeing, subject to final agreements in place, and then discussions opened with Notre Dame, who was only too happy to get out of HE. I agree. It would be great to go to the B1G, but I have to believe UND is pretty far down the list for who gets the 8th spot... Quote
Popular Post UNDvince97-01 Posted March 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 23, 2016 If this is about hockey and strengthening their weaknesses, the Big 10 should definitely call UND for an affiliate membership and we would be stupid not to take it. It makes a ton of sense for both sides. However, like others here are saying, I do not believe they have not reached out to UND, nor will they. As others here have also said, all signs point to ASU unfortunately. 6 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, NewUNDAlum said: I still don't think its a great chance UND gets a call to become an affiliate but the faucet now has a subtle drip. Whether or not people like it, if the B1G offers we will take it. We'd be stupid not to. Plus UND offers more than Arizona State in the current situation: Fan Base UND >>> ASU Tradition UND >>>>> ASU Talent UND >>>>> ASU Proximity UND >>>> ASU Established Rivalries UND >>>>> ASU Facilities UND >>>> ASU Weather UND <<<<<<<<<< ASU I put the chances of a UND B1G offer at about 20%. You missed one or two: Restoration of lost fan interest Annual anticipation for ____ to come to town Some won't admit it, but the energy in the UMn and UWi programs right now just isn't what it was. 3 Quote
petey23 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said: Why don't you cringe when WMU was added to the conference? Sure they may be D1 across the board but they have no history in hockey, at least Bemidji State can say they have reached past the 2nd round of the tournament and made it to the Frozen Four. Financial commitment. Quote
siouxkid12 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, petey23 said: Financial commitment. The financial commitment is there for BSU as with Mankato, so you can throw that theory out the window. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 48 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: The financial commitment is there for BSU as with Mankato, so you can throw that theory out the window. Hockey fans don't make conference choices, Presidents do on reasons like academics, endowment, research, media reach, professional schools etc. Mankato will only get a call if Miami and W Mich leave and the NCHC needs someone to pair with UNLV. Quote
petey23 Posted March 23, 2016 Posted March 23, 2016 53 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: The financial commitment is there for BSU as with Mankato, so you can throw that theory out the window. This was part of the reason that UND and DU looked to form the NCHC because they had lost the voting block in the WCHA with Wisconsin and Minnesota leaving. There are other financial factors in a league besides scholarship commitment such as advertising, marketing, league staff salaries, etc......so you can close the window. 1 Quote
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