Cratter Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 SiouxFootballInsider @SiouxFootball 3m3 minutes agoShocked, shocked I say, that the rules were changed to allow 'Nodaks' into the final 2, I mean 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) If voting is kept at three and no majority is needed, Fighting Hawks is almost assured of a victory. I'm sick. Could have lived with NoDaks, loved RR, but not to be a dumb bird like everyone else is.The Sundogs and North Stars votes would almost all have to go for RR or NoDaks Forrest those to win.It should be a final two, which is what Kelley promised. Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is a reach at best.This switcharoo will damage UND's reputation with alumni. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This switcharoo will damage UND's reputation with donors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It is really hard to believe that anybody is trying to rig the vote by adding a third choice. I'm sure the conversation was: there is no statistical difference between 2 and 3 so let's include both. Not - I bet we can swing the final vote to __________ if we include three options.I guess this kills the talk that the fix was in for North Stars.Then that should have been foreseen before they made the rules. They could have said there could be up to 5 names in a vote off if they all fall within a margin of error. The fact they didn't cover all bases when they had already pissed many people off beyond belief, well, is just beyond belief! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Dr. Kelley needs to step back and follow the process he defined and just go with two. Otherwise how are we to not believe that he'll change the rules again this round? He needs to maintain the integrity of his own process. There's something you don't read every day: The words "Dr. Kelley" and "integrity" being used in the same conversation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Kelley came to his senses and followed the process (committee recommendations) before. He must follow the process, HIS process, again or he's clearly open to the criticism that he's manipulating the outcome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think they should have a vote on the 3 names and then have another vote between the final 2(unless that isn't the 2 they wanted) then they can decide what to do then. I didn't think they could screw up the voting process but they have. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The student voice wins. Not that the students shouldn't participate, but the alumni are divided by NoDaks and Roughriders, so their voice is essentially divided and is not heard.Kelley needs to make a third vote if no nickname gets a majority, like he agreed before.Kelley is such a joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Or Vs. Vs. Yes, I know only the interlocked ND is owned by UND but the others can be modified. Edited October 26, 2015 by dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The student voice wins. Not that the students shouldn't participate, but the alumni are divided by NoDaks and Roughriders, so their voice is essentially divided and is not heard.Kelley needs to make a third vote if no nickname gets a majority, like he agreed before.Kelley is such a joke.With all due respect, I'd like to see the voting breakdown before I start throwing stones at the student-block of Fighting Hawk fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Cubs lost the best of 7 series so we'll now play a best of 11 series. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) With all due respect, I'd like to see the voting breakdown before I start throwing stones at the student-block of Fighting Hawk fans. Well that block of Fighting Hawk voters wasn't here, which is mainly alumni.Where did it come from?SunDogs came from mainly the faculty. May as well just let the students vote. Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 However Kelley wants to continue to ____ this up is fine with me as long as the new nickname receives 50+% of the vote at some point. How Kelley has really handled this is not fine with me................just clarifying in case someone was wondering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well that block of Fighting Hawk voters wasn't here, which is mainly alumni.Where did it come from?SunDogs came from mainly the faculty.SiouxSports.com is a very, very small sampling of eligible voters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 We need to demand the process that was defined be followed. Tell him. robert.kelley@und.edu 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Cubs lost the best of 7 series so we'll now play a best of 11 series.Well, if it keeps the Mets out of the World Series, I vote "aye." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) SiouxSports.com is a very, very small sampling of eligible voters.I'm sure you realize that a Gallop poll is too. But it's still accurate +/- 3%. What missing is that Siouxsports is not representative of all voters, just the informed ones. Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NDinCO Posted October 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is getting (more) ridiculous.Nothing against NoDaks per se, but you just can't change the rules midstream after announcing the process. You JUST CANT DO IT. You have just lost the VERY small amount of credibility your had left. You should eliminate the bottom 3 like you said (I don't pretend to know how that would impact the final vote).I have never been a conspiracy theorist (JFK, 9/11, Area 54, etc), but this stinks. Starting with the trumped up final 5, now this. Why is Kelley even allowed near this process - HE'S ON HIS WAY OUT!! He shouldn't be allowed near as he this impacts his 'legacy' and therefore will only do what he thinks is best for him or the PC crowd, I know truly believe that - never have before. Why not just announce what the 'higher ups' want and end this DOG-AND-PONY show. So if Hawks wins, so be it. Get ready for some HAWKY! But congratulations UND on settling on becoming a GENERIC MILK CARTON (that should be your logo). Full disclosure, I voted for RR - at least some imagination and flair, any of the other 4 have that. But if want to become a lion or tiger or bear... 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I believe this is an underhanded, sneaky attempt to stop Roughriders from winning. I also think Kelley wants Fighting Hawks to win so that the consultant they hired looks like a good investment. Finally, putting Nodaks on the final ballot is throwing a bone to the Fighting Sioux Hardliners and the Hockey-Only crowd so they couldn't scream "conspiracy".I don't agree with you often, fs4l, but after mulling this over a bit, I think you might be onto something here. Kelley has effectively made about 5,000 Nodaks voters happy while at the same time, ensuring that those "eliminated" votes now don't swing over to Rough Riders and pole-vault that choice to victory. Consultants look like geniuses, Kelley doesn't have to worry about those nasty Indian comments from Teddy Roosevelt coming to the surface, win-win for everyone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm sure you realize that a Gallop poll is too. But it's still accurate +/- 3%. What missing is that Siouxsports is not representative of all voters, just the informed ones.So now a sampling of voters here is akin to a Gallup poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Hockey Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This just keeps getting worse.....Leadership, integrity?Fire Kelley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) What is the traditional margin of error needed before a recount in an election? It seems to me over 100 votes is a lot for how many votes were cast between Roughriders and Nodaks. The question needs to be asked where was he going to draw the line. Kelley just continues to cause dissent in the UND fan and Alumni base by his lack of foresight. Edited October 26, 2015 by tnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodacker Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is a unique situation that quite frankly needs to be flexible. I want a nickname that everyone wants and accommodating that by allowing 3 finalist because 2 were essentially tied is only practical. I think the winner needs to have 50 percent of the vote so I hope that there is a third if the November 2nd vote doesn't get that. And I thought sundogs was the establishment choice? Or is the establishment choice any that siouxsports.com doesn't agree with? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 this is pretty big of you to say. I don't know if I would say Id say the same had the roles been flippedthanks ericpnelson. I respect the original process laid out for the voting. Not following the plan just adds another level of frustration and skepticism for the passionate fans/alumni/donors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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