And then there were three....

[Cratter]

SiouxFootballInsider ‏@SiouxFootball  3m3 minutes ago

Shocked, shocked I say, that the rules were changed to allow 'Nodaks' into the final 2, I mean 3.

[SiouxVolley]

If voting is kept at three and no majority is needed, Fighting Hawks is almost assured of a victory.  

I'm sick.  Could have lived with NoDaks, loved RR, but not to be a dumb bird like everyone else is.

The Sundogs and North Stars votes would almost all have to go for RR or NoDaks Forrest those to win.

It should be a final two, which is what Kelley promised.

Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Cratter]

This is a reach at best.

This switcharoo will damage UND's reputation with alumni.

[SIOUXFAN97]

This switcharoo will damage UND's reputation with donors.

[tnt]

It is really hard to believe that anybody is trying to rig the vote by adding a third choice.  I'm sure the conversation was:  there is no statistical difference between 2 and 3 so let's include both.  Not - I bet we can swing the final vote to __________  if we include three options.

I guess this kills the talk that the fix was in for North Stars.

Then that should have been foreseen before they made the rules.  They could have said there could be up to 5 names in a vote off if they all fall within a margin of error.  The fact they didn't cover all bases when they had already pissed many people off beyond belief, well, is just beyond belief!

[MafiaMan]

Dr. Kelley needs to step back and follow the process he defined and just go with two. 

Otherwise how are we to not believe that he'll change the rules again this round? 

He needs to maintain the integrity of his own process. 

There's something you don't read every day:  The words "Dr. Kelley" and "integrity"  being used in the same conversation.

[The Sicatoka]

Kelley came to his senses and followed the process (committee recommendations) before. 

He must follow the process, HIS process, again or he's clearly open to the criticism that he's manipulating the outcome. 

[Dagger]

I think they should have a vote on the 3 names and then have another vote between the final 2(unless that isn't the 2 they wanted) then they can decide what to do then.  I didn't think they could screw up the voting process but they have.

[SiouxVolley]

The student voice wins.  Not that the students shouldn't participate, but the alumni are divided by NoDaks and Roughriders, so their voice is essentially divided and is not heard.

Kelley needs to make a third vote if no nickname gets a majority, like he agreed before.

Kelley is such a joke.

[zonadub]

  Or

  Vs.

  Vs.

 

Yes, I know only the interlocked ND is owned by UND but the others can be modified.

Edited October 26, 2015 by dakota

[MafiaMan]

The student voice wins.  Not that the students shouldn't participate, but the alumni are divided by NoDaks and Roughriders, so their voice is essentially divided and is not heard.

Kelley needs to make a third vote if no nickname gets a majority, like he agreed before.

Kelley is such a joke.

With all due respect, I'd like to see the voting breakdown before I start throwing stones at the student-block of Fighting Hawk fans.  

[Cratter]

The Cubs lost the best of 7 series so we'll now play a best of 11 series.

[SiouxVolley]

With all due respect, I'd like to see the voting breakdown before I start throwing stones at the student-block of Fighting Hawk fans.  

Well that block of Fighting Hawk voters wasn't here, which is mainly alumni.

Where did it come from?

SunDogs came from mainly the faculty.

 

May as well just let the students vote.

Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Oxbow6]

However Kelley wants to continue to ____ this up is fine with me as long as the new nickname receives 50+% of the vote at some point.

 

 

 

How Kelley has really handled this is not fine with me................just clarifying in case someone was wondering.

[MafiaMan]

Well that block of Fighting Hawk voters wasn't here, which is mainly alumni.

Where did it come from?

SunDogs came from mainly the faculty.

SiouxSports.com is a very, very small sampling of eligible voters.

[The Sicatoka]

We need to demand the process that was defined be followed. 

Tell him. 

robert.kelley@und.edu

[MafiaMan]

The Cubs lost the best of 7 series so we'll now play a best of 11 series.

Well, if it keeps the Mets out of the World Series, I vote "aye."  

[SiouxVolley]

SiouxSports.com is a very, very small sampling of eligible voters.

I'm sure you realize that a Gallop poll is too.  But it's still accurate +/- 3%.  

What missing is that Siouxsports is not representative of all voters, just the informed ones.

Edited October 26, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[NDinCO]

This is getting (more) ridiculous.

Nothing against NoDaks per se, but you just can't change the rules midstream after announcing the process. You JUST CANT DO IT. You have just lost the VERY small amount of credibility your had left. You should eliminate the bottom 3 like you said (I don't pretend to know how that would impact the final vote).

I have never been a conspiracy theorist (JFK, 9/11, Area 54, etc), but this stinks. Starting with the trumped up final 5, now this. Why is Kelley even allowed near this process - HE'S ON HIS WAY OUT!! He shouldn't be allowed near as he this impacts his 'legacy' and therefore will only do what he thinks is best for him or the PC crowd, I know truly believe that - never have before. Why not just announce what the 'higher ups' want and end this DOG-AND-PONY show. 

So if Hawks wins, so be it. Get ready for some HAWKY! But congratulations UND on settling on becoming a GENERIC MILK CARTON (that should be your logo). Full disclosure, I voted for RR - at least some imagination and flair, any of the other 4 have that. But if want to become a lion or tiger or bear...

[MafiaMan]

I believe this is an underhanded, sneaky attempt to stop Roughriders from winning. I also think Kelley wants Fighting Hawks to win so that the consultant they hired looks like a good investment. Finally, putting Nodaks on the final ballot is throwing a bone to the Fighting Sioux Hardliners and the Hockey-Only crowd so they couldn't scream "conspiracy".

I don't agree with you often, fs4l, but after mulling this over a bit, I think you might be onto something here.  Kelley has effectively made about 5,000 Nodaks voters happy while at the same time, ensuring that those "eliminated" votes now don't swing over to Rough Riders and pole-vault that choice to victory. 

Consultants look like geniuses, Kelley doesn't have to worry about those nasty Indian comments from Teddy Roosevelt coming to the surface, win-win for everyone!

 

[MafiaMan]

I'm sure you realize that a Gallop poll is too.  But it's still accurate +/- 3%.  

What missing is that Siouxsports is not representative of all voters, just the informed ones.

So now a sampling of voters here is akin to a Gallup poll?  

[Old Time Hockey]

This just keeps getting worse.....

Leadership, integrity?

Fire Kelley!

[tnt]

What is the traditional margin of error needed before a recount in an election?  It seems to me  over 100 votes is a lot for how many votes were cast between Roughriders and Nodaks.  The question needs to be asked where was he going to draw the line.  Kelley just continues to cause dissent in the UND fan and Alumni base by his lack of foresight.  

Edited October 26, 2015 by tnt

[Sodacker]

This is a unique situation that quite frankly needs to be flexible. I want a nickname that everyone wants and accommodating that by allowing 3 finalist because 2 were essentially tied is only practical. I think the winner needs to have 50 percent of the vote so I hope that there is a third if the November 2nd vote doesn't get that. 

And I thought sundogs was the establishment choice? Or is the establishment choice any that siouxsports.com doesn't agree with? 

[Siouxphan27]

this is pretty big of you to say. I don't know if I would say Id say the same had the roles been flipped

thanks ericpnelson.    I respect the original process laid out for the voting.  Not following the plan just adds another level of frustration and skepticism for the passionate fans/alumni/donors.