zonadub Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 He'll probably just name UND the "Robert Kelley's" as his last act in office.HEY! I think you stumbled onto something.UND Kelly. Just like the Stanford Cardinal.We can then pick anything we want for a mascot and logo. Give me the night to think about this.Nice Work Benny! it may be 4 1/2 months later, but Benny, petey and I finally found something to agree on (though Benny will contend that I don't fully comprehend the meaning and depth of his position because he used "Robert" and I used "Green" ) So you're sayin' that Northern Lights is too good a name for Kelly & co to come up with. So maybe he will want it to be the UND Kelly Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 This just in: UND announces nickname voting process and datesUniversity of North Dakota President Robert Kelley has announced the details of the voting process for determining final selection of a nickname for UND’s athletics teams.The voting process, which will be conducted completely online, will take place in mid-October and will extend for approximately one week. Precise dates will be announced later. Voting will be open to the following groups: · Current UND Students· Current UND Faculty· Current UND Staff· UND Retirees· UND Alumni· UND Donors (including Champions Club members) (one vote per account)· Current season ticket holders to UND athletic events (one vote per account)In order to be eligible to vote, individuals must be a UND retiree; a current faculty or staff member; a currently-enrolled student as of Sept. 30, 2015; or a donor or season ticket holder as of Aug. 31, 2015.Shortly before the voting period begins, eligible voters will receive an email with voting instructions. Current UND students, faculty and staff will receive the emails at their UND (UND.edu) email address. Alumni, donors, retirees and all current season ticket holders must confirm their emails through a process that will be communicated soon. Eligible voters who fall into more than one of the above categories—such as a staff member who is also an alumnus—may only vote once, and any identified multiple votes will be voided. The online voting process will be conducted by Qualtrics, a third-party survey technology provider with more than 7,000 customers in 75 countries. In 2014, Qualtrics customers sent over one billion surveys worldwide.During the voting process, eligible voters will cast one vote for a single option on the ballot. Eligible voters will choose one of five nickname options:Fighting HawksNodaksNorth StarsRoughridersSundogsIf any of the proposed nicknames receives a majority of more than 50 percent of the votes, that name will be determined to be the new nickname for the University of North Dakota. In the event that no single nickname receives more than 50 percent of the vote, a runoff vote will be held between the two top vote-getters shortly after the initial vote. Said UND President Robert Kelley: “In deciding the final list of names to include in the final vote, I have reviewed the recommendations of the Nickname Committee, the additional input received from a recent student poll, and input from many other individual students (including student athletes), faculty, staff, alumni and community members who have contacted me. I have considered all this input carefully and, in determining the final voting list, have concluded that it is in the best long-term interest of the University not to use ‘North Dakota’ as the University’s official nickname.”President Kelley added, “As I have noted many times, North Dakota is not a nickname—it is a reflection of our pride in who we are. We have been North Dakota—UND—for more than 130 years, and we always will be. The Nickname Committee has delivered a list of five prospective nicknames with the potential to add value to our already-existing North Dakota identity and evoke the pride and spirit that we all feel for our University and our State. I respect and support the process the Committee used, and the extensive public input they gathered. In making this decision, I also respect their final recommendations.”President Kelley also received extensive input concerning the people who should be involved in the voting process. One important consideration in the decision is the importance of verifying voter identity to prevent fraud. Each eligible voter’s identity and connection to UND will be confirmed. Even more importantly, noted President Kelley, “We have appreciated the opportunity this past year to gather feedback and ensure representation from all interested parties across the state and across the country. This was accomplished through broad stakeholder representation on the two teams that worked on this process. It was also accomplished by gathering feedback from last fall's town hall meetings, an online survey, and the month-long nickname comment process conducted by the Nickname Committee this past April. It is now time to allow the final step of this process to be undertaken by those individuals with the most direct ties to UND—students, alumni, faculty, staff, retirees, donors, and season ticket holders.” Information About Email Delivery of Voting Instructions Eligible voters will soon receive voting instructions. While students, faculty and staff will already have a confirmed means of identification through their UND email (UND.edu), retirees, alumni, donors and current season ticket holders will need to ensure that their emails are current in their respective databases in order to be able to vote. The weeks prior to the vote will allow these groups the opportunity to do that.Current season ticket holders (non-Champions Club): Contact the Ralph Engelstad Arena Box Office at 701.777.0855 between the hours of 10 a.m.-6 p.m., Monday-Friday, or email tickets@theralph.com any time between now and October 1, 2015 to ensure that your correct email is on file. UND alumni, retirees, and donors: Additional information will soon be sent explaining how to confirm email addresses. For alumni, this information will be sent via the Alumni Review and through a direct mail.--30--Peter B. JohnsonExecutive Associate Vice President Media Relations Coordinator/Community Relations OfficerPublic Relations GroupDivision of University and Public Affairs264 Centennial Drive Stop 7144Grand Forks, ND 58202-7144 701.777.4317 | 701.740.5398 cell | 701.777.4616 faxPeter.johnson@UND.eduUND.eduUS, AV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 This just in: UND announces nickname voting process and dates University of North Dakota President Robert Kelley has announced the details of the voting process for determining final selection of a nickname for UND’s athletics teams. The voting process, which will be conducted completely online, will take place in mid-October and will extend for approximately one week. Precise dates will be announced later. Voting will be open to the following groups: · Current UND Students · Current UND Faculty · Current UND Staff · UND Retirees · UND Alumni · UND Donors (including Champions Club members) (one vote per account) · Current season ticket holders to UND athletic events (one vote per account) In order to be eligible to vote, individuals must be a UND retiree; a current faculty or staff member; a currently-enrolled student as of Sept. 30, 2015; or a donor or season ticket holder as of Aug. 31, 2015. Shortly before the voting period begins, eligible voters will receive an email with voting instructions. Current UND students, faculty and staff will receive the emails at their UND (UND.edu) email address. Alumni, donors, retirees and all current season ticket holders must confirm their emails through a process that will be communicated soon. Eligible voters who fall into more than one of the above categories—such as a staff member who is also an alumnus—may only vote once, and any identified multiple votes will be voided. The online voting process will be conducted by Qualtrics, a third-party survey technology provider with more than 7,000 customers in 75 countries. In 2014, Qualtrics customers sent over one billion surveys worldwide. During the voting process, eligible voters will cast one vote for a single option on the ballot. Eligible voters will choose one of five nickname options: Fighting Hawks Nodaks North Stars Roughriders Sundogs If any of the proposed nicknames receives a majority of more than 50 percent of the votes, that name will be determined to be the new nickname for the University of North Dakota. In the event that no single nickname receives more than 50 percent of the vote, a runoff vote will be held between the two top vote-getters shortly after the initial vote. Said UND President Robert Kelley: “In deciding the final list of names to include in the final vote, I have reviewed the recommendations of the Nickname Committee, the additional input received from a recent student poll, and input from many other individual students (including student athletes), faculty, staff, alumni and community members who have contacted me. I have considered all this input carefully and, in determining the final voting list, have concluded that it is in the best long-term interest of the University not to use ‘North Dakota’ as the University’s official nickname.” President Kelley added, “As I have noted many times, North Dakota is not a nickname—it is a reflection of our pride in who we are. We have been North Dakota—UND—for more than 130 years, and we always will be. The Nickname Committee has delivered a list of five prospective nicknames with the potential to add value to our already-existing North Dakota identity and evoke the pride and spirit that we all feel for our University and our State. I respect and support the process the Committee used, and the extensive public input they gathered. In making this decision, I also respect their final recommendations.” President Kelley also received extensive input concerning the people who should be involved in the voting process. One important consideration in the decision is the importance of verifying voter identity to prevent fraud. Each eligible voter’s identity and connection to UND will be confirmed. Even more importantly, noted President Kelley, “We have appreciated the opportunity this past year to gather feedback and ensure representation from all interested parties across the state and across the country. This was accomplished through broad stakeholder representation on the two teams that worked on this process. It was also accomplished by gathering feedback from last fall's town hall meetings, an online survey, and the month-long nickname comment process conducted by the Nickname Committee this past April. It is now time to allow the final step of this process to be undertaken by those individuals with the most direct ties to UND—students, alumni, faculty, staff, retirees, donors, and season ticket holders.” Information About Email Delivery of Voting Instructions Eligible voters will soon receive voting instructions. While students, faculty and staff will already have a confirmed means of identification through their UND email (UND.edu), retirees, alumni, donors and current season ticket holders will need to ensure that their emails are current in their respective databases in order to be able to vote. The weeks prior to the vote will allow these groups the opportunity to do that. Current season ticket holders (non-Champions Club): Contact the Ralph Engelstad Arena Box Office at 701.777.0855 between the hours of 10 a.m.-6 p.m., Monday-Friday, or email tickets@theralph.com any time between now and October 1, 2015 to ensure that your correct email is on file. UND alumni, retirees, and donors: Additional information will soon be sent explaining how to confirm email addresses. For alumni, this information will be sent via the Alumni Review and through a direct mail. --30-- Peter B. Johnson Executive Associate Vice President Media Relations Coordinator/Community Relations Officer Public Relations Group Division of University and Public Affairs 264 Centennial Drive Stop 7144 Grand Forks, ND 58202-7144 701.777.4317 | 701.740.5398 cell | 701.777.4616 fax Peter.johnson@UND.edu UND.edu US, AV a UND only proceess with 2 rounds of voting. Perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 So UND will have a nickname when the dust has settled from this debacle....................least we know if will come from one of the 5 options left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 There is zero chance one of the 5 gets 50% in the first round of voting...............my fear is Sundogs and/or Nodaks and/or Hawks are the 2 finalists when the first vote ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well my #1 choice is gone! #2- #3 are still there...Guess what HAYDUKE?!! I have a voice in the vote! I get to vote.....just like you!!Hahahahahahaha....I think the storm is on its way since Kelly removed ND as an option. At least he made a decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well my #1 choice is gone! #2- #3 are still there...Guess what HAYDUKE?!! I have a voice in the vote! I get to vote.....just like you!!Hahahahahahaha....I think the storm is on its way since Kelly removed ND as an option. At least he made a decision!Is there a link to this information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Is there a link to this information? Scroll up a little ways and read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Is there a link to this information? The posts above show the process, KNOX said ND is removed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Whether you did or did not like the idea of UND/North Dakota/No Nickname as an option; the way the committee the president handled that piece of the process was pathetic. Should have either been scratched at the beginning, or left to the final vote not flipped back an forth as it was through the process. Pretty pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The posts above show the process, KNOX said ND is removed..Yeah, I saw the email above, right after I posted that. Very disappointing, I guess I'll throw for Roughriders. Really don't care at this point .... anything but SunDogs. Still going to be Fighting Sioux for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The posts above show the process, KNOX said ND is removed..Why am I not surprised....let me guess, Roberto will be out of town and unavailable for comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 ... the president handled that piece of the process was pathetic. Should have either been scratched at the beginning, or left to the final vote not flipped back an forth as it was through the process.Upon this point, my friend, you and I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) This just in: UND announces nickname voting process and dates University of North Dakota President Robert Kelley has announced the details of the voting process for determining final selection of a nickname for UND’s athletics teams. The voting process, which will be conducted completely online, will take place in mid-October and will extend for approximately one week. Precise dates will be announced later. Voting will be open to the following groups: · Current UND Students · Current UND Faculty · Current UND Staff · UND Retirees · UND Alumni · UND Donors (including Champions Club members) (one vote per account) · Current season ticket holders to UND athletic events (one vote per account) In order to be eligible to vote, individuals must be a UND retiree; a current faculty or staff member; a currently-enrolled student as of Sept. 30, 2015; or a donor or season ticket holder as of Aug. 31, 2015. Shortly before the voting period begins, eligible voters will receive an email with voting instructions. Current UND students, faculty and staff will receive the emails at their UND (UND.edu) email address. Alumni, donors, retirees and all current season ticket holders must confirm their emails through a process that will be communicated soon. Eligible voters who fall into more than one of the above categories—such as a staff member who is also an alumnus—may only vote once, and any identified multiple votes will be voided. The online voting process will be conducted by Qualtrics, a third-party survey technology provider with more than 7,000 customers in 75 countries. In 2014, Qualtrics customers sent over one billion surveys worldwide. During the voting process, eligible voters will cast one vote for a single option on the ballot. Eligible voters will choose one of five nickname options: Fighting Hawks Nodaks North Stars Roughriders Sundogs If any of the proposed nicknames receives a majority of more than 50 percent of the votes, that name will be determined to be the new nickname for the University of North Dakota. In the event that no single nickname receives more than 50 percent of the vote, a runoff vote will be held between the two top vote-getters shortly after the initial vote. Said UND President Robert Kelley: “In deciding the final list of names to include in the final vote, I have reviewed the recommendations of the Nickname Committee, the additional input received from a recent student poll, and input from many other individual students (including student athletes), faculty, staff, alumni and community members who have contacted me. I have considered all this input carefully and, in determining the final voting list, have concluded that it is in the best long-term interest of the University not to use ‘North Dakota’ as the University’s official nickname.” President Kelley added, “As I have noted many times, North Dakota is not a nickname—it is a reflection of our pride in who we are. We have been North Dakota—UND—for more than 130 years, and we always will be. The Nickname Committee has delivered a list of five prospective nicknames with the potential to add value to our already-existing North Dakota identity and evoke the pride and spirit that we all feel for our University and our State. I respect and support the process the Committee used, and the extensive public input they gathered. In making this decision, I also respect their final recommendations.” President Kelley also received extensive input concerning the people who should be involved in the voting process. One important consideration in the decision is the importance of verifying voter identity to prevent fraud. Each eligible voter’s identity and connection to UND will be confirmed. Even more importantly, noted President Kelley, “We have appreciated the opportunity this past year to gather feedback and ensure representation from all interested parties across the state and across the country. This was accomplished through broad stakeholder representation on the two teams that worked on this process. It was also accomplished by gathering feedback from last fall's town hall meetings, an online survey, and the month-long nickname comment process conducted by the Nickname Committee this past April. It is now time to allow the final step of this process to be undertaken by those individuals with the most direct ties to UND—students, alumni, faculty, staff, retirees, donors, and season ticket holders.” Information About Email Delivery of Voting Instructions Eligible voters will soon receive voting instructions. While students, faculty and staff will already have a confirmed means of identification through their UND email (UND.edu), retirees, alumni, donors and current season ticket holders will need to ensure that their emails are current in their respective databases in order to be able to vote. The weeks prior to the vote will allow these groups the opportunity to do that. Current season ticket holders (non-Champions Club): Contact the Ralph Engelstad Arena Box Office at 701.777.0855 between the hours of 10 a.m.-6 p.m., Monday-Friday, or email tickets@theralph.com any time between now and October 1, 2015 to ensure that your correct email is on file. UND alumni, retirees, and donors: Additional information will soon be sent explaining how to confirm email addresses. For alumni, this information will be sent via the Alumni Review and through a direct mail. --30-- Peter B. Johnson Executive Associate Vice President Media Relations Coordinator/Community Relations Officer Public Relations Group Division of University and Public Affairs 264 Centennial Drive Stop 7144 Grand Forks, ND 58202-7144 701.777.4317 | 701.740.5398 cell | 701.777.4616 fax Peter.johnson@UND.edu UND.edu US, AV Incompetent. Even now he can't make a decision and narrow it down to a couple names or remove a couple names which would seem to indicate they have still not researched a branding and marketing strategy for whatever the name ends up being. You can't even make it up. Edited August 28, 2015 by petey23 additional info. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Incompetent.What is incompetent about it? The process he laid out above looks pretty standard to me. At least he didn't allow citizens of North Dakota to vote. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah, I saw the email above, right after I posted that. Very disappointing, I guess I'll throw for Roughriders. Really don't care at this point .... anything but SunDogs. Still going to be Fighting Sioux for me.Couldnt agree more... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) Hawks, NS, or RR. Has to be one of those. I have a tough time believing RR will make it through. I like NS more than Hawks I guess. Edited August 28, 2015 by scpa0305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) What is incompetent about it? The process he laid out above looks pretty standard to me. At least he didn't allow citizens of North Dakota to vote.There are many things that have been handled horribly in this entire process, the voting process laid out is probably the best thing we could asked for. Edited August 28, 2015 by Siouxperfan7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 In another thread on this site voting among the 5 options left RR has received 48.5% of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 If it was just Hawks and Stars rather than Fighting Hawks and North Stars, I'd be more supportive of those 2 names. I'd prefer to let the adjective develop more organically. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiSioux Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) This just in: UND announces nickname voting process and dates University of North Dakota President Robert Kelley has announced the details of the voting process for determining final selection of a nickname for UND’s athletics teams. The voting process, which will be conducted completely online, will take place in mid-October and will extend for approximately one week. Precise dates will be announced later. Voting will be open to the following groups: · Current UND Students · Current UND Faculty · Current UND Staff · UND Retirees · UND Alumni · UND Donors (including Champions Club members) (one vote per account) · Current season ticket holders to UND athletic events (one vote per account) In order to be eligible to vote, individuals must be a UND retiree; a current faculty or staff member; a currently-enrolled student as of Sept. 30, 2015; or a donor or season ticket holder as of Aug. 31, 2015. Shortly before the voting period begins, eligible voters will receive an email with voting instructions. Current UND students, faculty and staff will receive the emails at their UND (UND.edu) email address. Alumni, donors, retirees and all current season ticket holders must confirm their emails through a process that will be communicated soon. Eligible voters who fall into more than one of the above categories—such as a staff member who is also an alumnus—may only vote once, and any identified multiple votes will be voided. The online voting process will be conducted by Qualtrics, a third-party survey technology provider with more than 7,000 customers in 75 countries. In 2014, Qualtrics customers sent over one billion surveys worldwide. During the voting process, eligible voters will cast one vote for a single option on the ballot. Eligible voters will choose one of five nickname options: Fighting Hawks Nodaks North Stars Roughriders Sundogs If any of the proposed nicknames receives a majority of more than 50 percent of the votes, that name will be determined to be the new nickname for the University of North Dakota. In the event that no single nickname receives more than 50 percent of the vote, a runoff vote will be held between the two top vote-getters shortly after the initial vote. Said UND President Robert Kelley: “In deciding the final list of names to include in the final vote, I have reviewed the recommendations of the Nickname Committee, the additional input received from a recent student poll, and input from many other individual students (including student athletes), faculty, staff, alumni and community members who have contacted me. I have considered all this input carefully and, in determining the final voting list, have concluded that it is in the best long-term interest of the University not to use ‘North Dakota’ as the University’s official nickname.” President Kelley added, “As I have noted many times, North Dakota is not a nickname—it is a reflection of our pride in who we are. We have been North Dakota—UND—for more than 130 years, and we always will be. The Nickname Committee has delivered a list of five prospective nicknames with the potential to add value to our already-existing North Dakota identity and evoke the pride and spirit that we all feel for our University and our State. I respect and support the process the Committee used, and the extensive public input they gathered. In making this decision, I also respect their final recommendations.” President Kelley also received extensive input concerning the people who should be involved in the voting process. One important consideration in the decision is the importance of verifying voter identity to prevent fraud. Each eligible voter’s identity and connection to UND will be confirmed. Even more importantly, noted President Kelley, “We have appreciated the opportunity this past year to gather feedback and ensure representation from all interested parties across the state and across the country. This was accomplished through broad stakeholder representation on the two teams that worked on this process. It was also accomplished by gathering feedback from last fall's town hall meetings, an online survey, and the month-long nickname comment process conducted by the Nickname Committee this past April. It is now time to allow the final step of this process to be undertaken by those individuals with the most direct ties to UND—students, alumni, faculty, staff, retirees, donors, and season ticket holders.” Information About Email Delivery of Voting Instructions Eligible voters will soon receive voting instructions. While students, faculty and staff will already have a confirmed means of identification through their UND email (UND.edu), retirees, alumni, donors and current season ticket holders will need to ensure that their emails are current in their respective databases in order to be able to vote. The weeks prior to the vote will allow these groups the opportunity to do that. Current season ticket holders (non-Champions Club): Contact the Ralph Engelstad Arena Box Office at 701.777.0855 between the hours of 10 a.m.-6 p.m., Monday-Friday, or email tickets@theralph.com any time between now and October 1, 2015 to ensure that your correct email is on file. UND alumni, retirees, and donors: Additional information will soon be sent explaining how to confirm email addresses. For alumni, this information will be sent via the Alumni Review and through a direct mail. --30-- Peter B. Johnson Executive Associate Vice President Media Relations Coordinator/Community Relations Officer Public Relations Group Division of University and Public Affairs 264 Centennial Drive Stop 7144 Grand Forks, ND 58202-7144 701.777.4317 | 701.740.5398 cell | 701.777.4616 fax Peter.johnson@UND.edu UND.edu US, AV I vote we start a new thread with this information Edited August 28, 2015 by WiSioux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I vote we start a new thread with this informationDone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 There are many things that have been handled horribly in this entire process, the voting process laid out is probably the best thing we could asked for. I have no problem with the voting process.....the issue is with a lack of leadership. If you decide to remove North Dakota from consideration which should have been done at the start of this process what is stopping you from narrowing it down further and getting rid of truly terrible names like Sundogs and Nodaks. Just say "after conferring with our marketing and branding experts we have decided to remove these selections" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I have no problem with the voting process.....the issue is with a lack of leadership. If you decide to remove North Dakota from consideration which should have been done at the start of this process what is stopping you from narrowing it down further and getting rid of truly terrible names like Sundogs and Nodaks. Just say "after conferring with our marketing and branding experts we have decided to remove these selections"YOu know how you get rid of a terrible name and make sure it doesn't have a chance to win, vote for a different name. If you hate Sundogs, even if you aren't 100% on board with one of the other names, vote for something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 YOu know how you get rid of a terrible name and make sure it doesn't have a chance to win, vote for a different name. If you hate Sundogs, even if you aren't 100% on board with one of the other names, vote for something else. If not for the 7 out of 10 rule I would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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