Sioux-cia Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 And rest assured, some folks on the committee can probably hear this now, too, which is why Sundogs will keep gaining momentum over the "erase the past" crowd. What's to stop the crowd from yelling Sioux instead of Sundogs? Quote
Sioux-cia Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Hmnnn...you had me hooked for a minute and then all of a sudden, you lost me. Just kidding, absolutely GREAT post, including the part I cut out. I'll offer up another tyoe of fan, though: one who spent 22 years as a born-and-raised native North Dakotan who just recently hit the tipping point of having now spent the majority of his life as a resident of somewhere else. To this day, when people ask me where I'm from, the answer is still "North Dakota...but I live in Wisconsin now." You moved to Wisconsin? Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 What's to stop the crowd from yelling Sioux instead of Sundogs? Nothing, but how many more folks would yell "SIOUX" over the football, basketball, or hockey announcer when he/she says the word "Fighting"? Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 You moved to Wisconsin?If I throw a rock across the St Croix River, it'll land in Minnesota. OK, not quite THAT close, but 15 minutes from Stillwater. Quote
Hayduke Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Hmnnn...you had me hooked for a minute and then all of a sudden, you lost me. Just kidding, absolutely GREAT post, including the part I cut out. I'll offer up another tyoe of fan, though: one who spent 22 years as a born-and-raised native North Dakotan who just recently hit the tipping point of having now spent the majority of his life as a resident of somewhere else. To this day, when people ask me where I'm from, the answer is still "North Dakota...but I live in Wisconsin now." Ditto here. Lived in Colorado now longer than North Dakota...but when asked, "I'm from North Dakota, but I live in Colorado." 1 Quote
Hayduke Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 If I throw a rock across the St Croix River, it'll land in Minnesota. OK, not quite THAT close, but 15 minutes from Stillwater. I'd like to see you throw a rock across the St. Croix! Dude, I'd be your agent and we'd be talking to the Twins! LOL Quote
jimdahl Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Jim nailed it with his blog post today. Do we really want to go from an original, regional name that we were all proud of to a generic name that is the trend for schools changing their contrversial native american nickname? Thanks, I started writing that just wanting to call broader attention to the point about how ex-Indian mascot teams always get steered into ____Hawks. Then I found myself re-editing it because I was worried that I would be perceived as endorsing, or slamming, the name, while I actually find it just acceptable. That's when I realized that Fighting Hawks might win because it's safe rather than loved. It's been so under the radar and is so generic that it has generated no controversy. It's not clear that a name that generates no passion is what I want (at a minimum, it's very different from what we're accustomed to with Fighting Sioux!) Now I'm worried that Fighting Hawks is more suited for a lesser institution than the state's namesake university. I'm even starting to wonder if, in the long run, I'd prefer any of the bolder names (even those I dislike), because they'd eventually become uniquely associated with UND athletics given their uniqueness and strong ties to the region. Shameless plug in case anyone missed it, the post: Fighting Hawks – the safe, unimaginative, generic, dark horse nickname that finds itself a front runner Quote
Oxbow6 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 If anyone thinks Kelley won't make the benign safe blah pick on his way out...try again. Fighting Hawks is "trending" as you Twitter guys would say......but MM has no clue what that means. Quote
Fetch Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Whats the story how we got to use the Blackhawk logo before the GREATEST LOGO OF ALL TIME ? Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 If anyone thinks Kelley won't make the benign safe blah pick on his way out...try again. Fighting Hawks is "trending" as you Twitter guys would say......but MM has no clue what that means. #just_don't_get_the_appeal 1 Quote
TheEagle Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Ditto here. Lived in Colorado now longer than North Dakota...but when asked, "I'm from North Dakota, but I live in Colorado." Same here. I've lived in Minnesota longer than I lived in ND. Quote
Hawkster Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I'm sorry but I just can't get enthused about Roughriders. Way too much baggage with this one. First off, we would be stealing it from RR. I know, it's been discussed a million times, but that doesn't change anything. They had it first. Next, it's the name of a ficking condom. I suppose we could be the Ribbed Roughriders, or the Lubed Roughriders, it would fit. I'm not crazy about some of the other names either, but my first two choices would be North Stars or Fighting Hawks. I'll reluctantly support what ever is picked, but we clearly have much better choices than 'riders. 1 Quote
tnt Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I'm sorry but I just can't get enthused about Roughriders. Way too much baggage with this one. First off, we would be stealing it from RR. I know, it's been discussed a million times, but that doesn't change anything. They had it first. Next, it's the name of a ficking condom. I suppose we could be the Ribbed Roughriders, or the Lubed Roughriders, it would fit. I'm not crazy about some of the other names either, but my first two choices would be North Stars or Fighting Hawks. I'll reluctantly support what ever is picked, but we clearly have much better choices than 'riders. North Stars already taken by a team in town. 1 Quote
SiouxVolley Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I'm sorry but I just can't get enthused about Roughriders. Way too much baggage with this one. First off, we would be stealing it from RR. I know, it's been discussed a million times, but that doesn't change anything. They had it first. Next, it's the name of a ficking condom. I suppose we could be the Ribbed Roughriders, or the Lubed Roughriders, it would fit. I'm not crazy about some of the other names either, but my first two choices would be North Stars or Fighting Hawks. I'll reluctantly support what ever is picked, but we clearly have much better choices than 'riders. And Red River stole it from North Dakota, who stole it from Teddy, who gained his heart here. A flagship is supposed to steal from their state's nickname, otherwise it's not a flagship. Maybe you want to rename North Dakota as the Fighting Hawk state. At least you'd be logical then. 1 Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Maybe you want to rename North Dakota as the Fighting Hawk state. At least you'd be logical then. So now it's mandatory that the flagship university in each state must use the official state nickname as its school nickname? Quote
SiouxVolley Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 So now it's mandatory that the flagship university in each state must use the official state nickname as its school nickname? It's not mandatory, but logical and reinforce each other. Otherwise everybody would be Bulldogs (Ga), Tigers (Mo, LSU), and Hawks/Eagles or one of their variances, which are very lame. 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 So now it's mandatory that the flagship university in each state must use the official state nickname as its school nickname? no not mandatory but there is common theme amongst flagship universities and nicknames they have chosen... Quote
SWSiouxMN Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 To channel my inner gfhockey anything but sundogs 3 Quote
MafiaMan Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 It's not mandatory, but logical and reinforce each other. Otherwise everybody would be Bulldogs (Ga), Tigers (Mo, LSU), and Hawks/Eagles or one of their variances, which are very lame. Interesting comparison, because if Georgia, Mizzou, and LSU all decided tomorrow to get rid of their respective Bulldogs and Tigers nicknames, there would be rioting in the streets of Athens, Columbia, and Baton Rouge. 1 Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 It's not mandatory, but logical and reinforce each other. Otherwise everybody would be Bulldogs (Ga), Tigers (Mo, LSU), and Hawks/Eagles or one of their variances, which are very lame.The last time I checked, less than 50% of the states had flagship schools using the state nickname as the school nickname. 1 Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Anyone who has ever lived knows that beaver has an alternate meaning so it is wonder how Oregon State has survived all these years. True. Although i'd argue Oregon State's Beavers were actually from Oregon. (they weren't beavers that a New York politician recruited from the states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma.) Quote
jimdahl Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 The last time I checked, less than 50% of the states had flagship schools using the state nickname as the school nickname. To be fair, 50% is really high. There's no question the state nicknames are somewhat associated with the state in a way that some of the other options aren't. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Interesting comparison, because if Georgia, Mizzou, and LSU all decided tomorrow to get rid of their respective Bulldogs and Tigers nicknames, there would be rioting in the streets of Athens, Columbia, and Baton Rouge. So if we don't choose Fighting Hawks there will rioting in the streets of GF? Is that your point? Quote
STS Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/3802759-brad-schlossman-nickname-committee-ignores-what-public-wanted Schloss nailing it. 4 1 Quote
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