The Sicatoka Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 So he should have axed the name all by himself in his first couple years? Ignoring all parties that wanted to put in their two cents... The settlement agreement was signed in October 2007. Dr. Kelley became president of UND on July 1, 2008. The name was gone before he got here. He's had six and a half years to take us beyond the agreement and all we have to show from his (alleged) leadership is committees (and bills from the committees). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The settlement agreement was signed in October 2007. Dr. Kelley became president of UND on July 1, 2008. The name was gone before he got here. He's had six and a half years to take us beyond the agreement and all we have to show from his (alleged) leadership is committees (and bills from the committees). The tribes didnt hold anything up, huh? How about legislature votes? He just had free reign to choose as he pleased. Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The handwriting was on the wall in 2007. Standing Rock (council) wasn't going to change. If Kelley had been leading from the front would some of these other folks (looking at Al Carlson) felt the need to drag things out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 In the mind of President Kelley, the nickname issue is/was nothing more than a nuisance. Kelley does not want to be preoccupied with university athletic issues; he has very little interest in university athletics and his mindset has impeded the potential progress of UND athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Sic I'm truely beginning to like u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 One of the first committees* Kelley formed (way back when, say circa 2009) had both Leigh Jeanotte and Ed Schafer on it. Talk about the "Odd Couple" of ND politics. Where is gets truly odd is that Schafer and Jeanotte agreed in that meeting: Neither could believe they weren't there to pick a new name and start the process to move forward, away from this bleeding, sucking chest wound. Now, each had reasons to want to pick a new name (Jeanotte: to finally "win"; Schafer: to keep what we're wallowing in now from happening); but, each agreed it was time to pick and move. At the time you'd have had a prominent UND alumnus and former governor and a lead of the "antis" both working to a common end. The guy who was paralyzed at the thought of making a decision, defending it, and leading? Dr. Robert O. Kelley. When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships. *It's tough to remember them all and keep them all straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 There are some here who should someday run for Governor (not me I was already temporarily insane back in my 30s - thank God I lost) but I'd be willing to help & be a campaign & debate manager. It's time for folks to stand up for what is unquestionabley right on so many things even bigger than this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Don't forget the vote ---- don't u have campaigns before a vote ...oh wait we have been doing that for years now - but he will wrap it up now in a couple months & all should be happy & follow along - because educated idiots & commitees say so Someone post the popcorn gif now I'm on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships. That seems awfully low, Sic. Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Update in the Herald says students weren't kicked out. It said they followed the sign to the security office to dispute the sign but were free to leave afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 That seems awfully low, Sic. Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6. The Big Sky has one (UND). The Big 12 has maybe five: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Baylor, and WVU. Most of FBS doesn't have a med school, and many don't have law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yababy8 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 It's time for folks to stand up for what is unquestionabley right on so many things even bigger than this The first mistake perpetrated by/on the people of North Dakota was that they did not process this as a BIG deal. It was and is a very very big deal. The mentality that must be present in order to aqueous to such atrocities becomes inveterated. It is indubitably a disconcerting sign of our time on so many levels that this identity rape was allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Update in the Herald says students weren't kicked out. It said they followed the sign to the security office to dispute the sign but were free to leave afterwards. That's important information - thank you for posting it. Regardless of its content, the sign certainly appeared to violate several conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewey Posted March 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2015 The first mistake perpetrated by/on the people of North Dakota was that they did not process this as a BIG deal. It was and is a very very big deal. The mentality that must be present in order to aqueous to such atrocities becomes inveterated. It is indubitably a disconcerting sign of our time on so many levels that this identity rape was allowed. ^^^^^^^^^^ Yes. Kelley has been a career academic and a politically correct acolyte his entire professional life and from this seed one expects leadership? Leadership, like starting and owning a business, involves taking calculated risks, being entirely transparent with your determinations and laying them on the line and accepting the consequences/results and adapting/making changes as a result of the consequences/results. Kelley is a whelp and a mere wreckage of a leader. He tried to take the middle ground by not overtly coming out against the nickname and by seeking cover from the SBoHE. Of course, everyone knew he was against the nickname and logo anyway, so he may as well have done so instead of trying to perpetuate the falsity that he really was only doing what he was told to do. In reality he was scheming all along against alumni, athletes and pretty much everyone and anyone in favor of keeping the nickname. Charles Kupcake showed a lot more leadership than Kelley. I personally would have liked to have seen him stand up in favor of the nickname and logo and against the NCAA like Kupcake did. An absolute wrong is an absolute wrong no matter how it is dressed up from various expedient perspectives many of which have been recited on this board. Gandhi did it. MLK did it. Nelson Mandela did it. St. Thomas More did it. John Lennon did it. Since he was a wet, Berkeley noodle and part of the PC episcopacy from day one no reasonable person could have truly expected that he would take any stand at all. It's hard to believe so many PC conformists like Kelley have come out of the Vietnam War protest era. Leadership involves taking an explicit stand on something. In my mind, Kelley, the AG, the SBoHE, etc. were not leaders at all and were collaborators more than anything else. At various times, they collaborated, if only unintentionally and indirectly (sometimes unintentionally and directly), on both sides. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Regardless of wether you agree with the sign or not they shouldn't have been booted. I don't think REA allows any type of signs that size but all that needed to be done is take the sign away. Maybe the students have different rules about this? Who knows. As far as Firing our president I agree. He's shown a real lack of leadership with his faculty and as far as I can see he's done nothing but stand back and watch things happen until he's forced to take action. Then when he does do something he runs and hides from the media. A man in his position needs to get out in front of things and deal with problems before they boil. He's a total reactionary. Nice guy but wrong guy for the job. Also, when something happens (a firing for example), he is out of town someplace. Then he comes back to Grand Forks and says "Yep, the buck stops here, it's on me, blah, blah, blah!" He spends half of his time keeping his fingernails clean and his hands off of important decisions and the other half telling the media "No comment" or hiding behind Peter Johnson in Media Relations. He can't leave soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Also, when something happens (a firing for example), he is out of town someplace. Then he comes back to Grand Forks and says "Yep, the buck stops here, it's on me, blah, blah, blah!" He spends half of his time keeping his fingernails clean and his hands off of important decisions and the other half telling the media "No comment" or hiding behind Peter Johnson in Media Relations. He can't leave soon enough. Exactly, for me it doesn't have much to do about his lack of support for the nickname. It's just his lack of leadership and pickaboo way he deals with situations. I can't think of one time where he got up in front of a crowd/news conference or whatever where he knows he's going to be challenged. I'm just not impressed and I've seen enough. I rarely call for anyone to be fired (not even Muss) but this ones a obvious one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Update in the Herald says students weren't kicked out. It said they followed the sign to the security office to dispute the sign but were free to leave afterwards. Wait a minute. You don't really want to confuse folks with facts do you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Wait a minute. You don't really want to confuse folks with facts do you? I figured it was an important point to clarify. I was originally upset thinking they were kicked out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships. That seems awfully low, Sic. Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6. OK. You got me. I should've said "47 public with both a medical and a law school". Here's the list/link: http://und.edu/discover/about-und.cfm Or, if you want to try your hand at guessing them: http://www.sporcle.com/games/jonesjeffum/medlawunis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 The first mistake perpetrated by/on the people of North Dakota was that they did not process this as a BIG deal. It was and is a very very big deal. The mentality that must be present in order to aqueous to such atrocities becomes inveterated. It is indubitably a disconcerting sign of our time on so many levels that this identity rape was allowed. gfhockey, is that you writing this? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yababy8 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 gfhockey, is that you writing this? ;-) Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Exactly, for me it doesn't have much to do about his lack of support for the nickname. It's just his lack of leadership and pickaboo way he deals with situations. I can't think of one time where he got up in front of a crowd/news conference or whatever where he knows he's going to be challenged. I'm just not impressed and I've seen enough. I rarely call for anyone to be fired (not even Muss) but this ones a obvious one. How the heck did this guy end up at UND? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Fire Kupchella. Fire Kelly. Fire______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I figured it was an important point to clarify. I was originally upset thinking they were kicked out too. And Austin claims he was kicked out. Also I've also heard from a reliable source that one of the students was kicked out. Why the conflicting story? This happened close to the end of the third. By the time the students were escorted to the office where the supposed meeting took place and the students were told they were free to go, Id be willing to bet the game was about over anyway. I'm also curious why it was assumed a sign that simply states "fire kelly" is considered political in nature. The only rule I see this breaking is by obstructing other fans' view of the game. If you look at the uncropped photo that was taken there is a student holding a fighting Sioux banner over his head in the lower bowl. Was his sign taken or was he pulled into an office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 And Austin claims he was kicked out. Also I've also heard from a reliable source that one of the students was kicked out. Why the conflicting story? This happened close to the end of the third. By the time the students were escorted to the office where the supposed meeting took place and the students were told they were free to go, Id be willing to bet the game was about over anyway. I'm also curious why it was assumed a sign that simply states "fire kelly" is considered political in nature. The only rule I see this breaking is by obstructing other fans' view of the game. If you look at the uncropped photo that was taken there is a student holding a fighting Sioux banner over his head in the lower bowl. Was his sign taken or was he pulled into an office? Ironic, because political speech is afforded more first amendment protection than non political speech in the school setting. Obviously, this is not the school room and there are other limitations on signage, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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