Siouxperfan7 Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I can only assume that attendance issues are the main reason for wanting a change. Gauranteeing the top 4 teams or every team makes it to Minneapolis would deffinitely help attendance anxiety in late March for NCHC brass. http://gazette.com/nchc-weighing-playoff-changes/article/1518556 Quote
CMSioux Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Kind of knee jerk to this past year's upsets but the building and local hotels can hold plenty more and the more the merrier so why not make a change that gets more fans into town - make the Big 10 Tourny look like small potatoes. 2 Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 One format includes all eight teams advancing to the Target Center for a FIVE-DAY tournament? If the goal is to turn a profit on post-season games, that is NOT the way to go about doing it. Yikes. I'm picturing a Wednesday afternoon elimination game between Colorado College and Miami in my head right now...and the attendance is at less than 100. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Considering only one team in the league fans travel would anything change attendance wise? Without UND how many people would have even showed up this year? Quote
fargosioux Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 From a fan perspective, I like the idea of having 6 teams make the tournament, with the play-in games on Thursday. After several years of games starting on Thursday at the Final Five, it was tough losing another day of hockey this year. 1 Quote
runaroundsioux Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Considering only one team in the league fans travel would anything change attendance wise? Without UND how many people would have even showed up this year? About 500. Quote
Goon Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 From a fan perspective, I like the idea of having 6 teams make the tournament, with the play-in games on Thursday. After several years of games starting on Thursday at the Final Five, it was tough losing another day of hockey this year. I like that one as well. Quote
jdub27 Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Not a fan of any change the moves a first round series off of campus. I would think that UND and the REA would tend to agree. Having 6 teams makes it to MSP means no home playoff games unless you end the season in 5th or 6th place. Having all 8 teams go to MSP means no home playoff games for anyone. The league may make slightly more money having all the teams or 6 of the teams make it to the Target Center, but in the long run, I think the majority of schools would lose money eliminating the possibility of 2-3 extra home games per year. Granted, only half the teams get those games a year but even if you only host once ever 2-3 years, I think you'd still come up ahead compared to the slightly higher revenue the conference would generate with an increased field size at the Target Center. While their run of hosting (and winning) first round playoff series won't last for ever, UND has had an extra 25 home games over the last 10 years because of the current format. Quote
Dustin Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 6 teams makes sense from an attendance standpoint. It would be impossible to not have either UND, UMD, or SCSU playing at least one game. And it would be likely that 2 or even all 3 would be there. That should ease attendance nightmares. 1 Quote
sagard Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 If the Big Ten and the NCHC could work something out and hold their tourneys at a single site and share revenue these leagues would have a lot better chance at a successful tourney. As it is now good luck if the Sioux and Gophers aren't playing. Quote
Shawn-O Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 If the Big Ten and the NCHC could work something out and hold their tourneys at a single site and share revenue these leagues would have a lot better chance at a successful tourney. As it is now good luck if the Sioux and Gophers aren't playing. Agreed. You didn't have to be Carnac the Magnificent to see these issues coming with the realignment. Quote
tnt Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 If the Big Ten and the NCHC could work something out and hold their tourneys at a single site and share revenue these leagues would have a lot better chance at a successful tourney. As it is now good luck if the Sioux and Gophers aren't playing. True, but would the egos get in the way of that, and would the Big Ten demand a bigger cut? You now also run into the question again of who gets the night game. Wish they could rotate those type of concerns, because I enjoy watching good hockey regardless, and it is always fun to cheer against the gophers, and I'm sure Minnesota fans would get a kick cheering against the Sioux again. You be the mediator Sagard and get it done. Quote
siouxforcefans Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Honestly, I liked this year's format better than having a play-in game. Let's get those top 4 teams together, have 4 quality games, and crown a champion. I enjoyed the Final Five, but this is a new conference and trying to replicate that... well, I'd rather just move forward. There's also a financial aspect for the fans. That play-in game, which I might not care much about, means the ticket package price increases. Going to Msp a day earlier means an extra day of vacation used, an extra night in the hotel, extra meals/entertainment in Msp, etc. That play-in could easily cost my family an extra $300+ (if I eat and play like this year's tourney) and I can only imagine what it does for a larger group. Are there cheaper options? Individual tickets? Sure, but those options may also make attending less appealing. 2 Quote
tnt Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 One format includes all eight teams advancing to the Target Center for a FIVE-DAY tournament? If the goal is to turn a profit on post-season games, that is NOT the way to go about doing it. Yikes. I'm picturing a Wednesday afternoon elimination game between Colorado College and Miami in my head right now...and the attendance is at less than 100. Yeah, don't think there are going to be too many package deals sold in that scenario. It would almost be like two separate tournaments, the one before all the fans come, and the one after. Quote
southpaw Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 The conference pays for travel for all teams for the conference tournament and the first round. By going to just two first round series you're saving money that can be used to bring more teams to Minneapolis which will help make more $$$. Quote
Snake Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I liked the Thursday start of the Final Five also. In fact, we scheduled the extra night in Minneapolis this year just for fun! The NCHC could give the top 2 teams first-round byes, have the bottom six play best-of-three series, and then have a tourney format like the old Final Five with a single Thursday night play-in game. Quote
dagies Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 From a fan perspective, I like the idea of having 6 teams make the tournament, with the play-in games on Thursday. After several years of games starting on Thursday at the Final Five, it was tough losing another day of hockey this year. From a fan perspective I like that. I don't like it if my team has to play 3 games and then play in the NCAA's 5-6 days later. Quote
tnt Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 The conference pays for travel for all teams for the conference tournament and the first round. By going to just two first round series you're saving money that can be used to bring more teams to Minneapolis which will help make more $$$. Does the league get any proceeds from those first round games? Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I think it's way too early to start panicking over the performance (or lack thereof) of the NCHC Tournament. I think after 5 years, we can make an honest assessment of how the tournament is doing and, if needed, make necessary changes. Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I think it's way too early to start panicking over the performance (or lack thereof) of the NCHC Tournament. I think after 5 years, we can make an honest assessment of how the tournament is doing and, if needed, make necessary changes. I agree. Changing the format after year one is clearly a panic-button move if it goes thru. Wait for the Big 6 to admit its big success was actually an epic fail. Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 If the Big Ten and the NCHC could work something out and hold their tourneys at a single site and share revenue these leagues would have a lot better chance at a successful tourney. As it is now good luck if the Sioux and Gophers aren't playing. Devils advocate here...why would the NCHC want to partner up with the conference that led to the demise of the WCHA as we knew it? I'd prefer to see the NCHC join forces with the new WCHA for a Thursday-Saturday hockey bonanza at Target Center. 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Devils advocate here...why would the NCHC want to partner up with the conference that led to the demise of the WCHA as we knew it? I'd prefer to see the NCHC join forces with the new WCHA for a Thursday-Saturday hockey bonanza at Target Center. THAT would stick it in the face of the Big 6 (oops, I mean Big 10)! Quote
Siouxman Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 The NCHC needs to have four more teams so that there can be a first round playoff on campus for the top six seeds, then six teams make the tournament. . . . . oh wait . . . . we had that and called it the WCHA Final Five. The P1G didn't like that it wasn't their's so they messed it all up. Quote
runaroundsioux Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 The NCHC realized that UND has to be at the Frozen Faceoff. I think these possible changes are designed to make sure that happens. They realize if CC would have knocked us off, it would have been a disaster. Call it the North Dakota rule. 1 Quote
southpaw Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Does the league get any proceeds from those first round games? A majority of it, yes. The schools get a little bit of money but it's not as much as a regular season series. Quote
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