Time to Fire Dave Hakstol....

[jdub27]

I'd love to see that but I can't access his block it says the site is unavailable.

Here's the list from his blog post:

NCAA top offensive teams (2004 to Feb. 12, 2014)

1. Boston College

2. Michigan

3. North Dakota

4. Minnesota

5. Mercyhurst

6. New Hampshire

7. Miami

8. Denver

9. RIT

10. Niagara

11. St. Cloud State

12. Yale

13t. Omaha

13t. Quinnipiac

15. Boston University

16. Air Force

17. Colorado College

18. Wisconsin

19t. Dartmouth

19t. Duluth

21. Maine

22. Mankato

23t. St. Lawrence

23t. Union

25t. Bemidji State

25t. Ohio State

27. Holy Cross

28. UMass-Lowell

29. Robert Morris

30t. Colgate

30t. Ferris State

32. Notre Dame

33. Cornell

34t. Clarkson

34t. Sacred Heart

36. Michigan State

37. Bentley

38. Princeton

39t. Canisius

39t. Harvard

41t. Western Michigan

41t. Northern Michigan

41t. Northeastern

44. UMass

45. UConn

46. Wayne State (limited sample)

47. RPI 48. Vermont

49. Penn State (limited sample)

50. Providence

51. Findlay (limited sample)

52. Brown

53t. Bowling Green

53t. Lake Superior State

55t. Anchorage

55t. Fairbanks

57t. Army

57t. Merrimack

59. Michigan Tech

60t. American International

60t. Huntsville

[Blackheart]

Yeah, seems like they've been somewhat successful scoring under the "Hak System"

More GF Herald propaganda...

[siouxweet]

Here's the list from his blog post:

thanks.

[jdub27]

BTW in 32 games this year included are 4 exhibitions, UND has scored 3 or less 21 times. 2 goals or less 11 times.

UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W.

[siouxweet]

UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W.

interesting, as several years ago scoring 4 goals was the magic number.

[jdub27]

UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W.

On the defensive side, UND is 16-0-2 when giving up 2 goals or less, 3-5-1 when giving up 3 goals and 0-5-0 when giving up more than 3 goals.

My review of the statistics tell me that if they can give up 2 goals or less and score at least 3 the rest of the year, this thread can die...

[siouxweet]

On the defensive side, UND is 16-0-2 when giving up 2 goals or less, 3-5-1 when giving up 3 goals and 0-5-0 when giving up more than 3 goals.

so what the stats reveal is 3-2 is the magic score in UND's favor

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

so what the stats reveal is 3-2 is the magic score in UND's favor

Also, statistics show if we score more and give up less we win more often.

[Snake]

I'm curious to know the trend, not just what the slug of data from the past 10 years tells us their overall ranking has been. I asked Brad on the blog, so maybe he can provide the information.

I'd like to see a chart of "Offensive Rank vs. Season" to see if our #3 ranking has held steady over the past 5 seasons, or if there is any indication of a trend downward.

If it is indeed trending downward my guess is it would be more indicative of a relative talent decrease rather than the system all of a sudden not producing results.

[geaux_sioux]

Schloss has a blog piece and comments on Hak's "system" offensively and that from '04 forward UND is 3rd nationally in overall scoring. Guess that blows my issue of Hak running too tight a system at times of of the water.

BTW in 32 games this year included are 4 exhibitions, UND has scored 3 or less 21 times. 2 goals or less 11 times.

Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it.

[Irish]

Here's the list from his blog post:

Hmmm - several possibilities - those of us who hate the dump and chase as a constant philosophy are wrong,

or - in some years (Toews, Oshie, Duncan, Boshinski, Parise) we had so much talent we would have scored under any system - who knows, maybe we would have scored a lot more goals then with a more open system,

or the dump and chase isn't suited for every team and skill set we have - works great with some, not as great with others,

or the dump and chase system is becoming more rigid as time goes by - how long did it take us to carry in the puck during power plays - the first time we did it against Miami we scored. Since we don't have two sets of data - one where we dump and chase and one where we don't, its hard to know what this means.

[tnt]

Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it.

Wouldn't he have to play a more defensive system with less talented players? You know Oshie and Toews weren't as dominant in their first years as Irmen and Potulny were, and they didn't automatically make the Frozen Four.

[siouxweet]

Wouldn't he have to play a more defensive system with less talented players? You know Oshie and Toews weren't as dominant in their first years as Irmen and Potulny were, and they didn't automatically make the Frozen Four.

there have also been some gopher teams in hakstol's tenure that have as talented as some of those earlier teams and minny didn't make many frozen fours and they play a more open style. talent alone doesn't guarantee success, just ask miami this year.

[Snake]

Here is what Brad posted in the comments about UND's offensive rank by season:

Not particularly. UND’s national rank in offense under Hakstol goes: 25, 4, 6, 16, 7, 14, 2, 11, 8.

Irony? Hak's "worst" scoring team is the only one to make the title game.

[SiouxTupa]

Hmmm - several possibilities - those of us who hate the dump and chase as a constant philosophy are wrong,

or - in some years (Toews, Oshie, Duncan, Boshinski, Parise) we had so much talent we would have scored under any system - who knows, maybe we would have scored a lot more goals then with a more open system,

or the dump and chase isn't suited for every team and skill set we have - works great with some, not as great with others,

or the dump and chase system is becoming more rigid as time goes by - how long did it take us to carry in the puck during power plays - the first time we did it against Miami we scored. Since we don't have two sets of data - one where we dump and chase and one where we don't, its hard to know what this means.

Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it.

Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it.

As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes.

[fightingsioux4life]

Go back and re-read what I wrote. No where did I say what you were saying wasn't accurate or relevant, I said it was personal opinions and hindsight. Or maybe I should just say you were using the "Fire Hak" crowd talking points, but I was giving you a little more credit than that.

Okay, that is fair.

[Goon]

Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it.

As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes.

Exactly, go watch an NHL game, all teams play a dump and chase... Hard not to use the dump and chase if a team is trapping against you.

[scpa0305]

Exactly, go watch an NHL game, all teams play a dump and chase... Hard not to use the dump and chase if a team is trapping against you.

You are correct, every team plays that way because in the NHL they are all gladiators and there is no room to get too cute.

[bigskyvikes]

Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it.

You cannot seriously believe this?

[bigskyvikes]

Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it.

*****You can't tell them that, all they want to do is blame Hak for it. Someone on here even posted a video to explain how the opposing team dictates if you use the dump and chase, but the haters wouldn't buy that!****** this is by bigskyvikes.

As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes.

Exactly! Funny how he can blame Hak for failures but Hak sure had nothing to do with the success! That is insane!

[Goon]

You are correct, every team plays that way because in the NHL they are all gladiators and there is no room to get too cute.

College has become the same way. Line up at the blue line.

[Godsmack]

but to get to denver they beat miaimi in worcester(sp) to get there. and in the only time I can recall in the last 10 plus years they have had to travel west for a regional they got smoked by CCin St. Louis in 2011.

just sayin...

What a great win that was for CC! 8-4 if I recall. Unfortunately we scored most of our goals that game and had too little left for Michigan the next night!

[hrkac]

College has become the same way. Line up at the blue line.

UNO was a great example of that. UND teams that Blais coached never played that way.

[Goon]

UNO was a great example of that. UND teams that Blais coached never played that way.

There you go again, adding facts to the argument..

[geaux_sioux]

You cannot seriously believe this?

The amount of talent on some of his teams is almost sickening. High round draft picks up the ass. First rounders on the 4th line. Studs all over the ice.