jdub27 Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 I'd love to see that but I can't access his block it says the site is unavailable. Here's the list from his blog post: NCAA top offensive teams (2004 to Feb. 12, 2014) 1. Boston College 2. Michigan 3. North Dakota 4. Minnesota 5. Mercyhurst 6. New Hampshire 7. Miami 8. Denver 9. RIT 10. Niagara 11. St. Cloud State 12. Yale 13t. Omaha 13t. Quinnipiac 15. Boston University 16. Air Force 17. Colorado College 18. Wisconsin 19t. Dartmouth 19t. Duluth 21. Maine 22. Mankato 23t. St. Lawrence 23t. Union 25t. Bemidji State 25t. Ohio State 27. Holy Cross 28. UMass-Lowell 29. Robert Morris 30t. Colgate 30t. Ferris State 32. Notre Dame 33. Cornell 34t. Clarkson 34t. Sacred Heart 36. Michigan State 37. Bentley 38. Princeton 39t. Canisius 39t. Harvard 41t. Western Michigan 41t. Northern Michigan 41t. Northeastern 44. UMass 45. UConn 46. Wayne State (limited sample) 47. RPI 48. Vermont 49. Penn State (limited sample) 50. Providence 51. Findlay (limited sample) 52. Brown 53t. Bowling Green 53t. Lake Superior State 55t. Anchorage 55t. Fairbanks 57t. Army 57t. Merrimack 59. Michigan Tech 60t. American International 60t. Huntsville
Blackheart Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Yeah, seems like they've been somewhat successful scoring under the "Hak System" More GF Herald propaganda...
siouxweet Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Here's the list from his blog post: thanks.
jdub27 Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 BTW in 32 games this year included are 4 exhibitions, UND has scored 3 or less 21 times. 2 goals or less 11 times. UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W.
siouxweet Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W. interesting, as several years ago scoring 4 goals was the magic number.
jdub27 Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 UND is 0-8-2 when scoring 2 goals or less, 8-2-1 when scoring 3 goals and 11-0-0 when scoring more than 3 goals. Looks like we know exactly what this team needs to put on the scoreboard if they want a W. On the defensive side, UND is 16-0-2 when giving up 2 goals or less, 3-5-1 when giving up 3 goals and 0-5-0 when giving up more than 3 goals. My review of the statistics tell me that if they can give up 2 goals or less and score at least 3 the rest of the year, this thread can die...
siouxweet Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 On the defensive side, UND is 16-0-2 when giving up 2 goals or less, 3-5-1 when giving up 3 goals and 0-5-0 when giving up more than 3 goals. so what the stats reveal is 3-2 is the magic score in UND's favor 2
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 so what the stats reveal is 3-2 is the magic score in UND's favor Also, statistics show if we score more and give up less we win more often.
Snake Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 I'm curious to know the trend, not just what the slug of data from the past 10 years tells us their overall ranking has been. I asked Brad on the blog, so maybe he can provide the information. I'd like to see a chart of "Offensive Rank vs. Season" to see if our #3 ranking has held steady over the past 5 seasons, or if there is any indication of a trend downward. If it is indeed trending downward my guess is it would be more indicative of a relative talent decrease rather than the system all of a sudden not producing results.
geaux_sioux Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Schloss has a blog piece and comments on Hak's "system" offensively and that from '04 forward UND is 3rd nationally in overall scoring. Guess that blows my issue of Hak running too tight a system at times of of the water. BTW in 32 games this year included are 4 exhibitions, UND has scored 3 or less 21 times. 2 goals or less 11 times. Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it.
Irish Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Here's the list from his blog post: Hmmm - several possibilities - those of us who hate the dump and chase as a constant philosophy are wrong, or - in some years (Toews, Oshie, Duncan, Boshinski, Parise) we had so much talent we would have scored under any system - who knows, maybe we would have scored a lot more goals then with a more open system, or the dump and chase isn't suited for every team and skill set we have - works great with some, not as great with others, or the dump and chase system is becoming more rigid as time goes by - how long did it take us to carry in the puck during power plays - the first time we did it against Miami we scored. Since we don't have two sets of data - one where we dump and chase and one where we don't, its hard to know what this means.
tnt Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it. Wouldn't he have to play a more defensive system with less talented players? You know Oshie and Toews weren't as dominant in their first years as Irmen and Potulny were, and they didn't automatically make the Frozen Four.
siouxweet Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Wouldn't he have to play a more defensive system with less talented players? You know Oshie and Toews weren't as dominant in their first years as Irmen and Potulny were, and they didn't automatically make the Frozen Four. there have also been some gopher teams in hakstol's tenure that have as talented as some of those earlier teams and minny didn't make many frozen fours and they play a more open style. talent alone doesn't guarantee success, just ask miami this year.
Snake Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Here is what Brad posted in the comments about UND's offensive rank by season: Not particularly. UND’s national rank in offense under Hakstol goes: 25, 4, 6, 16, 7, 14, 2, 11, 8. Irony? Hak's "worst" scoring team is the only one to make the title game.
SiouxTupa Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Hmmm - several possibilities - those of us who hate the dump and chase as a constant philosophy are wrong, or - in some years (Toews, Oshie, Duncan, Boshinski, Parise) we had so much talent we would have scored under any system - who knows, maybe we would have scored a lot more goals then with a more open system, or the dump and chase isn't suited for every team and skill set we have - works great with some, not as great with others, or the dump and chase system is becoming more rigid as time goes by - how long did it take us to carry in the puck during power plays - the first time we did it against Miami we scored. Since we don't have two sets of data - one where we dump and chase and one where we don't, its hard to know what this means. Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it. Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it. As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes.
fightingsioux4life Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Go back and re-read what I wrote. No where did I say what you were saying wasn't accurate or relevant, I said it was personal opinions and hindsight. Or maybe I should just say you were using the "Fire Hak" crowd talking points, but I was giving you a little more credit than that. Okay, that is fair.
Goon Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it. As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes. Exactly, go watch an NHL game, all teams play a dump and chase... Hard not to use the dump and chase if a team is trapping against you.
scpa0305 Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Exactly, go watch an NHL game, all teams play a dump and chase... Hard not to use the dump and chase if a team is trapping against you. You are correct, every team plays that way because in the NHL they are all gladiators and there is no room to get too cute.
bigskyvikes Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Look who the players were though. He's had so much talent that he could've just let them play and they'd have gotten to frozen fours on talent alone. System had nothing to do with their success but it has a lot to do with the failures of less talented teams that can't overcome it. You cannot seriously believe this?
bigskyvikes Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Every team runs the dump and chase when the situation calls for it. *****You can't tell them that, all they want to do is blame Hak for it. Someone on here even posted a video to explain how the opposing team dictates if you use the dump and chase, but the haters wouldn't buy that!****** this is by bigskyvikes. As long as the coach and his "systems" take the blame for failures, they deserve some credit for successes. Exactly! Funny how he can blame Hak for failures but Hak sure had nothing to do with the success! That is insane!
Goon Posted February 20, 2014 Author Posted February 20, 2014 You are correct, every team plays that way because in the NHL they are all gladiators and there is no room to get too cute. College has become the same way. Line up at the blue line.
Godsmack Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 but to get to denver they beat miaimi in worcester(sp) to get there. and in the only time I can recall in the last 10 plus years they have had to travel west for a regional they got smoked by CCin St. Louis in 2011. just sayin... What a great win that was for CC! 8-4 if I recall. Unfortunately we scored most of our goals that game and had too little left for Michigan the next night!
hrkac Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 College has become the same way. Line up at the blue line. UNO was a great example of that. UND teams that Blais coached never played that way. 1
Goon Posted February 20, 2014 Author Posted February 20, 2014 UNO was a great example of that. UND teams that Blais coached never played that way. There you go again, adding facts to the argument..
geaux_sioux Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 You cannot seriously believe this? The amount of talent on some of his teams is almost sickening. High round draft picks up the ass. First rounders on the 4th line. Studs all over the ice.
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