forumcrew Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Can we revisit this awesome quote from chewey for a second? "Fullerton admits that the WAC badly wants Big Sky schools. If UND was available, the WAC would instantly accept UND " Quote
homer Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 It doesn't seem like it when you read some of the comments on here. I mean, getting invited to the WAC? Are some of you smoking crack? Holy sh*t If your basing the entire fanbase on 3 or 4 people posting on this forum you may want to go back and police your own fan board. I mean, getting invited to the Big12? 1 Quote
Fetch Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 When are some of you sheep going to take Sioux out of your online name ? Quote
bincitysioux Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 When are some of you sheep going to take Sioux out of your online name ? Are we not the Fighting Sioux? 1 Quote
bincitysioux Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 ................Berreiro is your hero & you respect his oppinion It will make the yes vote a landslide It likely will be a landslide............ And like Berreiro, I pity the fool that supports this measure......................... Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 When are some of you sheep going to take Sioux out of your online name ? I graduated from the University of North Dakota in 1982 as a proud supporter of the University of North Dakota Sioux. I'm pretty sure my screen name is historically accurate. If I were graduating at some time in the future and the school is using a different name I would probably incorporate that name into my screen name. Notice I used University of North Dakota first, and used it multiple times. That is the important name in the equation. 1 Quote
iramurphy Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Can we revisit this awesome quote from chewey for a second? "Fullerton admits that the WAC badly wants Big Sky schools. If UND was available, the WAC would instantly accept UND " UND needs to be preparing for this possibility. We saw what happened when we weren't ready to move to D1AA in the 1970's and what happened when we weren't ready to move when the AC and SDSU moved before we did. The AC needs to do the same and in fact I think the AC, SDSU, and USD need to keep an eye on the Big Sky. UND will need to forget the past crap and help them make the move if and when the opportunity arises. If Wyoming can play in the WAC UND and the AC can. Just need to pick up the pace and start engaging with the Billionare Alumni. Look what Ralph did for UND. We have a couple more alumni with those resources. Gotta start thinking outside the box and rather than find excuses not to move we need to look for opportunites. We can always say no, but we can't miss opportunites becasue we aren't thinking ahead and lack of preparation means it won't happen. 1 Quote
petey23 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 So, here is a question that I have not seen come up in this thread, yet... What if... the repeal initiative goes to a vote. The state votes it down, because we are afraid of what it means to UND with the NCAA and especially the Big Sky. BUT, there is a two-thirds approval in BOTH of the reservation precincts, such as Sioux and Benson Counties? Would the people who are supposedly supporting the rights of native americans in Indianapolis listen to the native vote or the statewide (mostly white) vote, since they are doing this FOR the native americans? Would someone who has a better grasp of the legal side of what is going on here have any ideas? The other side of the coin on a statewide vote is that due to the possible circumstances, the vote may fail or be close and give the PC Nazis more ammunition. Quote
PhillySioux Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Duane Espegard says, But let’s say the proponents are wrong and, indeed, the NCAA puts you under sanctions. The Big Sky says, ‘This is not going to work for us and you can’t be part of us.’ And the schools that said they wouldn’t schedule us hold to that Wisconsin already indicated its intent to continue playing UND post 2013 to 2014. Minnesota will do the same. It's failure to say anything in response to SL's letter request is indicative of a school who has had representatives say too much already. Too much money involved and there is a sizable component of UND grads in the Twin Cities. Until this year, the hockey arena was a cemetery, unless the Sioux or the Badgers were in town, and the football stadium has been nothing short of a kasota stone mausoleum. In part, it will never be a Camp Randall stadium because of where it's located. In another part, it will never be one because the Gophers just suck in FB and probably will for the foreseeable future. They're going to need "puffs" from the lower-tier D1 schools to beat up on but even that strategy has not worked to garner a token 2 or 3 wins given the U's experience with NDSU. Maybe they wont want to schedule UND because then they'd lose to 2 ND schools instead of 1. Now, they're going to need to schedule my alma matter, St. John's, or even St. Thomas to get them evidently. Better yet, they're going to need to schedule Hamline or Macalester. They're already hurting for attendance and wins and can't afford the luxury of nitpicking nicknames. Below are the policies of UW and UM. There have been games scheduled with UW when we were off sanction list. We are now back on. They may or may not cancel scheduled games. They surely will not schedule new ones. The state of Wisconsin passed a law banning high school native nicknames for cripes sake. http://www.lssaa.wis...s/policy07.html http://www1.umn.edu/...rimination.html The jibberish about TCF Stadium being empty is ridiculous. in 2010, Minnesota averaged 49,513 bodies. It holds 50,805. That's 97 percent of capacity with one of the worst teams in the history of the BigTen. Your are an entertaining writer, but stop making up BS. 2 Quote
homer Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Below are the policies of UW and UM. There have been games scheduled with UW when we were off sanction list. We are now back on. They may or may not cancel scheduled games. They surely will not schedule new ones. The state of Wisconsin passed a law banning high school native nicknames for cripes sake. http://www.lssaa.wis...s/policy07.html http://www1.umn.edu/...rimination.html The jibberish about TCF Stadium being empty is ridiculous. in 2010, Minnesota averaged 49,513 bodies. It holds 50,805. That's 97 percent of capacity with one of the worst teams in the history of the BigTen. Your are an entertaining writer, but stop making up BS. They won't listen to facts, they only discredit their stories. Quote
UNDBIZ Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 They won't listen to facts, they only discredit their stories. SayAnything blog told them it was true so it must be 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 They won't listen to facts, they only discredit their stories delusional fantasies. FIFY. Quote
Teeder11 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Way to Fight for your Name We're fighting for our school. This is a blind spot for you. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. 2 Quote
jdub27 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Way to Fight for your Name Most of us are. We are fighting for the University of North Dakota. It is blatantly obvious you aren't. Quote
ksixpack Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Folks, remember the Big Sky is a business. Plain and simple they, like all businesses, are out to make a profit. Fullerton said that UND will compete in the Big Sky next year but if they become a non-viable member of the BIg Sky at some point they could be voted out. We will be in the Big Sky. He said so on tape yesterday. Look at it like this...if you owned a business and had an employee that led a life style away from the office that you didn't care for but he was one of your top producers and made the company big money and minded his P's and Q's while at work would you fire him? Of course not. He would probably only be fired if his sales eroded to the point where he was not an asset to the company. Fullerton basically said the same thing yesterday. I highly doubt UND would ever become a non-viable member of the Big Sky. Fullerton runs a business, the Big Sky, and UND is coming on board as a recruited member. Fullerton said they are taking a wait and see approach. They brought UND in because they believed UND could be a viable member of the Big Sky and make the conference money. It's all about the money. It always has been and always will be! UND is very attractive to the Big Sky for many reasons, but first and foremost is the money it could generate the conference. Does the Big Sky need UND more than UND need the Big Sky? Hell no, but they see the potential for making money from UND being a member. UND will be a very competitive member. Even though we just went through the tough D1 transition we are already better than 80% of the FSC football programs and both men’s and women’s basketball are ready for the Big Sky with the future looking very bright as is all of our sports programs. Our facilities would probably be the best in the Big Sky. Our fan base is large and full of passion. Sure Fullerton is tired of the nickname issue but at the same time he has to be intrigued by the fact that the whole state is weighing in on the issue and there is so much passion behind it. Ask any sports franchise and they will tell you that apathy will lead to demise...well we certainly don't have apathy for our sports programs here at UND! We have our own sports network that has games picked up nationally which is a huge asset for UND and Fullerton and the rest of the Big Sky see that. No other current teams in the Big Sky have the exposer that UND does on the national stage. That is a fact and NCAA sanctions will not interrupt this exposer. In addition, academically our school is also very attractive to the Big Sky. We have a medical school, law school, and the top aerospace school in the nation. UND's research programs and alumni foundation are raking in the money. The Big Sky presidents love what we have to offer as an academic partner. In addition, North Dakota, the state is on a big time roll. The oil boom and economic vitality of the state is best in the nation right now. Yes we are 600 miles east from the rest of the conference but that is uncharted territory for the Big Sky. UND's footprint reaches all the way to the Twin Cities. That new exposer for the Big Sky is a good thing. Example, UND is talked about daily on KFAN and written about daily in the Twin Cities newspapers. Is the Big Sky? I don't remember the last time anyone on KFAN broke down the competition in the Big Sky Conference. Fullerton and his members see this as new exposer. As a business you like that new exposer. You like the fact that UND's hockey team is a national power and gets lots of publicity. Exposer equals money. Bottom line is economics. As long as UND makes the Big Sky money UND will be a member. The sanctions from the NCAA are not enough to cripple UND where it is not an asset to the Big Sky. They will have no trouble filling out the rest of the minimal non-conference schedules, fans will continue to support UND and probably more so now that the will of the people is being heard, and I believe that the will of the people will prevail and the NCAA will at some point hear the state of North Dakota loud and clear and will give in...and if they don't...well f#ck 'em! 3 Quote
dmksioux Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Folks, remember the Big Sky is a business. Plain and simple they, like all businesses, are out to make a profit. Fullerton said that UND will compete in the Big Sky next year but if they become a non-viable member of the BIg Sky at some point they could be voted out. We will be in the Big Sky. He said so on tape yesterday. Look at it like this...if you owned a business and had an employee that led a life style away from the office that you didn't care for but he was one of your top producers and made the company big money and minded his P's and Q's while at work would you fire him? Of course not. He would probably only be fired if his sales eroded to the point where he was not an asset to the company. Fullerton basically said the same thing yesterday. I highly doubt UND would ever become a non-viable member of the Big Sky. Fullerton runs a business, the Big Sky, and UND is coming on board as a recruited member. Fullerton said they are taking a wait and see approach. They brought UND in because they believed UND could be a viable member of the Big Sky and make the conference money. It's all about the money. It always has been and always will be! UND is very attractive to the Big Sky for many reasons, but first and foremost is the money it could generate the conference. Does the Big Sky need UND more than UND need the Big Sky? Hell no, but they see the potential for making money from UND being a member. UND will be a very competitive member. Even though we just went through the tough D1 transition we are already better than 80% of the FSC football programs and both men’s and women’s basketball are ready for the Big Sky with the future looking very bright as is all of our sports programs. Our facilities would probably be the best in the Big Sky. Our fan base is large and full of passion. Sure Fullerton is tired of the nickname issue but at the same time he has to be intrigued by the fact that the whole state is weighing in on the issue and there is so much passion behind it. Ask any sports franchise and they will tell you that apathy will lead to demise...well we certainly don't have apathy for our sports programs here at UND! We have our own sports network that has games picked up nationally which is a huge asset for UND and Fullerton and the rest of the Big Sky see that. No other current teams in the Big Sky have the exposer that UND does on the national stage. That is a fact and NCAA sanctions will not interrupt this exposer. In addition, academically our school is also very attractive to the Big Sky. We have a medical school, law school, and the top aerospace school in the nation. UND's research programs and alumni foundation are raking in the money. The Big Sky presidents love what we have to offer as an academic partner. In addition, North Dakota, the state is on a big time roll. The oil boom and economic vitality of the state is best in the nation right now. Yes we are 600 miles east from the rest of the conference but that is uncharted territory for the Big Sky. UND's footprint reaches all the way to the Twin Cities. That new exposer for the Big Sky is a good thing. Example, UND is talked about daily on KFAN and written about daily in the Twin Cities newspapers. Is the Big Sky? I don't remember the last time anyone on KFAN broke down the competition in the Big Sky Conference. Fullerton and his members see this as new exposer. As a business you like that new exposer. You like the fact that UND's hockey team is a national power and gets lots of publicity. Exposer equals money. Bottom line is economics. As long as UND makes the Big Sky money UND will be a member. The sanctions from the NCAA are not enough to cripple UND where it is not an asset to the Big Sky. They will have no trouble filling out the rest of the minimal non-conference schedules, fans will continue to support UND and probably more so now that the will of the people is being heard, and I believe that the will of the people will prevail and the NCAA will at some point hear the state of North Dakota loud and clear and will give in...and if they don't...well f#ck 'em! There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. For starters, why would Fullerton go on public radio and basically say the exact opposite of everything you are "assuming" he would do? The tv deal with FSC expires before we even enter the Big Sky and it basically only shows hockey games...which the Big Sky doesn't offer. Btw, Northern Arizona, BSC member, also has a contract with FCS and carries their games...that the BSC actually sponsors. And the University system, NCAA isn't a business and aren't run by business minded people. They are run by "educated, PC correct" presidents. They are the ones making the decisions. They don't care what the average North Dakotan thinks because most of them haven't been "educated" like they have. Quote
ksixpack Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. For starters, why would Fullerton go on public radio and basically say the exact opposite of everything you are "assuming" he would do? The tv deal with FSC expires before we even enter the Big Sky and it basically only shows hockey games...which the Big Sky doesn't offer. Btw, Northern Arizona, BSC member, also has a contract with FCS and carries their games...that the BSC actually sponsors. And the University system, NCAA isn't a business and aren't run by business minded people. They are run by "educated, PC correct" presidents. They are the ones making the decisions. They don't care what the average North Dakotan thinks because most of them haven't been "educated" like they have. What? Get a clue! The Big Sky conference like all other conferences are a for profit organization. They pay Fullerton's salary. The more money BSC makes more money Fullerton makes. Fullerton could care less about the nickname and has said so publically. He just wants it resolved. Why? Because he sees UND as an asset to his company. If we are under NCAA sanctions we would stand to make less money for the conference (i.e. road football playoff games). To him less money is not good. He is protecting his asset and wants to be able to get as much money out of it as he can. As long as we make money for the conference (and we will with or without NCAA sanctions) we are good but more is better and that is why he wants this resolved. Always follow the money and you will see the answer! Quote
dmksioux Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 What? Get a clue! The Big Sky conference like all other conferences are a for profit organization. They pay Fullerton's salary. The more money BSC makes more money Fullerton makes. Fullerton could care less about the nickname and has said so publically. He just wants it resolved. Why? Because he sees UND as an asset to his company. If we are under NCAA sanctions we would stand to make less money for the conference (i.e. road football playoff games). To him less money is not good. He is protecting his asset and wants to be able to get as much money out of it as he can. As long as we make money for the conference (and we will with or without NCAA sanctions) we are good but more is better and that is why he wants this resolved. Always follow the money and you will see the answer! And who does Fullerton answer to? In other words who is his boss? That would be the Presidents of the universities of the Big Sky. Ultimately, he answers to them and is their voice. Quote
ksixpack Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 And who does Fullerton answer to? In other words who is his boss? That would be the Presidents of the universities of the Big Sky. Ultimately, he answers to them and is their voice. Every president would have to vote us out, that is a fact stated by Fullerton yesterday. Why would they vote us out if we are making the conference money and contributing to their schools bottom line? They voted us in when we were the Fighting SIoux didn't they? Your argument doesn't make much sense. Quote
CAS4127 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Like one of their recorded viewers says between segments "he (Berreiro) is not a mentally stable person" You do know his whole show is to provoke controversy & get callers to call in plus they are Gopher Fans OMG, are you effing kidding me???!!!! Wow do rank Portly Rob (aka Rob Port) then. That is all he is doing as well, yet many of you follow blindly all of his BS!!! I mean, check out his resume-->he holds himself out as a "professional contrarian"? Do you know what that means??!!! Do you really think he has UND in his bests interests, or is he promoting his best interests by being involved in a controversial issue that will get viewers to his idiotic, myopic blog page??!!! C'mon man!!! Quote
ScottM Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Every president would have to vote us out, that is a fact stated by Fullerton yesterday. Why would they vote us out if we are making the conference money and contributing to their schools bottom line? They voted us in when we were the Fighting SIoux didn't they? Your argument doesn't make much sense. To date, UND has contributed nothing to the BSC, not even an entry fee. And UND may be bringing potential baggage with the Sioux moniker, especially if the NC$$ decides to "counsel them". Quote
homer Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 Every president would have to vote us out, that is a fact stated by Fullerton yesterday. Why would they vote us out if we are making the conference money and contributing to their schools bottom line? They voted us in when we were the Fighting SIoux didn't they? Your argument doesn't make much sense. You do understand there will be a lot of cost associated to having UND in the conference? Also, when they voted us in as Fighting Sioux we had a travel partner that was within bus trip distance away. In case you haven't been following that travel partner isn't there anymore. They are willing to work with it but its a long way and a nice chunk of change from a lot of those locations to Grand Forks. Quote
ksixpack Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 To date, UND has contributed nothing to the BSC, not even an entry fee. And UND may be bringing potential baggage with the Sioux moniker, especially if the NC$$ decides to "counsel them". 1. UND is not a member yet, duh, but will contribute when they are starting this Fall. 2. Entry fee is do in July and will be paid then 3. NCAA sanctions are well known and on the table...no further "counselling" will exist. We will be a viable member for the Big Sky with or without NCAA santions. Obviously more viable without the santions but still vialble with them. Quote
CAS4127 Posted February 9, 2012 Posted February 9, 2012 There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. For starters, why would Fullerton go on public radio and basically say the exact opposite of everything you are "assuming" he would do? The tv deal with FSC expires before we even enter the Big Sky and it basically only shows hockey games...which the Big Sky doesn't offer. Btw, Northern Arizona, BSC member, also has a contract with FCS and carries their games...that the BSC actually sponsors. And the University system, NCAA isn't a business and aren't run by business minded people. They are run by "educated, PC correct" presidents. They are the ones making the decisions. They don't care what the average North Dakotan thinks because most of them haven't been "educated" like they have. The only thing defending that post is its length!!!! I mean, is he that dimwitted to believe what he posted??!! SRSLY??!! Wow!! Quote
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