Conference Realignments - Take 2

[The Sicatoka]

I'm glad they put the qualifier "G5" on there, because for P5 invites it's "do you bring as much as you take" to the conference (revenue) potluck. See: OU/UT to SEC and USC/UCLA to B1G. 

 

[The Sicatoka]

The following is an excerpt from a ForumComm article about a Fargo radio (Bison 1660) conversation with then-outgoing NDSU president Bresciani: 

Quote

 

"In a town of a quarter of a million people (including the entire Fargo-Moorhead metro area) 
you can only raise so much money and I think we're probably getting near that point, so it's 
not as simple as, 'Well, you'll raise more money if you're FBS.' I don't know that that's the 
case," Bresciani said.

"We'd have to find an affiliation that didn't bankrupt us," Bresciani told the radio station.

"A lot of FBS programs are in real trouble on the cost of the program not being sustained by 
the revenue that is produced by it. So it would, for us, would require a league in that the 
television revenues were substantial, that our fans could still go to away games, that our 
fans would recognize the schools by name and reputation and that the cost would be minimal, 
of any at all, at the end of the day.

"That's a heck of a lot to ask. But for NDSU, we don't believe that we have the wherewithal 
to get into a situation that's going to require a lot of new resources."

"A lot of teams and leagues are getting in trouble with the amount of money being poured 
into athletic programs, which means it's being taken away from other parts of the university 
if it's appropriated dollars," Bresciani said. "I think that's not going to remain a sustainable
 model for a lot of schools at the FCS or FBS level, for that matter. And the Group of Five, 
 in particular, are getting a lot of criticism as to how much appropriated money is being spent 
 to subsidize athletics.

"We're pretty darn healthy. When you consider the money that is being raised for student 
scholarships, and then the formula for funding that we get from the state for those student-athletes,
 we are virtually breaking even on athletics. We are growing our own funds, if you will, to run 
 the athletic program. But that said, if the right opportunity came up -- and right being defined
 as one that wouldn't require a lot of new resources -- we'd have to take a look at it and you 
 always have to be ready.

"When these opportunities come up, they usually don't say, 'Get back to us after six months of 
studying.' It's usually, 'Get back to us this afternoon.' And so you have to be thinking about 
where those opportunities might come up doing your analysis and whether they'd be affordable 
and productive and good for our athletic program. And if the phone rings, be ready."

 

I'd say Bresciani lays out the formula -> " ... would require a league in that the television revenues were substantial, that our fans could still go to away games, that our fans would recognize the schools by name and reputation and that the cost would be minimal, of any at all, ... " 

- "substantial" revenues (for expenses)
- relatively easy (fan) travel
- known rival schools
- "mimimal" cost increases

What's he say four times about a requirement of a potential move to FBS?

-  We'd have to find an affiliation that didn't bankrupt us
-  that our ... cost would be minimal, 
-  we don't believe that we have the wherewithal to get into a situation that's going to require a lot of new resources ...
-  and right being defined as one that wouldn't require a lot of new resources

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

missery state to cusa talk talking again....

[SWSiouxMN]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

missery state to cusa talk talking again....

You know... if they were to leave. That would put the MVFC at 11.

Which mean there would be an opening for 12th...

Maybe a team that is in the footprint of the conference?

Maybe a team that just moved to the FCS?

A team that resides in St. Paul perhaps?

 

[nodak651]

3 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

You know... if they were to leave. That would put the MVFC at 11.

Which mean there would be an opening for 12th...

Maybe a team that is in the footprint of the conference?

Maybe a team that just moved to the FCS?

A team that resides in St. Paul perhaps?

 

Nobody wants St. Thomas offering MN kids FB scholarships.  imo

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Kennesaw State? Really? 4 Dakota schools gotta band together and do something. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

You know... if they were to leave. That would put the MVFC at 11.

Which mean there would be an opening for 12th...

Maybe a team that is in the footprint of the conference?

Maybe a team that just moved to the FCS?

A team that resides in St. Paul perhaps?

 

where's fenton

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

missery state to cusa talk talking again....

i guess the talk is msu to sun belt and kennesaw state to cusa...hard to keep these things straight

and fargo u to ......oh well

[The Sicatoka]

9 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

4 Dakota schools gotta band together and do something. 

Here's again where I look to the Summit/MVFC rep on the NCAA "transformation" committee, namely (former) NDSU president Dean Bresciani. What's he know and telling to Armacost, Cook, and Josh Fenton? 

I know what Bresciani said to Bison 1660 (above) and it's summed up as "beware the cost". 

[SWSiouxMN]

9 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

where's fenton

This one would actually be: Where's Patty

[SWSiouxMN]

10 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Nobody wants St. Thomas offering MN kids FB scholarships.  imo

It's a chance I'm willing to take to make the Valley a better FB conference. 

[The Sicatoka]

FBS in this region has what I'll call the "UND in BSC" problem: The closest FBS G5 schools (MWC, C-USA, SunBelt, MAC) are 700 miles away, and their conferences go out from there. Sound familiar? Sound like "UND in BSC"? 

OK, so full membership is costly (travel) and hurts fan travel. So why not FB-only membership? 

Quote

20.02.9 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football and three women's team sports, including women's basketball.

To a G5 conference that might get poached, a FB-only doesn't help maintain FBS status. You need 8 all-sport members. 

But Bresciani did lay out how it could be done. ->  " ... would require a league in that the television revenues were substantial, that our fans could still go to away games, that our fans would recognize the schools by name and reputation and that the cost would be minimal, of any at all, ... " 

That sounds like "do it yourself" in the upper great plains, but be sure to capture someone in the MSP and DEN markets. 

[The Sicatoka]

28 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

This one would actually be: Where's Patty

It could be Fenton if he declared "Summit League Football". 

[Siouxperfan7]

Here is a map of the current FBS schools.  Seems like there is just one area of the country without an FBS teams.  Hmmmm.  I wonder if there are any schools in that area that could fill the gap!! 

 

 

 

 

[SWSiouxMN]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

It could be Fenton if he declared "Summit League Football". 

Just replace Michael Scott with Josh Fenton and Bankrupcy with Summit League Football.

*Sorry, couldn't resisit. 

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Here is a map of the current FBS schools.  Seems like there is just one area of the country without an FBS teams.  Hmmmm.  I wonder if there are any schools in that area that could fill the gap!! 

 

 

 

 

Wow, talk about “fly over states”

[Kab]

Just listened to an espn guy get asked if ndsu should move up by izzo 

he said it depends on your goals

play For national championship or play the outback whatever bowl on a Tuesday at 3pm

if the upper Midwest did form it’s own conference they would still play in the same type of bowl game

ndsu wouldn’t be happy playing the same teams as they do now during the year, their ego thinks bigger 

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Here is a map of the current FBS schools.  Seems like there is just one area of the country without an FBS teams.  Hmmmm.  I wonder if there are any schools in that area that could fill the gap!! 

 

 

 

 

Drop a pin in at the MT/ND/Canada border point; swing a 600 mile arc: Minnesota and Wyoming

Drop a pin in at Nashville; swing a 600 mile arc; you have everything from MSP to DFW to Orlando to Philly. (It's easier to count what's NOT in that circle.) 

[The Sicatoka]

   

Great idea, wrong line-up.

Close, but wrong. (Mo State wants SunBelt; UNI is questionable at best to want to go west; NM State is going C-USA.) 

https://twitter.com/TheSnowBelt

 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

   

Great idea, wrong line-up.

Close, but wrong. (Mo State wants SunBelt; UNI is questionable at best to want to go west; NM State, really.) 

https://twitter.com/TheSnowBelt

 

Don’t understand the idea of a new conference with NDSU and SDSU without UND and USD. DI in state rival??? Nahhh

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Don’t understand the idea of a new conference with NDSU and SDSU without UND and USD. DI in state rival??? Nahhh

It was done by a ndsu or sdsu fan who's a little spiteful.  

[The Sicatoka]

4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

It was done by a ndsu or sdsu fan who's a little spiteful.  

Which is why conference decisions are made by university presidents. 

[Kab]

8 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Don’t understand the idea of a new conference with NDSU and SDSU without UND and USD. DI in state rival??? Nahhh

They don’t want Und anywhere close to them.  That’s why it should be all sports or non 

[jdub27]

40 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

It was done by a ndsu or sdsu fan who's a little spiteful.  

A little?
It is hilarious watching how far of a reach it would be to actually consider some of the names that get tossed out from those two fan bases all to not have to say USD or UND.

Edit: And this isn't to say that I think UND is going FBS. But they are well ahead of some of the other names that get tossed around (and have already moved or are in the process). And I don't rule out a regional-type scenario where a group of nearby teams find a way to move into the G5. Obviously not allowed given current rules, but the only thing constant is change. And based on geography, it might be the most attainable scenario.

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

A little?
It is hilarious watching how far of a reach it would be to actually consider some of the names that get tossed out from those two fan bases all to not have to say USD or UND.

You mean like Conference-USA bound New Mexico State. (Even some NDSU fans are dubious of that.)