Fire Berry Please!

[siouxkid12]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We are irrelevant nationally. That is the standard around here, fair or not. And that has to change. Because I don't want to have happen to us what happened with Wisconsin at the end of the Eaves era.

I know you have seen me say this but I will say it again. We are irrelevant nationally because we lack a real leader at the top. If we had a true leader that understood what they needed to do to make us relevant, we wouldn't be having this conversation about Berry (or even Bubby when he was the Football coach).

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, siouxkid12 said:

I know you have seen me say this but I will say it again. We are irrelevant nationally because we lack a real leader at the top. If we had a true leader that understood what they needed to do to make us relevant, we wouldn't be having this conversation about Berry (or even Bubby when he was the Football coach).

andrew.armacost@und.edu

[SIOUXELEVENS]

11 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

That is not lost on me either but you can't have just think about it one dimensionally, you have to give credit where its due too. Are you honestly going to sit there and say Berry is a terrible coach? No you aren't because you know he isn't one. 

I have said before awesome guy, great assist coach , not a good head coach. 

[burd]

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

[siouxkid12]

40 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

This is the key to how things matriculate and everybody saves face and offers all parties an "excuse" for portal losses, saves the university money, takes Chaves off the hook, keeps the culture intact, it's just got to be the way.   

NOBODY (except 1 guy's bank account) wins by finishing out next season if players leave, commits de commit, and players don't commit to a coach on the final year of a deal after turbulent times.......season goes worse than this year. Everybody's image is tarnished. Leaves a coach basically calling it a coaching career ..  but probably still making good coin as a scout or consulting. Hockey protects hockey after all.

The midwestern nice thing is to let everyone save face and bow out graciously....

 

but all that speculation doesn't matter after a historic frozen faceoff win and a drive to the frozen 4. 

It doesn't matter if Berry leaves now or next year, players will leave. The only way we won't see a huge mass exodus is if they promote from within, and I am not sure that that is the best decision. We as fans need to be prepared and realistic in the fact that when a new coach does come onboard, the chances of us winning right away will be pretty low. 

[siouxkid12]

7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

andrew.armacost@und.edu

Been sent and the standard response was received.

[siouxkid12]

3 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

Better to be pissed off than pissed on.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

5 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

I’m happy for you. 

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

The attitude that has led to a program with every advantage possible being totally mediocre.  But hey get those selfies at the Ralph for Facebook!!!  

[siouxkid12]

14 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

Are you one of those "true fans"?

[Kab]

Next week at this time will it be happy or bitching , or both 

[tnt]

38 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

So if he gets fired in the next few years, you will be pissed at Chaves?   Are you pissed at Chaves for firing Bubba?   

[tnt]

40 minutes ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

Just curious if you have season tickets. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, burd said:

All you guys repeatedly demanding Berry's head are just angry losers with nothing better to do than waste hours and hours of your time every day biatching on this site.  It pisses me off, is what it does.   

And don't try to deny it.   I monitor these things very closely.  

That is what a message board is for. It's an online water cooler.

If you are fine with things as they are, good for you.

But I am not. And neither are a sizeable number of people on here.

But by all means, go patronize the All Things Fighting Sioux Facebook group. Nothing but duckies and bunnies on there.

[Shawn-O]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

andrew.armacost@und.edu

I’m reading elsewhere that I shouldn’t bother unless I bring an open check book.  

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Shawn-O said:

I’m reading elsewhere that I shouldn’t bother unless I bring an open check book.  

Well, I still think it's worth giving a shot.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:

Plus, UND already runs its athletic programs on a D2 budget.

Interesting take. Don't agree based on money and resources but I'm willing to hear more.
 

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Interesting take. Don't agree based on money and resources but I'm willing to hear more.
 

the money is there ...we just don't where the hell it goes sometimes.

[TNF]

For those in the “give Berry another year (or more) camp”, how do you define success or failure for that timeframe?  Another Penrose?  At least one ncaa win?   Or two?

Trying to answer these questions have moved me into the “time is now” camp.  Getting an NCAA win or two next year would be a starting point but lack of consistency has been another huge struggle. So good enough to get an extension and then what happens if we quickly regress?  The only option to avoid that situation is a short term deal.   Good luck getting recruits with a lame duck coach. It just creates more issues. 

Looking around the NCHC and college hockey as a whole; there is no doubt a handful of coaches have done far far more with much less in this current era.  This isn’t a one year experiment where the team chemistry just didn’t line up.  

And then I go back to never learning from our shortcomings.  Ever since BC beat us in a frozen four over a decade ago, teams have learned UND can’t beat a full ice high-pressure trap.  You don’t have to look any farther than one of the stains on this year’s resume…Bemidji.  If it wasn’t for the pure puck moving abilities of Troy Stetcher and CBS, we’d still be looking for #8.  They succeeded despite our systems not because of them.

I’m not someone who typically blames the coach for everything  but I just don’t see more than a year or two blip of improvement followed by down years. Not the standard we should be comfortable at UND.  And for a lifelong fan, this was the first year I was okay turning off a game or skipping a scheduled weekend in GF.  If I’m willing to tune out so are lots of other fans.  Why wait and let it get worse?  

 

[gfhockey]

We are totally fine not getting home playoffs or ncaa

 

we should only expect ot 1 out of 4 years

 

see hat happens when you don’t get blu chippahs

[brianvf]

13 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

see hat happens when you don’t get blu chippahs

I don't think lack of Blue Chippah players is what hurt us this year.
We have more chippahs than half the teams in the current top 15 of the PWR.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

We need the players we have to play up to their potential and we would be fine. 

[Blackheart]

Gino won 3 Natty's but he ultimately got the ax after some down years in the 90s.  Blaiser did it about right; got out after 10 years, 2 titles and the team was still at the top.  Hakstol was probably the one who doesn't get enough credit; 7 Frozen fours in 11 years but ultimately no natty.  When Philly came calling with a dump truck full of money who could blame him for leaving?  B-rad has had some bad luck with the Covid year cancellation and the 5 OT loss to Duluth after they basically got a pass into the regional final due to that bunch of a$$holes from Michigan.  Also the BU loss in Fargo looms large.  Those were some pretty good teams that could have done more damage but ultimately didn't.  The current streak of one and done in the NCAA's or missing it altogether along with some conference quarterfinal road series definitely raises questions as to the direction of the program.  I'm pretty sure Brad knows they aren't having a great year but is remaining positive to try get a spark going into the playoffs.  Guessing he will come back no matter what happens the remainder of this season, but he knows the results outside of NCHC play haven't been up to par the past few years.  

[Frozen4sioux]

11 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

We need the players we have to play up to their potential and we would be fine. 

I guess this is where my biggest question is raised... way too good of players to perform like this. I don't understand why, many don't, so naturally you look at the common denominator.

Disclaimer: Still a Berry guy, I just don't get what's going on but it feels like it can't continue.   

Ultra Disclaimer: Not a facedouche group moron apologist either.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

I agree too much talent to play like this.