2024-25 ND High School Hockey

[Clark17]

1 hour ago, yzerman19 said:

Marvin Windows AAA LOL!!!  

Good deal - east grease has had some out of towners too though 

[planetearth]

10 hours ago, Wilbur said:

East Grand to state.  3-2 over Marvin Windows AAA.

1-0 RR over Mandan. 

lol. that’s good material right there.

Northern Lakes (Crosby/Ironton/Aitkin/Pequot Lakes) defeats Alexandria in section 6A. Second trip ever to St. Paul for the Lightning.

[BigGame]

16 hours ago, Wilbur said:

What did the Century kid get ejected for?

The story I heard was the WF kid called him a retard and the Century kid replied by calling him a retard back.  I guess that gets you the boot now. 

[Blackheart]

19 minutes ago, BigGame said:

The story I heard was the WF kid called him a retard and the Century kid replied by calling him a retard back.  I guess that gets you the boot now. 

Quite the witty exchange.

[Big Green]

45 minutes ago, BigGame said:

The story I heard was the WF kid called him a retard and the Century kid replied by calling him a retard back.  I guess that gets you the boot now. 

WF kid should have got an extra minor for hitting the Ref in the Face with his stick, intentional or not he needs to control his stick.

 

[iluvdebbies]

24 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

Quite the witty exchange.

Yeah a much better response would have been...."I know you are but what am I"

[Brim006]

Mattern might not get the record now that they won. Tough game tonight and tough game tomorrow whether they win or lose. 7 points to beat the record might be tough. I hadnt seen him play much until the state highlights. Every goal was a breakaway. I was surprised how free he was on 1 of them especially. He legitimately had 1/2 the rink of space on one. Does he score much NOT on fast breaks? He won't be able to rely on that at the next level so that would be a little bit of a concern for long term ceiling for him. 

[siouxweet]

8 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

Yeah a much better response would have been...."I know you are but what am I"

Kids aren't that witty these days.

[Big Green]

4 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Mattern might not get the record now that they won. Tough game tonight and tough game tomorrow whether they win or lose. 7 points to beat the record might be tough. I hadnt seen him play much until the state highlights. Every goal was a breakaway. I was surprised how free he was on 1 of them especially. He legitimately had 1/2 the rink of space on one. Does he score much NOT on fast breaks? He won't be able to rely on that at the next level so that would be a little bit of a concern for long term ceiling for him. 

I've very interested to see how Central handles him tonight.  I know they have played twice and I don't think he did much.  Granted I've only seen him play once, but when his team doesn't have the puck he seems to coast around and not do much.  

No doubt the kid has talent, but sure seems lazy.  Maybe that is the game plan as it seems to work for WF.

 

 

[Frozen4sioux]

3 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

 fMattern might not get the record now that they won. Tough game tonight and tough game tomorrow whether they win or lose. 7 points to beat the record might be tough. I hadnt seen him play much until the state highlights. Every goal was a breakaway. I was surprised how free he was on 1 of them especially. He legitimately had 1/2 the rink of space on one. Does he score much NOT on fast breaks? He won't be able to rely on that at the next level so that would be a little bit of a concern for long term ceiling for him. 

Lot of people calling him out for being nothing but a suckholer , and he is a massive suckhole specialist but it's kinda unfair to label him as only that, he's pretty damn good at finding the puck in the zone too and has scored a ton by being in the right spot. 

He finds the ice that's going to be open and for better or worse thrives in a system where everyone's job is to get him the puck. Not sure how that translates to improving any of their players for the future without him, or beyond, or frankly how it will himself at the next level, but in the shallow wading pool of talent that ND high school hockey is; It sure as hell works.

But he is a very talented stick handler, skater, and scorer with great hockey sense.

But if they bring back the two-line pass rule.....     gunna be a tough go.

[SiouxBoys]

2 hours ago, BigGame said:

The story I heard was the WF kid called him a retard and the Century kid replied by calling him a retard back.  I guess that gets you the boot now. 

Almost a 100% chance the story you heard isn't correct.

[BigGame]

17 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Almost a 100% chance the story you heard isn't correct.

Well, the kid could be lying or the the ref could have misheard. 

[90siouxfan]

2 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Lot of people calling him out for being nothing but a suckholer , and he is a massive suckhole specialist but it's kinda unfair to label him as only that, he's pretty damn good at finding the puck in the zone too and has scored a ton by being in the right spot. 

He finds the ice that's going to be open and for better or worse thrives in a system where everyone's job is to get him the puck. Not sure how that translates to improving any of their players for the future without him, or beyond, or frankly how it will himself at the next level, but in the shallow wading pool of talent that ND high school hockey is; It sure as hell works.

But he is a very talented stick handler, skater, and scorer with great hockey sense.

But if they bring back the two-line pass rule.....     gunna be a tough go.

but did we want him?

 

a break away that delivers would have been nice this year,  I love James' game, just wish the results matched his efforts. 

[Brim006]

1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Lot of people calling him out for being nothing but a suckholer , and he is a massive suckhole specialist but it's kinda unfair to label him as only that, he's pretty damn good at finding the puck in the zone too and has scored a ton by being in the right spot. 

He finds the ice that's going to be open and for better or worse thrives in a system where everyone's job is to get him the puck. Not sure how that translates to improving any of their players for the future without him, or beyond, or frankly how it will himself at the next level, but in the shallow wading pool of talent that ND high school hockey is; It sure as hell works.

But he is a very talented stick handler, skater, and scorer with great hockey sense.

But if they bring back the two-line pass rule.....     gunna be a tough go.

Not to pick on this comment in particular, as there are many here and often....but I'll never understand the constant bashing of NDHSH skill and/or competitiveness, especially by our own peers. How and why has it become common place here and around the local hockey community for so many to openly bash our own state and our own kids+programs? "Shallow wading pool of talent".... compared to what, NAHL, Junior As? Because as far as high school hockey goes, I'd argue that the average skill level of NDHSH players hangs around with the best average in the country for high school. As far as sheer numbers, yes there are states that have nearly as many varsity teams as ND has total varsity players, so obviously they are going to produce more next level players in total, but I think you'd be surprised if you looked at percentages instead. I think too many folks get blinded by sheer numbers and just directly correlate that to better hockey, especially when they only watch the final games of the year between the top 5% compete at the neighboring state tournament and just assume that's the norm across the board for all teams and conferences all year long. They forget about the other 95% not on TV and especially forget about the bottom 25% who couldn't beat a single ND team outside of HB, and get steam rolled by Wahp/Brek, Mayport and GPR every year. GF has proven to be the top hockey community in the state, but their bantam AA team proves year after year that they're also one of the top in all of MN as well. 

Same goes for off-season select teams. If 2 states with exactly equal average skill level both have to create select teams, but one has to skim the top 20 off the top out of 400, and the other skims the top 20 off the top out of 4,000, who's going to have a better team? One team's top 2 players are going to be matched by the others entire 20. Watching that game might make it appear one state is a much better hockey state, but across the board they're actually the exact same. 

I understand we're all entitled to our own opinions, but I wish more people would step back and look at the bigger picture. This negative and false reputation we've created ourselves about our own local hockey has had a direct negative impact in actually worsening our own local hockey. Many parents have heard and believed these negative perceptions, which has probably contributed in their decision to move their kids away early. This has suppressed top-end talent here which has probably snow-balled to worsen things even further. I think we can do better, and could wear a little more pride here IMO. 

 

[Wilbur]

Legacy/Bismarck up 3-1 after two periods.  Be nice to have a different champion in the girls ranks. 

[yzerman19]

Around the country, top end talent is gone at 16...will be even more pronounced with the NCAA opening up to CHL.  Regardless of where you are from...USHL, CHL or NTDP at 16 is the path of the best

[Tbone]

1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said:

but did we want him?

 

a break away that delivers would have been nice this year,  I love James' game, just wish the results matched his efforts. 

I’m thinking that the goaltender talent level may be elevated in D1 vs ND high school. But we will see how Mattern develops at Arizona.

Not sure if we wanted him, maybe he chose elsewhere for his own reasons, not ours.

I do know that we wanted James and brought him in, in front of Spicer.

And from what I see, I’ll take James’ work ethic.

[sioux rube]

Big upset in girls state. Legacy 4-3 over North/South in double overtime 

[sioux rube]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

Legacy/Bismarck up 3-1 after two periods.  Be nice to have a different champion in the girls ranks. 

Got your wish 

[Walsh Hall]

1 hour ago, yzerman19 said:

Around the country, top end talent is gone at 16...will be even more pronounced with the NCAA opening up to CHL.  Regardless of where you are from...USHL, CHL or NTDP at 16 is the path of the best

For sure... but the problem I see is that way too many parents are delusional and believe their child is part of that "top end talent."  I'd like to see a long-term summary of the kids who left, for any program, and how it ended up.

[Frozen4sioux]

3 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Not to pick on this comment in particular, as there are many here and often....but I'll never understand the constant bashing of NDHSH skill and/or competitiveness, especially by our own peers. How and why has it become common place here and around the local hockey community for so many to openly bash our own state and our own kids+programs? "Shallow wading pool of talent".... compared to what, NAHL, Junior As? Because as far as high school hockey goes, I'd argue that the average skill level of NDHSH players hangs around with the best average in the country for high school. As far as sheer numbers, yes there are states that have nearly as many varsity teams as ND has total varsity players, so obviously they are going to produce more next level players in total, but I think you'd be surprised if you looked at percentages instead. I think too many folks get blinded by sheer numbers and just directly correlate that to better hockey, especially when they only watch the final games of the year between the top 5% compete at the neighboring state tournament and just assume that's the norm across the board for all teams and conferences all year long. They forget about the other 95% not on TV and especially forget about the bottom 25% who couldn't beat a single ND team outside of HB, and get steam rolled by Wahp/Brek, Mayport and GPR every year. GF has proven to be the top hockey community in the state, but their bantam AA team proves year after year that they're also one of the top in all of MN as well. 

Same goes for off-season select teams. If 2 states with exactly equal average skill level both have to create select teams, but one has to skim the top 20 off the top out of 400, and the other skims the top 20 off the top out of 4,000, who's going to have a better team? One team's top 2 players are going to be matched by the others entire 20. Watching that game might make it appear one state is a much better hockey state, but across the board they're actually the exact same. 

I understand we're all entitled to our own opinions, but I wish more people would step back and look at the bigger picture. This negative and false reputation we've created ourselves about our own local hockey has had a direct negative impact in actually worsening our own local hockey. Many parents have heard and believed these negative perceptions, which has probably contributed in their decision to move their kids away early. This has suppressed top-end talent here which has probably snow-balled to worsen things even further. I think we can do better, and could wear a little more pride here IMO. 

 

Sorry to offend your feelings about it.

But your feelings aren't facts.

Not every year is as down talent wise as this year.

Talent compared to what?... 

The same league year vs year.

How is this tough to understand?

Being honest isn't bashing.

More honesty with parents would be better, gotta stop pumping tires help them understand that standing of a shallow depth pool doesn't mean they are poised to leave.

 

 

[Frozen4sioux]

3 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Not to pick on this comment in particular, as there are many here and often....but I'll never understand the constant bashing of NDHSH skill and/or competitiveness, especially by our own peers. How and why has it become common place here and around the local hockey community for so many to openly bash our own state and our own kids+programs? "Shallow wading pool of talent".... compared to what, NAHL, Junior As? Because as far as high school hockey goes, I'd argue that the average skill level of NDHSH players hangs around with the best average in the country for high school. As far as sheer numbers, yes there are states that have nearly as many varsity teams as ND has total varsity players, so obviously they are going to produce more next level players in total, but I think you'd be surprised if you looked at percentages instead. I think too many folks get blinded by sheer numbers and just directly correlate that to better hockey, especially when they only watch the final games of the year between the top 5% compete at the neighboring state tournament and just assume that's the norm across the board for all teams and conferences all year long. They forget about the other 95% not on TV and especially forget about the bottom 25% who couldn't beat a single ND team outside of HB, and get steam rolled by Wahp/Brek, Mayport and GPR every year. GF has proven to be the top hockey community in the state, but their bantam AA team proves year after year that they're also one of the top in all of MN as well. 

Same goes for off-season select teams. If 2 states with exactly equal average skill level both have to create select teams, but one has to skim the top 20 off the top out of 400, and the other skims the top 20 off the top out of 4,000, who's going to have a better team? One team's top 2 players are going to be matched by the others entire 20. Watching that game might make it appear one state is a much better hockey state, but across the board they're actually the exact same. 

I understand we're all entitled to our own opinions, but I wish more people would step back and look at the bigger picture. This negative and false reputation we've created ourselves about our own local hockey has had a direct negative impact in actually worsening our own local hockey. Many parents have heard and believed these negative perceptions, which has probably contributed in their decision to move their kids away early. This has suppressed top-end talent here which has probably snow-balled to worsen things even further. I think we can do better, and could wear a little more pride here IMO. 

 

Sorry to offend your feelings about it.

But your feelings aren't facts.

Not every year is as down talent wise as this year.

Talent compared to what?... 

The same league year vs year.

How is this tough to understand?

Being honest isn't bashing.

More honesty with parents would be better, gotta stop pumping tires help them understand that standing of a shallow depth pool doesn't mean they are poised to leave.

 

 

[Frozen4sioux]

3 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Not to pick on this comment in particular, as there are many here and often....but I'll never understand the constant bashing of NDHSH skill and/or competitiveness, especially by our own peers. How and why has it become common place here and around the local hockey community for so many to openly bash our own state and our own kids+programs? "Shallow wading pool of talent".... compared to what, NAHL, Junior As? Because as far as high school hockey goes, I'd argue that the average skill level of NDHSH players hangs around with the best average in the country for high school. As far as sheer numbers, yes there are states that have nearly as many varsity teams as ND has total varsity players, so obviously they are going to produce more next level players in total, but I think you'd be surprised if you looked at percentages instead. I think too many folks get blinded by sheer numbers and just directly correlate that to better hockey, especially when they only watch the final games of the year between the top 5% compete at the neighboring state tournament and just assume that's the norm across the board for all teams and conferences all year long. They forget about the other 95% not on TV and especially forget about the bottom 25% who couldn't beat a single ND team outside of HB, and get steam rolled by Wahp/Brek, Mayport and GPR every year. GF has proven to be the top hockey community in the state, but their bantam AA team proves year after year that they're also one of the top in all of MN as well. 

Same goes for off-season select teams. If 2 states with exactly equal average skill level both have to create select teams, but one has to skim the top 20 off the top out of 400, and the other skims the top 20 off the top out of 4,000, who's going to have a better team? One team's top 2 players are going to be matched by the others entire 20. Watching that game might make it appear one state is a much better hockey state, but across the board they're actually the exact same. 

I understand we're all entitled to our own opinions, but I wish more people would step back and look at the bigger picture. This negative and false reputation we've created ourselves about our own local hockey has had a direct negative impact in actually worsening our own local hockey. Many parents have heard and believed these negative perceptions, which has probably contributed in their decision to move their kids away early. This has suppressed top-end talent here which has probably snow-balled to worsen things even further. I think we can do better, and could wear a little more pride here IMO. 

 

Sorry to offend your feelings about it.

But your feelings aren't facts.

Not every year is as down talent wise as this year.

Talent compared to what?... 

The same league year vs year.

How is this tough to understand?

Being honest isn't bashing.

More honesty with parents would be better, gotta stop pumping tires help them understand that standing of a shallow depth pool doesn't mean they are poised to leave.

 

 

[Speez]

Watching the Davies-Mandan game. Probably the worst camera work I have had to pay for from a TV station.  I've seen as much of the back of peoples heads as the hockey game.

Parent live streaming videos are better than this garbage. Not even any announcing. How WDAY can get away with this cr**  is ridiculous.

Should have kept it in the Ralph.

[Big Green]

3 minutes ago, Speez said:

Watching the Davies-Mandan game. Probably the worst camera work I have had to pay for from a TV station.  I've seen as much of the back of peoples heads as the hockey game.

Parent live streaming videos are better than this garbage. Not even any announcing. How WDAY can get away with this cr**  is ridiculous.

Should have kept it in the Ralph.

Your honestly complaining about the TV work on the Consolation side of the bracket.  Not even MN broadcasts the consolation side of the bracket.  IMO you are paying for the Championship side, the rest is just included.