UND VS wmu (SATURDAY)

[fargosioux]

43 minutes ago, Dustin said:

So on the topic of #2 vs #3 overall seed, are people excited about potentially getting to #2 so the first game is a much lower pairwise opponent? Right now, St. Cloud State is #14, but with them a NCHC team, would the committee flip to #13 Michigan??  it would be the difference between playing one of them and RIT (#22). I was initially pretty indifferent about being #3 vs #2 but I can see a clear advantage to being #2 so count me in on wanting that as well. One downside of Denver sweeping SCSU which allowed us to win the Cup, is that Denver is now top 4 pairwise right behind UND. I could see them sneaking ahead of us before selection Sunday with all the games yet to be played. In that case, would they steal our spot in Sioux Falls??  Denver is 2 hours closer to SF than Maryland Heights, but still a long ways. I would hope the committee would honor the attendance potential of UND in Sioux falls.

I am definitely hoping we can jump BU to get the 2 seed. There are no guaranteed wins but a regional semifinal against either the Atlantic or CCHA auto-bid would be ideal.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

56 minutes ago, Dustin said:

So on the topic of #2 vs #3 overall seed, are people excited about potentially getting to #2 so the first game is a much lower pairwise opponent? Right now, St. Cloud State is #14, but with them a NCHC team, would the committee flip to #13 Michigan??  it would be the difference between playing one of them and RIT (#22). I was initially pretty indifferent about being #3 vs #2 but I can see a clear advantage to being #2 so count me in on wanting that as well. One downside of Denver sweeping SCSU which allowed us to win the Cup, is that Denver is now top 4 pairwise right behind UND. I could see them sneaking ahead of us before selection Sunday with all the games yet to be played. In that case, would they steal our spot in Sioux Falls??  Denver is 2 hours closer to SF than Maryland Heights, but still a long ways. I would hope the committee would honor the attendance potential of UND in Sioux falls.

This could have changed but I believe in the past the committee takes the approach that “a flight is a flight”. So because DU would have to get on a plane it doesn’t matter that SF is closer. 

[tnt]

35 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

To argue about this on a championship weekend is insane. 

Which tells you gfhockey isn’t really a fan but a message board antagonist. Most fans would revel in the joy that guys like Gaber and Ness exhibited, even if it could be fleeting with a loss down the road.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

So on the topic of #2 vs #3 overall seed, are people excited about potentially getting to #2 so the first game is a much lower pairwise opponent? Right now, St. Cloud State is #14, but with them a NCHC team, would the committee flip to #13 Michigan??  it would be the difference between playing one of them and RIT (#22). I was initially pretty indifferent about being #3 vs #2 but I can see a clear advantage to being #2 so count me in on wanting that as well. One downside of Denver sweeping SCSU which allowed us to win the Cup, is that Denver is now top 4 pairwise right behind UND. I could see them sneaking ahead of us before selection Sunday with all the games yet to be played. In that case, would they steal our spot in Sioux Falls??  Denver is 2 hours closer to SF than Maryland Heights, but still a long ways. I would hope the committee would honor the attendance potential of UND in Sioux falls.

Denver is a full >.01 behind us, that's a lot of ground to make up this late in the season. Fluctuation is at most .005 per game, and that's bad losses/upset wins. It's possible, but we would need to faceplant.

[fightingsioux4life]

8 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Ok there we go again. Conference titles > nattys

 

im in disagreement. I’d rather have nattys

The 2016 team won both the Penrose AND the Natty.

I'll hang up the phone and listen.

[Dustin]

5 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Denver is a full >.01 behind us, that's a lot of ground to make up this late in the season. Fluctuation is at most .005 per game, and that's bad losses/upset wins. It's possible, but we would need to faceplant.

Ok, wasn’t sure what those numbers mean and how games affect them. My rationale was that we will play Miami for (hopefully) 2 games. No pairwise gained there. Then we could end playing Denver in the NCHC finals or semifinals, which could be a loss. 

[gfhockey]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The 2016 team won both the Penrose AND the Natty.

I'll hang up the phone and listen.

Yes we know

 

how many wins in ncaa tourney since then 

[Goon]

1 hour ago, thUNDer said:

Me too

Me three. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, gfhockey said:

Yes we know

 

how many wins in ncaa tourney since then 

Let's wait and see what happens in the playoffs before assuming the worst.

[Dustin]

13 hours ago, Oldguy said:

Happy to eat a little crow here.  After the Saturday loss at CC, I said "this is not a special team."  

While that was in a game day thread, which I always maintain is reserved and should be understood to be for single day reactions (not higher level discussions), I would have to say that yes, they did look special tonight.  Congrats on winning the Penne, and for crying out loud dont' stop at this!

It may turn out that getting swept at CC is exactly what this team needed. 

[Dustin]

13 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We seemed to flip a switch midway through the 3rd and put it away.

In my years of watching hockey, how teams play in the third period is a good indicator of their championship mettle. 

[burd]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Let's wait and see what happens in the playoffs before assuming the worst.

gf needs the worst to preserve the only identity he's ever had here.

[nodakvindy]

9 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Ok there we go again. Conference titles > nattys

 

im in disagreement. I’d rather have nattys

UND has typically won its nattys by knocking on the front door as a conference champ vs sneaking in the back by just getting lucky and banking on 2 good weekends. 

Fun fact, UND is last independent to win a natty. 

[fightingsioux4life]

12 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

UND has typically won its nattys by knocking on the front door as a conference champ vs sneaking in the back by just getting lucky and banking on 2 good weekends. 

Fun fact, UND is last independent to win a natty. 

That must have been during the period between the WIHL and WCHA. I believe the WIHL folded over teams using overage Canadians. And I believe Minnesota was the driving force behind that. I guess some things truly never change.

[nodakvindy]

4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

That must have been during the period between the WIHL and WCHA. I believe the WIHL folded over teams using overage Canadians. And I believe Minnesota was the driving force behind that. I guess some things truly never change.

Yes. 1959. UNDs first title. 

[Oxbow6]

Kudos to Berry for starting the 4 recognized seniors. Been to meaningless HS games where dumba$$ HS coaches don't even have enough class to start the seniors on senior night.

[nodakvindy]

1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

Yes we know

 

how many wins in ncaa tourney since then 

To be fair, Berry has never lost an NCAA tourney game in regulation. Puck luck is a funny thing in a one and done and we don't have any clunkers where we didn't show up. 

[Big A HG]

24 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

To be fair, Berry has never lost an NCAA tourney game in regulation. Puck luck is a funny thing in a one and done and we don't have any clunkers where we didn't show up. 

 

You also can't lose in regulation if you don't play.

[nodakvindy]

12 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

 

You also can't lose in regulation if you don't play.

Thanks for the insight. I get that. Yet despite missing the tournament 3 times, we still have a natty during Berry's reign as well as as the what if of 2020. To act like he won a natty in year 1 and has been uncompetitive since is just wrong. His 2 best teams since 2016 faced outcomes that had no precedent. We'll see what happens this year. 

[Blackheart]

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Yes we know

 

how many wins in ncaa tourney since then 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

2 hours ago, nodakvindy said:

UND has typically won its nattys by knocking on the front door as a conference champ vs sneaking in the back by just getting lucky and banking on 2 good weekends. 

Fun fact, UND is last independent to win a natty. 

It’s not very often I learn something new about UND hockey but that’s a cool stat. Thanks for sharing 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

I hate to keep this discussion going because it’s feeding a few known trolls but banners are what define this program. We can agree on that. We love wins and success but we like to see banner raising ceremonies to measure success. League titles and NCAA are the big ones. Hakstol who just coached his 500th NHL game was 3 for 11 on league titles and 0 for 11 on NCAA titles. Berry has won 5 of 9 league titles and is 1 for 9 on NCAA titles. 
 

Can we all agree Hakstol was a pretty damn good college coach which has translated to the best league in the world?

Then, by extension can we agree Berry is also a damn good coach as he’s raised more of those banners than Hak? I’m not saying he’s definitively better but he’s on the same level.

[jk]

Discussion is ok.  I'm a fan of both guys, but regarding league titles, I'd say Hak coached in a tougher league (WCHA with MN and WI) for most of his years.  

[fightingsioux4life]

49 minutes ago, jk said:

Discussion is ok.  I'm a fan of both guys, but regarding league titles, I'd say Hak coached in a tougher league (WCHA with MN and WI) for most of his years.  

The WCHA was tougher than the NCHC? I don't know about that. The old WCHA was a great league, but there was some deadwood at the bottom. The NCHC is the deepest league top to bottom I have ever seen in this sport.

[tnt]

32 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The WCHA was tougher than the NCHC? I don't know about that. The old WCHA was a great league, but there was some deadwood at the bottom. The NCHC is the deepest league top to bottom I have ever seen in this sport.

College hockey as a whole is more balanced, which is why blue bloods will miss the tournament here and there and won’t win championships every five years.  BC is finally back, which most people used as a comparison.