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After watching this selection committee debacle I would say it'd be interesting if UND was to lead the pack from an unconventional position. Sort of an "attack a liberal from the left, attack a conser

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Let’s go FBS before NDSU

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The elephant in the room is the way our Champions Club operates vs su's Team Makers  

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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

ADDENDUM to original posit:

For this (admittedly absurd) notion to work, every UND Football supporter has to contribute significantly fiscally to the effort. 

Every.
Supporter. 
Contribute.
Significantly.
Fiscally. 

There's no margin on that.
There's no magic pot of gold at UND for it. 
There's no "whatabout" whining about directed contributions going to other UND sports. 

It's how the xDSUs have done it: Private directed football donations

For that matter, that needs to happen to stay competitive in FCS.

The elephant in the room is the way our Champions Club operates vs su's Team Makers

 

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5 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

The elephant in the room is the way our Champions Club operates vs su's Team Makers

Yes. And a couple hundred game from charitable gaming wouldn't be all that bad, other than the optics.

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9 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Yes. And a couple hundred game from charitable gaming wouldn't be all that bad, other than the optics.

What? Hawks don't gamble? :huh:

;) :D 

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2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

The elephant in the room is the way our Champions Club operates vs su's Team Makers

 

I've never been approached by Champion's Club in my life.  Not that I'm some heavy hitter, but what in the world are they working on?  

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4 hours ago, Shawn-O said:

I've never been approached by Champion's Club in my life.  Not that I'm some heavy hitter, but what in the world are they working on?  

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8 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Their website and social media presence are dog !@#$.  Sorry.  Still waiting for them to announce how much they raised last year.

That’s what I was looking for, until I gave up due to a very poor user experience on the website.  

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On 11/28/2022 at 1:02 PM, The Sicatoka said:


FCS is becoming unpredictable in its operations. 

  • Seven wins minimum is the criteria ... until it's not.  
  • Better bid is the criteria ... until it's not, ... unless you have a "name and reputation". 
  • Performance is the criteria ... < wait for it, it's coming > ... 
  • Now regionalization is being questioned by some of the names of FCS (see: Montana State coach recent comments regarding having to play Weber now). 

Dare I say FCS is becoming ... Division II all over again. 

The DI reformation committee is rumored to be strongly considering elimination of the "15,000 average attendance" for FBS. That is the only present FBS requirement UND does not meet. 

If UND will continually face "until it's not" FCS standards, why not go FBS. There it is "six wins" to be bowl eligible. Done. One objective criterion. 

Outlandish? You bet. 100%. Huge challenges? Yes. I'm off the rails? Yup. Haven't been on them in a while.

And I've made hundreds of arguments against FBS, and probably would here again, but I'm tossing the idea out just the same. 

In review,

  • UND outbidding Weber and being sent on the road is right?
  • UND not getting in with seven and a six getting in instead? 
  • FCS not following their own bracketing criteria (Idaho is closer to Weber and those two did not play this regular season) this year is acceptable?
  • "Names" (see: Montana) getting home games as a "last in" or because "their QB was hurt" is sensible? 

It's crazy, full guano loco, but this time UND would lead. 

In closing and under the assumptions that (a) the "15k" rule goes away and (b) the FBS criteria do not become vastly more strenuous to meet, why not get out of FCS before it becomes more "stogies and scotch" in its operations than it already is. 

After watching this selection committee debacle I would say it'd be interesting if UND was to lead the pack from an unconventional position. Sort of an "attack a liberal from the left, attack a conservative from the right" approach, in which UND hard-charges toward FBS. This will make NDSU fans scoff but will also force NDSU's hand to explore that avenue with UND. I find it hard to believe Matt Larsen lobbied for UND at all and I suspect he failed in his fiduciary duty to advocate for the MVFC, and if that's the case, and it certainly looks like it is, you can't trust the organization or level you're in, and UND should call that out. That said, Larsen's stacking the deck in NDSU's favor in a "down year", shows that either NDSU has to maintain this level of success in perpetuity or the brass will face serious consequences, or, they have find a group of committed peer institutions to explore a move up together. 

It sounds like the G-5 is angling to be "FCS on steroids" and with the expanded 12-team CFP starting soon, I suspect the CFP will consistently be 10/11 P5 schools and 1 10+ win G5 school. I suspect that format, whether people like-it-or-not will be hugely successful and eventually the G5 will follow suit and craft their own playoff, essentially creating a subdivision between FCS and FBS. It's getting increasingly obvious to me that FCS will soon look like the abandoned tire plant that is D2 and UND needs to jump off that sinking ship.

The "15,000" average attendance thing is a complete joke, and always has been. I've been to concrete monolith that is Rice Stadium in which about 500 people watched 120 points scored between ECU and Rice. I've watched "MACtion" and if Eastern Michigan is outdrawing most D3 schools I'd be suprised. I see a lot of complaints about the Alerus gameday experience on here, but it is exponentially better than what is being offered at several G5 FBS schools. Also, Sam Houston is going to FBS without a stadium that even holds 15,000 and their average attendance is less than 8,000. 

I'm not saying a 6th Group conference could be formed, but UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State, Idaho (previously FBS), and a few other financially solvent major state universities could explore creating their own football conference or joining a pre-existing one now that the remaining Mountain West schools will be lobbying the PAC-12 to replace USC/UCLA and get into that coveted P5 conference. Maybe (probably) nothing comes of it, but it could force the FCS to get their act together. The Sun Belt has gone from a laughing stock to a formiddable conference in a very short period of time, and I look at those schools and (some) of the MWC schools more like peer football institutions moreso than Mercer, Campbell, Samford, Holy Cross, etc. I don't think anyone on here is particularly enamored with the MAC, and I think you could have a better conference almost overnight with the schools I previously mentioned. Full send, loco crazy, but fun to think about. 

UND is making a major financial commitment to football with Phase 2 it seems. So, probably time to stop acting like little brother, and they'll probably stop being treated like little-brother. 

 

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On 11/30/2022 at 4:46 PM, Shawn-O said:

I've never been approached by Champion's Club in my life.  Not that I'm some heavy hitter, but what in the world are they working on?  

They suck. Horrible. “Championships start with scholarships”? I’m sorry- it takes more than just scholarships in this day and age. It’s not 1992 anymore. Get with the times, get off your ass, and talk to people. 

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After watching this selection committee debacle I would say it'd be interesting if UND was to lead the pack from an unconventional position. Sort of an "attack a liberal from the left, attack a conservative from the right" approach, in which UND hard-charges toward FBS. This will make NDSU fans scoff but will also force NDSU's hand to explore that avenue with UND. I find it hard to believe Matt Larsen lobbied for UND at all and I suspect he failed in his fiduciary duty to advocate for the MVFC, and if that's the case, and it certainly looks like it is, you can't trust the organization or level you're in, and UND should call that out. That said, Larsen's stacking the deck in NDSU's favor in a "down year", shows that either NDSU has to maintain this level of success in perpetuity or the brass will face serious consequences, or, they have find a group of committed peer institutions to explore a move up together. 

It sounds like the G-5 is angling to be "FCS on steroids" and with the expanded 12-team CFP starting soon, I suspect the CFP will consistently be 10/11 P5 schools and 1 10+ win G5 school. I suspect that format, whether people like-it-or-not will be hugely successful and eventually the G5 will follow suit and craft their own playoff, essentially creating a subdivision between FCS and FBS. It's getting increasingly obvious to me that FCS will soon look like the abandoned tire plant that is D2 and UND needs to jump off that sinking ship.

The "15,000" average attendance thing is a complete joke, and always has been. I've been to concrete monolith that is Rice Stadium in which about 500 people watched 120 points scored between ECU and Rice. I've watched "MACtion" and if Eastern Michigan is outdrawing most D3 schools I'd be suprised. I see a lot of complaints about the Alerus gameday experience on here, but it is exponentially better than what is being offered at several G5 FBS schools. Also, Sam Houston is going to FBS without a stadium that even holds 15,000 and their average attendance is less than 8,000. 

I'm not saying a 6th Group conference could be formed, but UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State, Idaho (previously FBS), and a few other financially solvent major state universities could explore creating their own football conference or joining a pre-existing one now that the remaining Mountain West schools will be lobbying the PAC-12 to replace USC/UCLA and get into that coveted P5 conference. Maybe (probably) nothing comes of it, but it could force the FCS to get their act together. The Sun Belt has gone from a laughing stock to a formiddable conference in a very short period of time, and I look at those schools and (some) of the MWC schools more like peer football institutions moreso than Mercer, Campbell, Samford, Holy Cross, etc. I don't think anyone on here is particularly enamored with the MAC, and I think you could have a better conference almost overnight with the schools I previously mentioned. Full send, loco crazy, but fun to think about. 

UND is making a major financial commitment to football with Phase 2 it seems. So, probably time to stop acting like little brother, and they'll probably stop being treated like little-brother. 

 

Lots of thought starters.  Thank you.  Chaves, you read this?

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15 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

Lots of thought starters.  Thank you.  Chaves, you read this?

 

14 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

wheres chaves

Email him and ask. Bet he'll respond. 

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Not sure this belongs on this feed but reading over my annual foundation letter “Football Priority Needs Fund (69140)” is listed with “UND’s President’s Excellence Fund”and “Other” as options. The President’s Fund is explained but not the football one. I see other options here. Could someone explain these funds and their purpose? Thanks, Mama

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36 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

  or just show him this....everyone is happy (except wyoming haha)

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Pretty sure Boise St. and a couple of others would be devastated to be left in that grouping.  And not sure what happened to the rest of the actual Mountain West teams.

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