2023 Football Season

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Anything better than 2-2 we in business

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, sioux24/7 said:

A very successful season can still be had with a 2-2 start. 

It’s fair, but you’re just trying to justify mediocrity. That’s nothing against you; the entire UND community is very good friends with mediocrity. A first round playoff exit isn’t a successful season if you want to be a champion. At UND, though, just being “ok” has too long been “ok”. If UND perpetually beats who they’re supposed to beat and loses against who they’re supposed to lose against, then they’ll never take the next step, despite 10 years of Bubba ball. 

[NDRA]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It’s fair, but you’re just trying to justify mediocrity. That’s nothing against you; the entire UND community is very good friends with mediocrity. A first round playoff exit isn’t a successful season if you want to be a champion. At UND, though, just being “ok” has too long been “ok”. If UND perpetually beats who they’re supposed to beat and loses against who they’re supposed to lose against, then they’ll never take the next step, despite 10 years of Bubba ball. 

Agree.  What happened to "The Monopoly is over".  #BubbaBall

[Teeder11]

10 minutes ago, NDRA said:

Agree.  What happened to "The Monopoly is over".  #BubbaBall

UND-FB-FAN loves you guys. We hear about it everyday. Multiple times. Ad nauseum.

[ChrisUND1]

I think the true clock to determine success started ticking when UND to the MVFC was announced.  The Big Sky made recruiting very very hard for UND.  Bubba and staff are now building the team with recruits from the region that they wouldn’t have got before. I’m stoked for the season. #LGH 

[iramurphy]

53 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It’s fair, but you’re just trying to justify mediocrity. That’s nothing against you; the entire UND community is very good friends with mediocrity. A first round playoff exit isn’t a successful season if you want to be a champion. At UND, though, just being “ok” has too long been “ok”.

Ok, I’m out East, it’s raining, so I have time to waste. 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but It seems that you are of the opinion that those whose lives are stimulated more by things or people not related to success or failure of athletic teams and look to sports as entertainment are associated somehow with mediocrity. I would strongly disagree and the facts prove otherwise. 
It is the abilities, work ethic, attitude, confidence, work ethic etc. of the players and staff that will determine the success or failure of our teams. Someone who hopes we beat Drake by only 2 or 3 TD’s or hopes we are 2-2 after game four isn’t necessarily mediocre nor satisfied with mediocrity. Neither is the UND community, admin team, alumni staff or coaching staff that has slowly been rebuilding our athletic teams and upgrading facilities. 

One always wonders how we can become so knowledgeable that we know who is mediocre or exactly what it takes to win championships. I always wonder if those same folks have ever been involved in a meaningful manner in championships at the college or professional levels. 

It’s a new season. No reason not to be optimistic. 
 

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

It’s a new season. No reason not to be optimistic. 

I agree, let’s see what happens. Hope for 3-1 or 4-0 after 4 games.

[UND-FB-FAN]

18 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but It seems that you are of the opinion that those whose lives are stimulated more by things or people not related to success or failure of athletic teams and look to sports as entertainment are associated somehow with mediocrity. I would strongly disagree and the facts prove otherwise. 

Wrong. I’m hoping for internal improvement for UND football; what the fans/supporters think is really more of a dependent variable as opposed to being an independent factor in anything. As such, I don’t have a vendetta against fans/supporters who don’t expect great things - they’ve been conditioned to think that way based on recent results. I’ve never claimed that folks’ lives should be centered around the success and failure of athletic teams.  That’s a narrative and distraction tactic propagated by some - including yourself- to discredit my posts and thoughts. Such misdirection works superficially on here, sure, but it’s not correct (and that’s verifiable by anyone capable of producing their own independent thoughts / opinions). 
 

Now, the only separate piece to this would be greater expectations equals greater contribution by fans/supporters to the program, but I still think UND football internally needs to better generate those contributions.

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

It is the abilities, work ethic, attitude, confidence, work ethic etc. of the players and staff that will determine the success or failure of our teams.

Agreed , see my previous post

[NDRA]

1 hour ago, Teeder11 said:

UND-FB-FAN loves you guys. We hear about it everyday. Multiple times. Ad nauseum.

Not trying to pile on, should have made my point better.  Probably should have said..Who in the Athletic Dept thought that hiring a coach with a 500 winning percentage was the right guy to lead the program into the future?

[iramurphy]

22 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Wrong. I’m hoping for internal improvement for UND football; what the fans/supporters think is really more of a dependent variable as opposed to being an independent factor in anything. As such, I don’t have a vendetta against fans/supporters who don’t expect great things - they’ve been conditioned to think that way based on recent results. I’ve never claimed that folks’ lives should be centered around the success and failure of athletic teams.  That’s a narrative and distraction tactic propagated by some - including yourself- to discredit my posts and thoughts. Such misdirection works superficially on here, sure, but it’s not correct (and that’s verifiable by anyone capable of producing their own independent thoughts / opinions). 
 

Now, the only separate piece to this would be greater expectations equals greater contribution by fans/supporters to the program, but I still think UND football internally needs to better generate those contributions.

 

26 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Wrong. I’m hoping for internal improvement for UND football; what the fans/supporters think is really more of a dependent variable as opposed to being an independent factor in anything. As such, I don’t have a vendetta against fans/supporters who don’t expect great things - they’ve been conditioned to think that way based on recent results. I’ve never claimed that folks’ lives should be centered around the success and failure of athletic teams.  That’s a narrative and distraction tactic propagated by some - including yourself- to discredit my posts and thoughts. Such misdirection works superficially on here, sure, but it’s not correct (and that’s verifiable by anyone capable of producing their own independent thoughts / opinions). 
 

Now, the only separate piece to this would be greater expectations equals greater contribution by fans/supporters to the program, but I still think UND football internally needs to better generate those contributions.

Good for you. Maybe we can expect you will no longer apply the recurring description of mediocrity to those who have a different opinion or even different expectations. 
 

I don’t want to distract anyone from what you post. There is nothing complicated about your posts and others can form their own opinions. Neither my opinions, nor your opinions will have any bearing on the success or failure of our teams. How we all form our opinions and expectations for our sports teams is multifaceted but it doesn’t really matter. I just happen to disagree with those who refer to others as being satisfied with mediocrity based on our opinions that we may post. 
 

Let’s get this conversation back on point: the 2023 season. 

[Und246]

It is totally unfair to predict success or failure on whether we beat SDSU or Boise State. It is fair to start evaluating the team though. The games after that will be the true determination. Everyone relax a little. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

19 minutes ago, Und246 said:

It is totally unfair to predict success or failure on whether we beat SDSU or Boise State. It is fair to start evaluating the team though. The games after that will be the true determination. Everyone relax a little. 

I disagree. If UND doesn’t make noise against Boise or SDSU, then it’s the same ol’, same ol’ middle of the road Bubba ball. 
 
Again, if UND perpetually beats who they’re supposed to beat and loses against who they’re supposed to lose against, then UND FB will never take the next step, despite 10 years of Bubba ball. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I disagree. If UND doesn’t make noise against Boise or SDSU, then it’s the same ol’, same ol’ middle of the road Bubba ball. 
 
Again, if UND perpetually beats who they’re supposed to beat and loses against who they’re supposed to lose against, then UND FB will never take the next step, despite 10 years of Bubba ball. 

100%.....at what year of bubba ball should we expect to beat sdac and ndac in the same year? and not just beat em....beat em badly.

[Hawkster]

43 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I disagree. If UND doesn’t make noise against Boise or SDSU, then it’s the same ol’, same ol’ middle of the road Bubba ball. 
 
Again, if UND perpetually beats who they’re supposed to beat and loses against who they’re supposed to lose against, then UND FB will never take the next step, despite 10 years of Bubba ball. 

Remember, NDSU used to lose almost every year to SDSU during the season and then come out blazing during the playoffs and beat them.   That was of course until last year.   A loss during the regular season can be overcome.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, Hawkster said:

Remember, NDSU used to lose almost every year to SDSU during the season and then come out blazing during the playoffs and beat them.   That was of course until last year.   A loss during the regular season can be overcome.

Yeah well you have to win in the playoffs in order to even advance and set up those repeat matchups …

UND hasn’t shown any ability yet to stand on even ground with the big dogs of the FCS. Hopefully 2023 is different …

[CMSioux]

3 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Ok, I’m out East, it’s raining, so I have time to waste. 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but It seems that you are of the opinion that those whose lives are stimulated more by things or people not related to success or failure of athletic teams and look to sports as entertainment are associated somehow with mediocrity. I would strongly disagree and the facts prove otherwise. 
It is the abilities, work ethic, attitude, confidence, work ethic etc. of the players and staff that will determine the success or failure of our teams. Someone who hopes we beat Drake by only 2 or 3 TD’s or hopes we are 2-2 after game four isn’t necessarily mediocre nor satisfied with mediocrity. Neither is the UND community, admin team, alumni staff or coaching staff that has slowly been rebuilding our athletic teams and upgrading facilities. 

One always wonders how we can become so knowledgeable that we know who is mediocre or exactly what it takes to win championships. I always wonder if those same folks have ever been involved in a meaningful manner in championships at the college or professional levels. 

It’s a new season. No reason not to be optimistic. 
 

Your well thought out insights take on a whole new perspective to me now that I've seen behind the curtain. Be well see you at tailgating. 

[SiouxFan100]

What does the saying same old same old mean?

 

 

used to say that a situation or someone's behaviour remains the same, especially when it it boring or annoying: Some people just keep on doing the same old same old every day

[wheelsup]

8 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

2-2 - status quo, first round playoff exit… rinse and repeat … look forward to change, but won’t happen anytime soon

This is one of those terrible takes.. as if we lose to the near unanimous preseason best team in the FCS.. and a legit FBS team both on the road early in the season it is somehow over and the team is destined for mediocrity.  Not to mention if you somehow accept anything less than 3-1 or 4-0 that you have accepted mediocrity personally.  That is quite a nuanced view .

Now if we are 3-3 after 6 games Ill start lining up a little closer to your negative view, but will be counting on a strong finish and multiple playoff wins.  By the way.. Ill still be at every home game this year wearing my kelly green colored glasses expecting Bubba and the crew to get the job done.  Im beyond excited about the offense this year and think the defense is going to improve enough for us to have an incredible year.

 

 

[shep]

34 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

This is one of those terrible takes.. as if we lose to the near unanimous preseason best team in the FCS.. and a legit FBS team both on the road early in the season it is somehow over and the team is destined for mediocrity.  Not to mention if you somehow accept anything less than 3-1 or 4-0 that you have accepted mediocrity personally.  That is quite a nuanced view .

Now if we are 3-3 after 6 games Ill start lining up a little closer to your negative view, but will be counting on a strong finish and multiple playoff wins.  By the way.. Ill still be at every home game this year wearing my kelly green colored glasses expecting Bubba and the crew to get the job done.  Im beyond excited about the offense this year and think the defense is going to improve enough for us to have an incredible year.

 

 

It’s not just the coaches and team that’s mediocre but all of us fans who think like you. You see, by being optimistic, and hopeful while being realistic seeps into the team culture and makes the players mediocre

If you don’t come to a fan website and bitch about the coaches, trainers and players of the team you’re cheering for you’re part of the problem.

The complainers are the real fans.

[Sioux94]

I predict we go undefeated this season....and roll through the playoffs and not only win them all, but win them all by 2-3 scores and we roll in Frisco with a 20 point win.  There, now I'm a true winner.  

P.S. And no city sidewalks get pissed on in Frisco after our victory. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 hours ago, wheelsup said:

This is one of those terrible takes.. as if we lose to the near unanimous preseason best team in the FCS.. and a legit FBS team both on the road early in the season it is somehow over and the team is destined for mediocrity.  Not to mention if you somehow accept anything less than 3-1 or 4-0 that you have accepted mediocrity personally.  That is quite a nuanced view .

Now if we are 3-3 after 6 games Ill start lining up a little closer to your negative view, but will be counting on a strong finish and multiple playoff wins.  By the way.. Ill still be at every home game this year wearing my kelly green colored glasses expecting Bubba and the crew to get the job done.  Im beyond excited about the offense this year and think the defense is going to improve enough for us to have an incredible year.

 

 

Again, winning the games UND is supposed to win and losing the games that UND is supposed to lose … again and again …will never allow UND to ascend. Your long winded excuse is just that … an excuse. Win or lose, not complicated. Succeed or fail. 

[geaux_sioux]

10 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

I predict we go undefeated this season....and roll through the playoffs and not only win them all, but win them all by 2-3 scores and we roll in Frisco with a 20 point win.  There, now I'm a true winner.  

P.S. And no city sidewalks get pissed on in Frisco after our victory. 

Piss is the least of their worries with gfhockey on the prowl 

[UND-FB-FAN]

13 hours ago, wheelsup said:

This is one of those terrible takes.. as if we lose to the near unanimous preseason best team in the FCS.. and a legit FBS team both on the road early in the season it is somehow over and the team is destined for mediocrity.  Not to mention if you somehow accept anything less than 3-1 or 4-0 that you have accepted mediocrity personally.  That is quite a nuanced view .

Now if we are 3-3 after 6 games Ill start lining up a little closer to your negative view, but will be counting on a strong finish and multiple playoff wins.  By the way.. Ill still be at every home game this year wearing my kelly green colored glasses expecting Bubba and the crew to get the job done.  Im beyond excited about the offense this year and think the defense is going to improve enough for us to have an incredible year.

 

 

2-2 is okay but 3-3 isn’t? Bunch of random crap here.

I guess I hope UND football is better than a forever 7-4 program; hence, the reason I hope they don’t start 2-2 and pull off a major upset to take the program to the next level. Sorry for wanting and expecting more. 

[F'n Hawks]

7 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

2-2 is okay but 3-3 isn’t? Bunch of random crap here.

I guess I hope UND football is better than a forever 7-4 program; hence, the reason I hope they don’t start 2-2 and pull off a major upset to take the program to the next level. Sorry for wanting and expecting more. 

If they start 2-2, and then finish 9-2 and get a playoff seed, are we all of a sudden accepting mediocrity? Obviously all of us want a major upset, but there is still a path to a great season after starting 2-2. That’s all we are saying. The difference between 2-2 and 3-3 is bigger than you think. This team needs to finally do it and beat NDSU at home. If not, then I would start to be a bit more negative or critical. 

I think we have these same arguments over and over with you, but in the end we all are basically in agreement. I doubt there is anyone on this forum that would say a 7-4 season with a first round playoff exit is ok. Our expectations have to be higher than that and I believe they are.