Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 13 hours ago, brianvf said: That's the usual. We're also overage and Canadians, if I remember correctly. GOONS! While that take is a bit overdone by Gopher fans the perception is understandable. The average college senior is 21.5 or so. ND has 15 on the roster over the age of 22. Of the 7 Canadiens on the roster the average age is 22 with two of them being 24. The average age of the top 5 scorers for ND is 22.5 wiht 2 of them from Canada that are 23 and 24 years old. The average age of UMTC's top 5 scorers is 20 with two of them being 18 which is a age ND does not even have on its roster nor is there a skater on the UM roster that is from Canada. Does ND have a roster loaded with 24 year old Canadiens? No. Does ND have the success it has had over the years without overaged players coming from various places including Canada? Also no. Everyone of ND's players is legal, within the rules and 100% a valid player but let's not pretend there isn't a basis for the perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, brianvf said: Is it classless in baseball when they toss a home run ball from the opposing team back on the field? Nope. Tossing it back made the whole sequence that much better. Especially when the Sioux lit up the Gofs for 4 straight goals immediately after... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 10 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: @Blackheartif you want my log in for Big Ten Plus to put these on your channel, let me know. Two instant classics, not quite the lore of "the timeout game", but the four minutes following the stick toss should be immortalized on YouTube for generations to come. Pitlick is going viral, just not in the way he thought he would. There was probably a ~35% chance it'd be a Sioux fan that caught it, and sure enough. You are correct about Saturday's game being a classic. Would love to have it on the Blackheart channel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Realityguy said: While that take is a bit overdone by Gopher fans the perception is understandable. The average college senior is 21.5 or so. ND has 15 on the roster over the age of 22. Of the 7 Canadiens on the roster the average age is 22 with two of them being 24. The average age of the top 5 scorers for ND is 22.5 wiht 2 of them from Canada that are 23 and 24 years old. The average age of UMTC's top 5 scorers is 20 with two of them being 18 which is a age ND does not even have on its roster nor is there a skater on the UM roster that is from Canada. Does ND have a roster loaded with 24 year old Canadiens? No. Does ND have the success it has had over the years without overaged players coming from various places including Canada? Also no. Everyone of ND's players is legal, within the rules and 100% a valid player but let's not pretend there isn't a basis for the perception. I seem to remember a 17 year old Canadian with a strange name that played for us a few years back. I heard he had a little success playing in Chicago after UND. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Realityguy said: Does ND have the success it has had over the years without overaged players coming from various places including Canada? Also no. You could say that same thing about most teams that have had recent success in the NCAA tourney. UND and many other teams follow that same winning formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxScore Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 13 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said: No, but it was absolutely the right call. Clearly spun Kunz's helmet around in the scrum. I didn't see a face mask by any of our guys on the play and if there was one, it definitely was not to the level of Cooley's. It wasn't as bad but I think it was Kunz who did technically grab a Gopher facemask right away, no turn like Cooley though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: I seem to remember a 17 year old Canadian with a strange name that played for us a few years back. I heard he had a little success playing in Chicago after UND. So you have to go back 17 years to find a single player that goes against the age thing. Not sure you really you disqualified the perception. The last national championship for ND had 8 Canadiens with 2 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10 scorers from north of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, brianvf said: You could say that same thing about most teams that have had recent success in the NCAA tourney. UND and many other teams follow that same winning formula. I don't disagree. Gopher fans say the same thing about MInnesota State. I didn't say it was wrong or a bad plan. I only stated that the perception of Gopher fans that UND's roster is filled with players that are significantly older than most of their student peers and from north of the border is based in reality. Your statement seems to confirm that. I only responded to the poster that seemed to indicate he thought it was a bunch of made up BS. I was not degrading any program that has a roster like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brianvf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Realityguy said: So you have to go back 17 years to find a single player that goes against the age thing. Not sure you really you disqualified the perception. The last national championship for ND had 8 Canadiens with 2 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10 scorers from north of the border. Did you seriously create a login today to go thru this tired argument? MN hasn’t really had the best of luck lately with recruiting their young local talent, perhaps they need a few older Canadiens to get over that hump? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackheart Posted October 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: Somebody on here said it best. That is a celly that is only acceptable if its a GWG in OT....AND you should eye up a kid in your colors and toss it that way, not just randomly into the crowd. Gofer scores and throws stick into crowd for his “look at me” moment. Ensuing penalty kickstarts four goal rally by opponent. Now that’s Gofer hockey! 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeytherapy13 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 16 hours ago, 06 Sioux said: How does Kleven get a major and Thomas gets a 2 min for boarding I was at the game and thought the Thomas hit looked bad and worthy of review. I have (gopher fan) buddy who saw live from a different angle that thought the call was weak. Methinks I’m right but wondering if anyone has a replay so I have video evidence to plead my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1981 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Blackheart said: Gofer scores and throws stick into crowd for his “look at me” moment. Ensuing penalty kickstarts four goal rally by opponent. Now that’s Gofer hockey! So true. What a way to save a weekend of UND sports with the bad ending to friday's game and UND football 2nd half vs the Wabbits! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said: Does anyone have a video of this. I was at the game and thought it looked bad live. But I have (gopher fan) buddy closer to the hit who thought it wasn’t even a penalty. Methinks I’m right but I want video evidence if anyone has it Here it is. He gets two good shots in on Senden after the goal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsmack Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, brianvf said: Here it is. He gets two good shots in on Senden after the goal. Seems to me the ref had the discretion to call a cross check on the Gopher player moments after Senden had scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, brianvf said: Did you seriously create a login today to go thru this tired argument? MN hasn’t really had the best of luck lately with recruiting their young local talent, perhaps they need a few older Canadiens to get over that hump? Minnesota’s goalie Justen Close is 24 years old. From Saskatchewan. So looks like UND is not the only ones with the older Canadians. They seem to forget about this. Clearly they have decided UND is right and they need to follow our lead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Realityguy said: While that take is a bit overdone by Gopher fans the perception is understandable. The average college senior is 21.5 or so. ND has 15 on the roster over the age of 22. Of the 7 Canadiens on the roster the average age is 22 with two of them being 24. The average age of the top 5 scorers for ND is 22.5 wiht 2 of them from Canada that are 23 and 24 years old. The average age of UMTC's top 5 scorers is 20 with two of them being 18 which is a age ND does not even have on its roster nor is there a skater on the UM roster that is from Canada. Does ND have a roster loaded with 24 year old Canadiens? No. Does ND have the success it has had over the years without overaged players coming from various places including Canada? Also no. Everyone of ND's players is legal, within the rules and 100% a valid player but let's not pretend there isn't a basis for the perception. Until the 5th year of eligibility cycles out, average age is skewed. And if you're a top program not picking up hired guns out of the portal with the 5th year, your loss. UND is all overage Canadians, and MN is all divas from Edina. Neither is true but both have an undeniable presence in the lineups. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 You knew two months ago this was MN's year. Undeniable star power up front, but what really did it was inexplicably returning three veteran high-end defensemen. That was a shocker, and made them big favorites this year. Motzko can coach, we've seen that over the years. Maybe goaltending will be a weakness, but average goaltending can be enough sometimes. The Big Ten's weakness has failed to properly prepare teams for the postseason in the past, but that may be ending as the league improves. It'll just come down to whether they can win four games of playoff hockey, when checking gets tighter, the rink is smaller, and sometimes the bounces go the other way (like last night). Teams most likely to spoil it: UND, Denver, Mankato, Q. Maybe SCSU or Duluth, but I haven't seen them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, brianvf said: Did you seriously create a login today to go thru this tired argument? MN hasn’t really had the best of luck lately with recruiting their young local talent, perhaps they need a few older Canadiens to get over that hump? Did you watch the games this weekend? It was a split and congrats to ND for earning the split on the road but I am guessing recruiting has been going just fine for the Gophers as the discrepancy of talent was quite clear. UND knew how they had to play and they executed it well but if it wasn't for the transfer goalie I am guessing you are looking at two losses where the Gophers score about 8 in each game. I created the login because there appeared to be some knowledgeable and passionate hockey fans here. This "tired argument" is just the point I decided to discuss today. I did it without insults, rhetoric or childish retorts. Why so defensive and sensitive? AS stated a couple of times. I don't have a issue with older Canadiens but if someone is going to go after the Gopher fans insinuating they are making something up that is actually pretty close to fact, why shouldn't I point out the inaccuracy of the original post. Your first reply would seem to indicate that not only is it true, it is common across the more successful programs, which I also agreed, then the best you can do is to come at me with a criticism for creating a login to discuss it along with throwing out a lame attempt to take a shot at the recruiting success of the team that just dominated play against your team for the majority of the weekend. I am not here to argue lame rhetoric and insults. Got any points to actually discuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Realityguy said: Did you watch the games this weekend? It was a split and congrats to ND for earning the split on the road but I am guessing recruiting has been going just fine for the Gophers as the discrepancy of talent was quite clear. UND knew how they had to play and they executed it well but if it wasn't for the transfer goalie I am guessing you are looking at two losses where the Gophers score about 8 in each game. I created the login because there appeared to be some knowledgeable and passionate hockey fans here. This "tired argument" is just the point I decided to discuss today. I did it without insults, rhetoric or childish retorts. Why so defensive and sensitive? AS stated a couple of times. I don't have a issue with older Canadiens but if someone is going to go after the Gopher fans insinuating they are making something up that is actually pretty close to fact, why shouldn't I point out the inaccuracy of the original post. Your first reply would seem to indicate that not only is it true, it is common across the more successful programs, which I also agreed, then the best you can do is to come at me with a criticism for creating a login to discuss it along with throwing out a lame attempt to take a shot at the recruiting success of the team that just dominated play against your team for the majority of the weekend. I am not here to argue lame rhetoric and insults. Got any points to actually discuss? “UND hockey, beating more talented teams since 1948”! There is a reason that Minnesota is the home of perpetual losers, they don’t realize that a little heart and grit goes a long way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Barn Guy at Home Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Realityguy said: So you have to go back 17 years to find a single player that goes against the age thing. Not sure you really you disqualified the perception. The last national championship for ND had 8 Canadiens with 2 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10 scorers from north of the border. The last gopher championship had 3 North Dakota players on it! If Minnesota can't recruit players to win now, that's their own fault. Get over it. It was a great series and will be really something if they both play each other in the playoffs. And by the way, SKILL doesn't always win just alone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Old Barn Guy at Home said: The last gopher championship had 3 North Dakota players on it! If Minnesota can't recruit players to win now, that's their own fault. Get over it. It was a great series and will be really something if they both play each other in the playoffs. And by the way, SKILL doesn't always win just alone. Just ask Michigan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: Until the 5th year of eligibility cycles out, average age is skewed. And if you're a top program not picking up hired guns out of the portal with the 5th year, your loss. UND is all overage Canadians, and MN is all divas from Edina. Neither is true but both have an undeniable presence in the lineups. Absolutely true that the extra year and transfer portal has provided opportunities for players and programs alike but I am not sure it has anything to do with the point at hand. The 2015-16 National Championship team from UND had about 8 Canadians with 3 of them 23-24 years old. Transfer portal and extra year came after that years after that. UND has a formula that is within the rules and has provided great success but it is not new or a result of those things mentioned. I am not sure why everyone is so defensive. I only pointed out the reality that the perception of Gopher fans is based in fact while the Gophers have ONE Edina kid but acknowledge Eden Prairie and Wayzata are also represented which isn't really any different that Edina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, tnt said: “UND hockey, beating more talented teams since 1948”! There is a reason that Minnesota is the home of perpetual losers, they don’t realize that a little heart and grit goes a long way. I 100% agree. The Gophers recruit a entire roster top six forwards and then wonder why they always get knocked out by a team with less skill and talent. A bit of grit and sandpaper would go a long way to improving the Gophers chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realityguy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Old Barn Guy at Home said: The last gopher championship had 3 North Dakota players on it! If Minnesota can't recruit players to win now, that's their own fault. Get over it. It was a great series and will be really something if they both play each other in the playoffs. And by the way, SKILL doesn't always win just alone. Yep, and the last ND championship had 8 Minnesota players and 8 Canadians. What is your point? It was a great series and I have not disparaged ND in any way. I only pointed out that the perception the Gopher fans have about the roster is actually reality. It seems like the ND fans are a bit sensitive about it. Everyone spent about 5 pages worth of comments here picking on and making fun of Gopher fans while acting the exact same overly sensitive and arrogant way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fighting Sioux 23 Posted October 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 Not that it really matters, but here are the facts about ages and the 2015-2016 North Dakota squad that played in the National Title game on the day of the championship (Canadian Players with an *): Brock Boeser - 19 Drake Caggiula - 21* Nick Schmaltz - 20 Troy Stecher - 22* (22nd birthday was the day of the Semifinal win over Denver) Austin Poganski - 20 Tucker Poolman - 22 Bryn Chyzyk - 23* Paul LaDue - 23 Rhett Gardner - 20* Johnny Simonson - 22 Keaton Thompson - 20 Christian Wolanin - 21 Coltyn Sanderson - 24* Shane Gersich - 19 Gage Ausmus - 20 Joel Janatuinen - 21 Trevor Olson - 22 Colton St. Clair - 23 Cam Johnson - 21 # of Canadians: 5 (26% of lineup) Average Age of Canadians: 22 Average Age of Entire Team: 21 (7th youngest team in college hockey that season - 3 months younger than this year's Gopher squad) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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