2022-23 University of North Dakota Hockey Season

[tnt]

3 hours ago, Benny Baker said:

 

Not really though. Plenty of 18-year old forwards recently. Boeser, Hain, Schmaltz, Caggiula, and the list goes on. Moreover, Caggiula has a later June birthday than Spicer. 

I think the bigger problem in an era where older teams seem to be in the mix at the end of the year (see Minnesota’s whining), is that we most likely will have two other guys coming of high school age, and McGlaughlin is a 2003 birthdate, so it wasn’t a great scenario to bring in another, especially with the number of returning forwards.

[Benny Baker]

1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:

The point of my 18 year old comp was about him being the youngest player since Toews (I didn't realize Cag was younger) to come in to UND, making that talent rare. Schmaltz, Cag, Boeser are all good examples. No need to overthink this.

I’m not. 

13 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We just wanted the kid, who would be the first 18 year old forward to come into UND since Jonny Toews, to play one more year in junior. Spicer made his decision. 

A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews.

I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. 

[gfhockey]

17 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

I’m not. 

A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews.

I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. 

Finally a voice of reason

[Oxbow6]

9 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

With our depth, I really like the idea of James skating against other teams 3rd and 4th liners. We’ll probably be rolling 4 lines most weeks. Judd isn’t my favorite guy on a scoring line, but he’s still got a chance to prove he can step up.

3 uninspired years hasn't been enough of an opportunity? No way he should get top 6 minutes next season. 

Unique size, skating and skill combo but not much to show for it at UND so far.

[Oxbow6]

Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk??

[Oxbow6]

Strinden will be a regular at the end of the season when it really matters.

[Benny Baker]

8 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk??

^^^^^THIS^^^^^
This is what has me so confused/frustrated.

 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk??

To prevent announcers from making that awkward slip-up of "the Spicey Budy line"?

[stoneySIOUX]

47 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

I’m not. 

A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews.

I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. 

Like I said and corrected, I meant to say/should have said he would have been the youngest since Toews (although I missed Cag). It was meant to be a comp between Spicer and Toews. Sorry for the confusion. 

[stoneySIOUX]

13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk??

One needs a scholly, the other does not.

[SJHovey]

15 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

3 uninspired years hasn't been enough of an opportunity? No way he should get top 6 minutes next season. 

Unique size, skating and skill combo but not much to show for it at UND so far.

Caulfield scored the same number of goals, and just one fewer assist in his junior season as did Luke Johnson in his third and final season. And Johnson played more games.

[Oxbow6]

11 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

Caulfield scored the same number of goals, and just one fewer assist in his junior season as did Luke Johnson in his third and final season. And Johnson played more games.

Luke Johson......that's the hill you're going to die on??

Anyone here think Spicer wouldn't have put up 20-25 points in his 3rd year?

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:

Hain was 18 (2 months older than Spicer); Caulfield was 18 (3 months older); Mishmash was 18 (4 months older). Those are just the most recent players coming from the NTDP, like Spicer would have.  None of them were first rounders, but all 18 year-old freshman. 
 

But seeing where Hain, Caulfield, and Mishmash are at in their careers, perhaps Spicer could use another year. 

Given the history pointed out here, asking Spicer to go to the USHL for a season was prudent for his development.

Dare I say Spicer’s decision to my eyes is imprudent. 

[Benny Baker]

35 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Like I said and corrected, I meant to say/should have said he would have been the youngest since Toews (although I missed Cag). It was meant to be a comp between Spicer and Toews. Sorry for the confusion. 

David Toews might be the better comparison. (June birthday before his 18-year old freshman season).  Guys like D Toews, Brad Malone, Michael Forney, and Drake Caggiula all had birthdays within a month of Spicer’s before their 18-year old freshman seasons. Worked out for some; not for others. 

Jonny Toews is a different ballpark.  He played his LAST game at UND as an 18-year old. 

[Benny Baker]

9 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Given the history pointed out here, asking Spicer to go to the USHL for a season was prudent for his development.

Dare I say Spicer’s decision to my eyes is imprudent. 

Right?  If I recall correctly, seeing how similar their stat lines were during their last year at NTDP and how things have shaped out for all three of them since then is rather telling of how things could go for Spicer. 

However, I think I’d roll the dice with a freshman Spicer over a senior Budy. 

[SJHovey]

45 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Luke Johson......that's the hill you're going to die on??

Anyone here think Spicer wouldn't have put up 20-25 points in his 3rd year?

Luke was tied for fourth in goal scoring on an ok 2015-16 team that year.

[The Sicatoka]

Player's final season with US national team and first season with UND

Season    Team    League    GP    G    A    Pts    PIM    +/-
2016-17    U.S. National USHL    26    8    16    24    44    12 Grant Mismash
2017-18    U.S. National USHL    25    7    11    18    14    11 Gavin Hain
2018-19    U.S. National USHL    28    6    19    25    18    11 Judd Caulfield
2021-22    U.S. National USHL    26    10    6    16    10    5 Cole Spicer 
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2017-18    U. of North Dakota    NCHC    38    9    13    22    35    4 Grant Mishmash
2018-19    U. of North Dakota    NCHC    31    6    3    9    28    16 Gavin Hain 
2019-20    U. of North Dakota    NCHC    29    4    8    12    7    13 Judd Caulfield

 

They all could have used a season in the USHL. 

[Wilbur]

I'm not sure if it's been said here or not, but there seems to be a stigma within the NTDP kids about playing a year of juniors instead of going directly to college.  

As @The Sicatoka mentioned above, we have seen our share at UND that could have used more time in juniors, but instead came right away.

I mean you have your Cooleys and Zegras type kids that don't need that extra year and won't miss a beat, but then you have a kid like Scheel where we know what another year of development did for the kid instead of jumping in too soon. 

 

[Emerald joker]

3 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Matteo 

Gotcha, i’m too used to last names :)

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

6 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Yeah you’d think out of those 4 guys at minimum 1 or 2 would be able to bury the puck at the NCAA level. Is it October yet?

Someone already on the team will take a leap. Too much raw talent for nobody to do so. Farmer could unleash Moore to play more offensively.

[The Sicatoka]

32 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

I mean you have your Cooleys …

Until he steps on the ‘ucci ice, he is an unknown at the collegiate level as well. 

[Oxbow6]

Calder had 11 goals on a very offensively challenged team.....same as Luke Johnson in 15-16 yet Calder was basically told to look elsewhere. Meanwhile Budy is around cause he needs a "scholly". Spicer was told we don't need your talent cause at 18 you're not Johnny Toews. If I missed anything let me know.

[AJS]

16 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

One needs a scholly, the other does not.

Is this true, Men's hockey, very few players are on a true full scholarship (100%)? Or was it like that at one time? I would also guess that very few are truly not on any portion of a scholarship. It's not a stretch that Budy's % would be cut if elected to stay next year, but the numbers are still not adding up. To varying degrees, all four Freshman would be getting scholarship $. When I think of guys that wouldn't be getting $ or at least a small portion it would be Feeney / Albrecht (at least the first few years), guys that are truly brought in for depth.

I know you aren't saying this, but redirecting my post a little, if we believe that we'll see 4 Freshman forwards, then they won't be staying at 17 and we will see movement. It just doesn't make sense to keep it at that number.

 

[stoneySIOUX]

53 minutes ago, AJS said:

Is this true, Men's hockey, very few players are on a true full scholarship (100%)? Or was it like that at one time? I would also guess that very few are truly not on any portion of a scholarship. It's not a stretch that Budy's % would be cut if elected to stay next year, but the numbers are still not adding up. To varying degrees, all four Freshman would be getting scholarship $. When I think of guys that wouldn't be getting $ or at least a small portion it would be Feeney / Albrecht (at least the first few years), guys that are truly brought in for depth.

I know you aren't saying this, but redirecting my post a little, if we believe that we'll see 4 Freshman forwards, then they won't be staying at 17 and we will see movement. It just doesn't make sense to keep it at that number.

 

18 scholarships per team divvied out as the team sees fit. Some are definitely getting little to no money athletically (can still get academic scholarships, too). My guess is that Blake and McLaughlin are close to full, James a little less and Striden less than James. Strinden could also be getting large academic scholarships. My guess is that Budy is getting very little money if any at all.

[Walsh Hall]

1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

Calder had 11 goals on a very offensively challenged team.....same as Luke Johnson in 15-16 yet Calder was basically told to look elsewhere. Meanwhile Budy is around cause he needs a "scholly". Spicer was told we don't need your talent cause at 18 you're not Johnny Toews. If I missed anything let me know.

I think the point is that having Budy go to the portal will NOT free up any scholarship money.