Wilbur Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Emerald joker said: You forgot Constantini, or did something happen that I don’t know about Matteo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lubowski Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Matteo Not sure I’ve seen a name misspelled as much as Matteo’s; it’s Costantini. Only 2 ns, not 3… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said: Sorry, Cag was a week younger. I'm saying is one of the youngest. My point is that that age is typically reserved for players that are, with the exception of Hain, first round talent (yes, I understand Cag was undrafted). I'm saying I don't think Spicer is that player. We'll see. I think everyone agrees with you that Spicer isn’t that player. I think others disagree that being an 18-year old freshman is rare. Hain was 18 (2 months older than Spicer); Caulfield was 18 (3 months older); Mishmash was 18 (4 months older). Those are just the most recent players coming from the NTDP, like Spicer would have. None of them were first rounders, but all 18 year-old freshman. But seeing where Hain, Caulfield, and Mishmash are at in their careers, perhaps Spicer could use another year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Benny Baker said: I think everyone agrees with you that Spicer isn’t that player. I think others disagree that being an 18-year old freshman is rare. Hain was 18 (2 months older than Spicer); Caulfield was 18 (3 months older); Mishmash was 18 (4 months older). Those are just the most recent players coming from the NTDP, like Spicer would have. None of them were first rounders, but all 18 year-old freshman. But seeing where Hain, Caulfield, and Mishmash are at in their careers, perhaps Spicer could use another year. The point of my 18 year old comp was about him being the youngest player since Toews (I didn't realize Cag was younger) to come in to UND, making that talent rare. Schmaltz, Cag, Boeser are all good examples. No need to overthink this. Trying to develop the understanding that losing Spicer sucks, but it's not the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Benny Baker said: Not really though. Plenty of 18-year old forwards recently. Boeser, Hain, Schmaltz, Caggiula, and the list goes on. Moreover, Caggiula has a later June birthday than Spicer. I think the bigger problem in an era where older teams seem to be in the mix at the end of the year (see Minnesota’s whining), is that we most likely will have two other guys coming of high school age, and McGlaughlin is a 2003 birthdate, so it wasn’t a great scenario to bring in another, especially with the number of returning forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said: The point of my 18 year old comp was about him being the youngest player since Toews (I didn't realize Cag was younger) to come in to UND, making that talent rare. Schmaltz, Cag, Boeser are all good examples. No need to overthink this. I’m not. 13 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said: We just wanted the kid, who would be the first 18 year old forward to come into UND since Jonny Toews, to play one more year in junior. Spicer made his decision. A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews. I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Benny Baker said: I’m not. A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews. I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. Finally a voice of reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFanSince1990 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SIOUXELEVENS said: Just switch Judd with James and good to go With our depth, I really like the idea of James skating against other teams 3rd and 4th liners. We’ll probably be rolling 4 lines most weeks. Judd isn’t my favorite guy on a scoring line, but he’s still got a chance to prove he can step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said: With our depth, I really like the idea of James skating against other teams 3rd and 4th liners. We’ll probably be rolling 4 lines most weeks. Judd isn’t my favorite guy on a scoring line, but he’s still got a chance to prove he can step up. 3 uninspired years hasn't been enough of an opportunity? No way he should get top 6 minutes next season. Unique size, skating and skill combo but not much to show for it at UND so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Oxbow6 Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk?? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Strinden will be a regular at the end of the season when it really matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk?? ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ This is what has me so confused/frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk?? To prevent announcers from making that awkward slip-up of "the Spicey Budy line"? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, Benny Baker said: I’m not. A few people (myself included) were confused by your claim that Spicer would have been the first 18-year old forward at UND since Toews. I was only pointing out that there have been numerous 18-year old forwards at UND recently. Like I said and corrected, I meant to say/should have said he would have been the youngest since Toews (although I missed Cag). It was meant to be a comp between Spicer and Toews. Sorry for the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Can someone tell me how Budy is still around but Spicer was allowed to walk?? One needs a scholly, the other does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: 3 uninspired years hasn't been enough of an opportunity? No way he should get top 6 minutes next season. Unique size, skating and skill combo but not much to show for it at UND so far. Caulfield scored the same number of goals, and just one fewer assist in his junior season as did Luke Johnson in his third and final season. And Johnson played more games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, SJHovey said: Caulfield scored the same number of goals, and just one fewer assist in his junior season as did Luke Johnson in his third and final season. And Johnson played more games. Luke Johson......that's the hill you're going to die on?? Anyone here think Spicer wouldn't have put up 20-25 points in his 3rd year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Sicatoka Posted April 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Benny Baker said: Hain was 18 (2 months older than Spicer); Caulfield was 18 (3 months older); Mishmash was 18 (4 months older). Those are just the most recent players coming from the NTDP, like Spicer would have. None of them were first rounders, but all 18 year-old freshman. But seeing where Hain, Caulfield, and Mishmash are at in their careers, perhaps Spicer could use another year. Given the history pointed out here, asking Spicer to go to the USHL for a season was prudent for his development. Dare I say Spicer’s decision to my eyes is imprudent. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: Like I said and corrected, I meant to say/should have said he would have been the youngest since Toews (although I missed Cag). It was meant to be a comp between Spicer and Toews. Sorry for the confusion. David Toews might be the better comparison. (June birthday before his 18-year old freshman season). Guys like D Toews, Brad Malone, Michael Forney, and Drake Caggiula all had birthdays within a month of Spicer’s before their 18-year old freshman seasons. Worked out for some; not for others. Jonny Toews is a different ballpark. He played his LAST game at UND as an 18-year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Given the history pointed out here, asking Spicer to go to the USHL for a season was prudent for his development. Dare I say Spicer’s decision to my eyes is imprudent. Right? If I recall correctly, seeing how similar their stat lines were during their last year at NTDP and how things have shaped out for all three of them since then is rather telling of how things could go for Spicer. However, I think I’d roll the dice with a freshman Spicer over a senior Budy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Luke Johson......that's the hill you're going to die on?? Anyone here think Spicer wouldn't have put up 20-25 points in his 3rd year? Luke was tied for fourth in goal scoring on an ok 2015-16 team that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Player's final season with US national team and first season with UND Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM +/- 2016-17 U.S. National USHL 26 8 16 24 44 12 Grant Mismash 2017-18 U.S. National USHL 25 7 11 18 14 11 Gavin Hain 2018-19 U.S. National USHL 28 6 19 25 18 11 Judd Caulfield 2021-22 U.S. National USHL 26 10 6 16 10 5 Cole Spicer --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2017-18 U. of North Dakota NCHC 38 9 13 22 35 4 Grant Mishmash 2018-19 U. of North Dakota NCHC 31 6 3 9 28 16 Gavin Hain 2019-20 U. of North Dakota NCHC 29 4 8 12 7 13 Judd Caulfield They all could have used a season in the USHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 I'm not sure if it's been said here or not, but there seems to be a stigma within the NTDP kids about playing a year of juniors instead of going directly to college. As @The Sicatoka mentioned above, we have seen our share at UND that could have used more time in juniors, but instead came right away. I mean you have your Cooleys and Zegras type kids that don't need that extra year and won't miss a beat, but then you have a kid like Scheel where we know what another year of development did for the kid instead of jumping in too soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald joker Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Wilbur said: Matteo Gotcha, i’m too used to last names :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 6 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: Yeah you’d think out of those 4 guys at minimum 1 or 2 would be able to bury the puck at the NCAA level. Is it October yet? Someone already on the team will take a leap. Too much raw talent for nobody to do so. Farmer could unleash Moore to play more offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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