AJS Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 My ideal scenario would be Western / Miami goes to the new CCHA, Bemidji and Mankato replaces them in the NCHC. Who (outside of Western) says no? Waive any type of exit fee. It just makes sense. It would be more financially viable for all schools. Creating for the most part two bus leagues. Travel costs goes down, you'd see a slight uptick in ticket sales as easy road trips for the majority of schools fan base. If Western doesn't want to leave, then keep them and replace Miami with Mankato. It just makes too much sense for everyone to not do it. 2 3 Quote
Popular Post Siouxperfan7 Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Posted April 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, AJS said: My ideal scenario would be Western / Miami goes to the new CCHA, Bemidji and Mankato replaces them in the NCHC. Who (outside of Western) says no? Waive any type of exit fee. It just makes sense. It would be more financially viable for all schools. Creating for the most part two bus leagues. Travel costs goes down, you'd see a slight uptick in ticket sales as easy road trips for the majority of schools fan base. If Western doesn't want to leave, then keep them and replace Miami with Mankato. It just makes too much sense for everyone to not do it. I thought it was the NATIONAL Collegiate Hockey Conference not the Minnesota Collegiate Hockey Conference?!! 6 Quote
Popular Post SiouxFanatic Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Posted April 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, AJS said: My ideal scenario would be Western / Miami goes to the new CCHA, Bemidji and Mankato replaces them in the NCHC. Who (outside of Western) says no? Waive any type of exit fee. It just makes sense. It would be more financially viable for all schools. Creating for the most part two bus leagues. Travel costs goes down, you'd see a slight uptick in ticket sales as easy road trips for the majority of schools fan base. If Western doesn't want to leave, then keep them and replace Miami with Mankato. It just makes too much sense for everyone to not do it. No, no, no, and NO to Bemidji. I do not miss being in the same conference as them. Hell, UND playing them routinely in OOC games even got stale. If they left, St. Thomas would be the lone Minnesota school in the CCHA. ASU and Mankato would be good. I think biggest reason Arizona State didn’t get into NCHC when they first applied is because they didn’t have shovels in the ground for arena. Pretty sure Mankato was a shoo-in to even out the numbers. I don’t care if Miami chose to leave but I’d ultimately be pretty bummed if WMU left. Games against them are competitive and fun to watch. 1 4 Quote
farce poobah Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bale31 said: 95% of fans and the administra ton would move to the nchc in a second. In fact, I heard (not sure if it's completely true or not), that msu told the other schools when the ccha was formed that we were still going to make the push to join the nchc. It just makes sense for us. There is little fan excitement about playing Ferris or bg or lssu. There just isn't a natural rivalry with them. Have you heard (or has anyone else) about the number of conference games the CCHA will play? If there's a 24 game conference season, that leaves 10 non-conference games and much more room for interesting games to come to Mankato. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 To the point of number of games ... Eight teams is optimal for a conference. You play seven opponents four times each for 28 conference games. In a world of six hockey conference (HEA, AHA, ECAC, B1G, W(C)CHA, NCHC) it'd be nice to play two games against each other conference (however you'd do it). That's ten games. The NCAA needs to raise the games limit to 38 per season. Quote
petey23 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, AJS said: My ideal scenario would be Western / Miami goes to the new CCHA, Bemidji and Mankato replaces them in the NCHC. Who (outside of Western) says no? Waive any type of exit fee. It just makes sense. It would be more financially viable for all schools. Creating for the most part two bus leagues. Travel costs goes down, you'd see a slight uptick in ticket sales as easy road trips for the majority of schools fan base. If Western doesn't want to leave, then keep them and replace Miami with Mankato. It just makes too much sense for everyone to not do it. no Quote
gfhockey Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, AJS said: My ideal scenario would be Western / Miami goes to the new CCHA, Bemidji and Mankato replaces them in the NCHC. Who (outside of Western) says no? Waive any type of exit fee. It just makes sense. It would be more financially viable for all schools. Creating for the most part two bus leagues. Travel costs goes down, you'd see a slight uptick in ticket sales as easy road trips for the majority of schools fan base. If Western doesn't want to leave, then keep them and replace Miami with Mankato. It just makes too much sense for everyone to not do it. Dumbest post of the year award back to square one with little budget schools out numbering big budget schools on votes Quote
Benny Baker Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 If NCHC replaces WMU and Miami with Mankato and Bemidji, can we all agree the "National" was a huge mistake? It's literally the old WCHA minus Minnesota, Wisconsin, Anchorage, and Michigan Tech. At this rate, might as well ask MTU to come back, bring the McNaughton, and we can right this wrong by renaming the league the WCHA. Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, farce poobah said: Have you heard (or has anyone else) about the number of conference games the CCHA will play? If there's a 24 game conference season, that leaves 10 non-conference games and much more room for interesting games to come to Mankato. I believe its 24. There are a bunch of tech fans upset with it, but they are very much focused on the expense side of things rather than the idea of growing the pie. Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Dumbest post of the year award back to square one with little budget schools out numbering big budget schools on votes Are Miami and would bigger budgets than msu? I would imagine it's close to even. Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Benny Baker said: If NCHC replaces WMU and Miami with Mankato and Bemidji, can we all agree the "National" was a huge mistake? It's literally the old WCHA minus Minnesota, Wisconsin, Anchorage, and Michigan Tech. At this rate, might as well ask MTU to come back, bring the McNaughton, and we can right this wrong by renaming the league the WCHA. I think you could make an argument that the nchc didn't turn out to be what the schools expected. I wouldn't necessarily call it a mistake, but not the financial windfall that was expected. In my view, the nchc schools overestimated the size of the college hockey niche, at least as it stands today. They expected to be able to make a truly national conference, but overestimated the amount of interest that the market would bear. Very few markets have the financial potential of und in terms of fan support in relation to size of school. Und is unique in that standpoint and expecting the same from any non-p5 conference schools is probably unrealistic. Quote
Goon Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, bale31 said: Are Miami and would bigger budgets than msu? I would imagine it's close to even. I doubt it, Miami is a MAC School. Quote
hky Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 I like Western's style of play. And Andy Murray. Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Goon said: I doubt it, Miami is a MAC School. I mean, the coachs' salary's are all about even. Hastings is $350K, Murray is $300K and Blasi's last year was about $365K (I couldn't find Bergereon's). I know it's only coaches, but I guess my assumption is the rest of the budgets would be relatively equal. For what it's worth, Hastings is quite a bit above Brett Larson, too. Quote
AJS Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Really surprised by the pushback from my post. I thought that would have been the general consensus. For those against it, is it both Bemidji and Mankato for Western / Miami? Would you support a Miami for Mankato switch? The NCHC was formed to compete with the Big 10 as the fear at the time was you would have big schools with big budgets and they would basically take over power in college hockey. That never came to fruition. The Big 10 is on the upswing, but we have enough data to know that the original fears will never truly materialize. Let's start over with Miami for Mankato. Who says no (outside of Bemidji and Western)? UND is trading one flight for a bus trip. NCHC Tournament there's one more team within close proximity. 2 Quote
gfhockey Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Goon said: I doubt it, Miami is a MAC School. Miami had a lot bigger budgets then msu Quote
gfhockey Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, AJS said: Really surprised by the pushback from my post. I thought that would have been the general consensus. For those against it, is it both Bemidji and Mankato for Western / Miami? Would you support a Miami for Mankato switch? The NCHC was formed to compete with the Big 10 as the fear at the time was you would have big schools with big budgets and they would basically take over power in college hockey. That never came to fruition. The Big 10 is on the upswing, but we have enough data to know that the original fears will never truly materialize. Let's start over with Miami for Mankato. Who says no (outside of Bemidji and Western)? UND is trading one flight for a bus trip. NCHC Tournament there's one more team within close proximity. Sill NO und wants to align it self with d1 schools in all sports 2nd dumbest post of the year Quote
gfhockey Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, bale31 said: Are Miami and would bigger budgets than msu? I would imagine it's close to even. Lmfao Miami is at $38million mankota is $17 millions yeah very close pal! Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Lmfao Miami is at $38million mankota is $17 millions yeah very close pal! You need to compare hockey budget to hockey budget. Comparing the overall athletic budget is completely irrelevant to this. Quote
AJS Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Sill NO und wants to align it self with d1 schools in all sports 2nd dumbest post of the year What are they doing in the NCHC then? Quote
siouxfan512 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Purely from a fan standpoint I would be ok with swapping Mankato for Miami. As stated this doesn't necessarily benefit the conference as a whole in terms of size of schools/programs/budgets. But they have done a tremendous job building that program and are fun to watch. I like watching Western play. They are always physical and tough to play against. Quote
iluvdebbies Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 If we are getting rid of Miami because they are aren't very good.....let's get rid of CC too... Quote
gfhockey Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, AJS said: What are they doing in the NCHC then? Closet they can get Moren d-1 schools in nchc then ccha Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, AJS said: What are they doing in the NCHC then? NCHC DI schools: UND, DU, WMU, Miami, UNO NCHC DII schools: UMD, SCSU NCHC DIII schools: CC WCHA DI schools: BGSU WCHA DII schools: MSU-M, LSS, BSU, MTU, NMU, FSU, UAH(?) Quote
bale31 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: NCHC DI schools: UND, DU, WMU, Miami, UNO NCHC DII schools: UMD, SCSU NCHC DIII schools: CC WCHA DI schools: BGSU WCHA DII schools: MSU-M, LSS, BSU, MTU, NMU, FSU, UAH(?) UAH is not in the CCHA. They seem to be on the path to joining AHA. Quote
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