JohnboyND7 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, Goon said: You need to have a convention of states to change the constitution. I dont believe that is the case. It is one of two ways to get the Constitution changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: I agree to a degree. But this entire situation is under the umbrella of Trump's governance. You can blame liberal governors all you want, not since the 1960s has this country been in such disarray. Since then we've had both liberal or republican leadership. How can you blame lawlessness in Blue States on the president? Mayor Wheeler just turned down federal help. Again. Dan Rather is a moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: These right wing protesters never killed anyone, they never used lasers to blind cops, they never set any buildings on fire, they didnt vandalized anything, they never rioted, they simply are tired of the anarchy. There would have been no violence if the antifa would give them some space They're not protesters, they're thugs just like Antifa.....especially as it pertains to Portland. My point is, if Trump was truly interested in law and order, he'd hold everybody accountable that's causing this mess and/or adding to it. Obviously, despite the rhetoric, the Right has no interest in doing as such. The 'law and order' shtick is just a political tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Is this peaceful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: I agree to a degree. But this entire situation is under the umbrella of Trump's governance. You can blame liberal governors all you want, not since the 1960s has this country been in such disarray. Since then we've had both liberal or republican leadership. LOcal leadership which is Democrtic have dome nothing to quell the violence so please quit blaming TRump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: They're not protesters, they're thugs just like Antifa.....especially as it pertains to Portland. My point is, if Trump was truly interested in law and order, he'd hold everybody accountable that's causing this mess and/or adding to it. Obviously, despite the rhetoric, the Right has no interest in doing as such. The 'law and order' shtick is just a political tool. The wheels of justice move slowly. Can you imagine if they start sending folks to jail for 10-20 years. Some of this lawlessness will slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Dan Rather, the bastion of truth, not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The main problem with Trump as it pertains to the issue of violence is he (more than any recent president) preys on existing divisions. His divisiveness seeps into everything. He subtly incites violence, then counters with 'law and order' platform. It's a good political tactic, but awful for the country. Case in point: Everybody knows sending the Feds into cities was a huge contentious issue at a volatile time. Yet Trump chose to threaten some left wing cities with federal action despite little or no violence occurring in these cities. Basic trolling aimed at causing more division and potential protest. Never has Trump stood up in front of the country and made an attempt at national unity. Not once. It's not in his interest. The President sets the tone. He sets the standard. Unfortunately Trump is a reality TV show President. His unprofessional and divisive mentality seeps into everything below it and everyone follows suit to keep up (both Rep and Dem). Unlike ever before this country has no middle ground and both sides just spew vitriol at eachother. And here we sit with a circus government, cities dealing with violence, employment sky-high, Covid everywhere, the economy in the toilet, bread lines, and citizens and politicians at eachother's throats like never before, etc. Trump's America folks. Is America great again yet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Goon said: That doesn’t justify a shooting or violence. Is there a rule that only lefties can protest peacefully in Portland or Seattle? I am just asking. Why yes, of course there is a rule against anybody other than "lefties" protesting there. But, of course. Now, hide. Antifa is on their way! Posting from one of my many accounts here. ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Well this is interesting. Maybe there should be more stories like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Goon said: Well this is interesting. Maybe there should be more stories like this. No problem. The president's campaign never pays those bills either: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-tab-maga-rallies-jumps-18-million-14-cities-say-president-hasnt-paid-police-1498410 Donald Trump's Tab For MAGA Rallies Jumps to $1.8 Million as 14 Cities Say President Hasn't Paid Police Bills, Report Finds Seriously, you cult members really make this easy... Time to switch accounts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said: Time to switch accounts! Well duh! Glad to see you finally come clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Good to see from Schloss's Twitter feed he's all in on "cases". I'm also glad to see ND must have peaked Friday because positve cases dropped by 40% to Saturday (yesterday)......right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Goon said: Well duh! Glad to see you finally come clean. I m also Oxbow6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: Popular vote will never be used elect a president. The electoral college is here to stay because good luck getting 2/3 of the states to change it. Small states will never give away that power as it is why many states decided to join the union. The electoral college ultimately came to be because of slavery, slave states not willing to join unless there was a compromise on slaves counted toward representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: I m also Oxbow6. That’s doubtful @Oxbow6 posts don’t end in LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nodak78 Posted August 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said: The electoral college ultimately came to be because of slavery, not because of small states not willing to join. You are so full of it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Goon said: That’s doubtful @Oxbow6 posts don’t end in LOL. I'm not happy when I post support toward Trump. I just can't bring myself to LOL then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Sleepy Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Nodak78 said: You are so full of it. Common knowledge. The south sought a compromise in representation. They got it for the US House. A direct election of the president would negate that compromise. Thus, the electoral college was born. Basic civics. https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention "In 1787, roughly 40 percent of people living in the Southern states were black slaves, who couldn’t vote. James Madison from Virginia—where slaves accounted for 60 percent of the population—knew that either a direct presidential election, or one with electors divvied up according to free white residents only, wouldn’t fly in the South." Those slaves, considered and later codified as property by the Dred Scott decision, counted each as 3/5 a person towards representation in the US House of Representatives. Even though they had no prayer of voting. And again were considered property. So, those southern states would gain more representation in the US House. In turn, in order to tilt the scale toward the south again in presidential elections, the states were give two electoral votes for their US Senators and one electoral vote for each member of the US House of Representatives. its indisputable. Unless you're really freaking stupid or insane. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdway Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Common knowledge. The south sought a compromise in representation. They got it for the US House. A direct election of the president would negate that compromise. Thus, the electoral college was born. Basic civics. https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention "In 1787, roughly 40 percent of people living in the Southern states were black slaves, who couldn’t vote. James Madison from Virginia—where slaves accounted for 60 percent of the population—knew that either a direct presidential election, or one with electors divvied up according to free white residents only, wouldn’t fly in the South." Those slaves, considered and later codified as property by the Dred Scott decision, counted each as 3/5 a person towards representation in the US House of Representatives. Even though they had no prayer of voting. And again were considered property. So, those southern states would gain more representation in the US House. In turn, in order to tilt the scale toward the south again in presidential elections, the states were give two electoral votes for their US Senators and one electoral vote for each member of the US House of Representatives. its indisputable. Unless you're really freaking stupid or insane. Them Democrats sure were/are racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MrEdway said: Them Democrats sure were/are racists. This was decided before there were our current and possibly any political parties in our country.. That is also indisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Check this out. Yes, by the way it’s true. Also, even liberal Snopes admits it. I tried it and it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Goon said: Check this out. Yes, by the way it’s true. Also, even liberal Snopes admits it. I tried it and it works. Check this out. Google "idiot" under images: Goodness. You cultists continue to make this sooooo easy. Here it comes! LMFAO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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