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Of course Trump is.  That's not the point though. 

The point is national populism has invaded the right-wing.  It's left-wing equivalent has not invaded the left to the same degree.  Hillary and Biden are the pure definition of 'same old, same old'.  

Policy wise you think Trump is further right than Bernie is left? He is literally a socialist?

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21 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Not really.  

Both parties have shifted towards the extreme, but the right-wing has shifted more.  Bernie is the left-wing equivalent of Trump on the political spectrum......both movements spawned by populism.  Yet it was/is Hillary and Biden on the ticket.  Traditionalists. 

The chaos in the WH is also driving some traditional Republicans away.   We are in a time of crisis; the least we should expect from the President is stability and maturity.  Yet the WH resembles the Apprentice or a WWE match more than it does the Presidency. 

Had Barack Obama run for office in 2020 on his 2008 platform he'd have been called every name in the book, by his own party. Bigot, homophobe, God knows what else. Probably Uncle Tom?

Bernie is much further left on pretty much every matter than Don is to the right. 

Don's 2016 platform...kinda hard to label necessarily on a right-left scale. He's generally all over the place (for better or for worse).

 

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28 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Not really.  

Both parties have shifted towards the extreme, but the right-wing has shifted more.  Bernie is the left-wing equivalent of Trump on the political spectrum......both movements spawned by populism.  Yet it was/is Hillary and Biden on the ticket.  Traditionalists. 

The chaos in the WH is also driving some traditional Republicans away.   We are in a time of crisis; the least we should expect from the President is stability and maturity.  Yet the WH resembles the Apprentice or a WWE match more than it does the Presidency. 

define chaos please.

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you keep posting this, but do you understand that the stuff the left keeps trying to trumpet is the exact reason that there is a ton of traditional Dems saying that they will not be voting for them this time. I dare say that they may out way the ones going the other way....we shall see

 

We're talking government/ex-government officials here, perhaps I should of made that clearer.   There are many traditional Republicans voting Dem this election.   Where are the Dem officials voting Trump at?  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Only because Trump can't say the far-right stuff out loud.

But Biden can......”you ain’t black if you vote for Trump.” 

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10 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I don't buy that a person who has been in the public eye all of his life and had never been accused of being alt-right or a white supremacist all of a sudden became a racist. He has condemned far right ideology on numerous occasions, but you won't see that part on CNN.

He is definitely a fascist, but nobody uses the term anywhere near as freely as socialist gets used.

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2 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

We're talking government/ex-government officials here, perhaps I should of made that clearer.   There are many traditional Republicans voting Dem this election.   Where are the Dem officials voting Trump at?  

 

 

how about 2 congressman switching from Dem to Rep.  Jones  and the other from NJ.

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2 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

how about 2 congressman switching from Dem to Rep.  Jones  and the other from NJ.

 

Good you found 2.  You have a couple hundred more to go to reach the Republican level voting Dem this election.    Keep searching!    

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Good you found 2.  You have a couple hundred more to go to reach the Republican level voting Dem this election.    Keep searching!    

The ones you mention are has been rino.  They are liberal and are not living off the gov't teet since they are outcasts of the Rep party.

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7 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

He is definitely a fascist, but nobody uses the term anywhere near as freely as socialist gets used.

By what definition is Trump a fascist?

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29 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

What policies does Reagan and Thump differ?  

 

Reagan was the antithesis of nationalism/protectionism.  His and Trump's foreign policy ethos couldn't be more different.  Reagan was all about free trade.  I can't envision Reagan gassing peaceful protesters.     Reagan actually granted amnesty for all Illegal immigrants who entered the country before 1982.  

 

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15 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

He is definitely a fascist, but nobody uses the term anywhere near as freely as socialist gets used.

I'm thinking you don't know what a fascist is.

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A cult member has to not listen to or speak with anyone outside the group lest they be exposed to non-cult beliefs. 

I'd say folk here having dialog with you Hayduke utterly refutes your "cult" accusation.  

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2 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Umberto Eco's definitive 14 features of fascism. If you're not familiar, it's regarded highly by intellectuals of all political persuasions.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism

 

I'll admit to not being an expert of any kind of how to put people into political categories, but from everything I can read on Fascism, he simply doesn't fit the bill.

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11 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Reagan was the antithesis of nationalism/protectionism.  His and Trump's foreign policy ethos couldn't be more different.  Reagan was all about free trade.  I can't envision Reagan gassing peaceful protesters.     Reagan actually granted amnesty for all Illegal immigrants who entered the country before 1982.  

 

I disagree - I was actually around when Reagan was President and he was America first and his foreign policy not much different.  EU didn't like him either and Thump is all for free trade.  You can't say we had that the last 20 years and Mr. Thump has the balls to do something about it.   Both Reagan and Thump were for controlled borders.  

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4 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

I disagree - I was actually around when Reagan was President and he was America first and his foreign policy not much different.  EU didn't like him either and Thump is all for free trade.  You can't say we had that the last 20 years and Mr. Thump has the balls to do something about it.   Both Reagan and Thump were for controlled borders.  

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6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism

 

I'll admit to not being an expert of any kind of how to put people into political categories, but from everything I can read on Fascism, he simply doesn't fit the bill.

Would be interesting to see this article revisited. Campaign promises and actions aren't the same thing. Still waiting on that infrastructure they cite to say he isn't truly fascist.

I'm probably a bit trigger happy on the term (opposite of the experts in that article) but it's what I see in history repeating itself. Fighting fascism head-on, then focusing attention to the communists.

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12 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

I disagree - I was actually around when Reagan was President and he was America first and his foreign policy not much different.  EU didn't like him either and Thump is all for free trade.  You can't say we had that the last 20 years and Mr. Thump has the balls to do something about it.   Both Reagan and Thump were for controlled borders.  

 

As I pointed out before, Trump has no intention of realistically controlling the border.

You people are being played.    

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6 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Would be interesting to see this article revisited. Campaign promises and actions aren't the same thing. Still waiting on that infrastructure they cite to say he isn't truly fascist.

I'm probably a bit trigger happy on the term (opposite of the experts in that article) but it's what I see in history repeating itself. Fighting fascism head-on, then focusing attention to the communists.

 

-Taking sides with a foreign power against domestic apposition.   check 
-Detention of journalists  check
-Loss of press access to the White House   check
-Use of government power to target opposition for retribution.  check
-Rhetoric that incites violence against political opposition.  check

We're getting there.   

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