2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[CarpeRemote]

On 8/13/2020 at 3:16 PM, jdub27 said:

On 8/13/2020 at 12:57 AM, CarpeRemote said:

Both 401s and IRAs are deferred, but in 2019 congress passed legislation to collect significantly more taxes from your inherited IRA by eliminating the stretch-rule.

So this is something that Trump signed into law and was approved by a Republican led house then correct? 

Crazy how both sides come off as a dumpster fire.

Yes.
To be fair, iirc it was attached to the emergency  budget bill the house sent to the senate to keep the government funded through December . The senate refused to pass the original Secure Act as written but when it was attached to the emergency budget it passed and was signed. 
 

To your point, the original opposition wasn’t to these specific aspects, but rather to the Senate asking for 529 money to be applicable to home schooling, which the house opposed, supposedly under pressure from the teacher lobby. 

[Ranger]

3 hours ago, Goon said:

You bring up a good point. I thought it would be interesting see how COVID-19 compares to other causes of death. 

From the CDC -- Drug Overdose Deaths

 

From the CDC -- Heart disease

• From the CDC -- Deaths from Diabetis

   

Whew... good thing drug overdoses, heat disease, and diabetes aren’t contagious!

[Hayduke1]

2 hours ago, MrEdway said:

you can grab them by the titties!!!

Well, either you are stupid enough to believe this photo is real.  Or, the cult is desperate. 

Maybe a little of both?

 

[Bison06]

58 minutes ago, Ranger said:

Whew... good thing drug overdoses, heat disease, and diabetes aren’t contagious!

So the most important things to address are diseases that are contagious, not the ones that kill us at the highest rates?

It’s ironic that our lack of giving a sh*t about our health in this country and our obsession with quick “fix“ pharmaceuticals has made us much more susceptible to covid-19 than other countries who are much healthier.

[Goon]

1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

Well, either you are stupid enough to believe this photo is real.  Or, the cult is desperate. 

Maybe a little of both?

 

You can't be serious? Biden has a history of groping women and sniffing them. 

 

[Hayduke1]

1 hour ago, Goon said:

You can't be serious? Biden has a history of groping women and sniffing them. 

 

 That was a doctored photo, genius.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/nyregion/jean-caroll-donald-trump-lawsuit-rape.html

Yeah, Mr. False equivalency.  That is just one example.

Biden is too touchy feely. No doubt.

Trump has a history of current and past rape allegations, payments to porn stars for sex out of wedlock, along with misogynist recordings that aren't part of any locker room talk that should ever exist.

Save the BS for the cult.  This just exposes your hypocrisy.  No doubt you should not be in a position of authority and trust, because you don't know the difference. 

[Goon]

This was on twitter today. 
 

 

[Goon]

16 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

 That was a doctored photo, genius.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/nyregion/jean-caroll-donald-trump-lawsuit-rape.html

Yeah, Mr. False equivalency.  That is just one example.

Biden is too touchy feely. No doubt.

Trump has a history of current and past rape allegations, payments to porn stars for sex out of wedlock, along with misogynist recordings that aren't part of any locker room talk that should ever exist.

Save the BS for the cult.  This just exposes your hypocrisy.  No doubt you should not be in a position of authority and trust, because you don't know the difference. 

You have some serious issues. Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump. If there was it would’ve been reported. Biden isn’t squeaky clean, either. Also, Obama said this about his former VP. 
 

 

[Hayduke1]

11 minutes ago, Goon said:

Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump. If there was it would’ve been reported.

That's lame, even for you.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410

Trump is pathological. 

A perfect leader for a cult.

Good thing you aren't a journalist.  You have no credibility.

ROTFLMFAO

[Goon]

40 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

That's lame, even for you.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410

Trump is pathological. 

A perfect leader for a cult.

Good thing you aren't a journalist.  You have no credibility.

ROTFLMFAO

Again, you also have trouble reading. I said this; "Since taking office", there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump. Both men have had allegations against them. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-accusation

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/02/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegations-democrats-response

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In 2019, Reade and seven other women publicly accused Biden of gestures that made them uncomfortable, included unwanted touching or kissing. Reade first made the allegation of assault in a podcast episode in March.

[Goon]

I think this about sums it up. Good night everyone. 

[NDinCO]

6 minutes ago, Goon said:

You have some serious issues. Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump. If there was it would’ve been reported. Biden isn’t squeaky clean, either. Also, Obama said this about his former VP. 
 

 

Well isn't that special. 'Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump.'  How nice. Let's just forget about him bragging about grabbing women by the pu$$y. Or the, what is is, 20+ sexual misconduct allegations. He threatened of course to sue the accusers. How many has he proceeded against? Correct! ZERO!

Are you married? Do you have daughters? Have you had that conversation with them yet about how you support somebody that brags about grabbing women's pu$$y? I guess it's okay as long as the pu$$y isn't a family member. Or have you explained to them how your going to vote again for someone who f*ucks porn stars while his wife is home with their newborn?

THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. People like you ENABLING a morally bankrupt, disgusting CON MAN. If you think he is anything else, you are either an idiot or you are willing to look the other way. So which one is it? I can be an idiot sometimes, but I will never look the other way. Looking the other way is how democracies die. And that is not hyperbole.

My god, why, why, why support someone like Trump? Vote him out, and republicans can regroup and offer decent human beings as candidates, and I will listen.

For what it's worth.... the below text was taken from Wikipedia (geez, I don't know, is that a fake news site???? Maybe I should visit QAnon, or Tucker, or Hannity)

Donald Trump, current president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. The accusations have resulted in three much reported instances of litigation: his then-wife Ivana made a rape claim during their 1989 divorce litigation but later recanted that claim businesswoman Jill Harth sued Trump in 1997 alleging breach of contract while also suing for nonviolent sexual harassment but withdrew the latter suit as part of a settlement for relating to the former suit; and, in 2017, former The Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit after Trump called her a liar.

Of course the article is much longer if you have the time. That is just the opening paragraph. 

OK, I have to go. I need to see if my mail that I have been waiting for has arrived yet. Oh crap, I forgot, Trump is f*cking with the mail to increase his election chances. But that's okay, right?

 

[Ranger]

3 hours ago, Bison06 said:

So the most important things to address are diseases that are contagious, not the ones that kill us at the highest rates.

During a pandemic, yes.

 

[Redneksioux]

10 hours ago, Bison06 said:

So the most important things to address are diseases that are contagious, not the ones that kill us at the highest rates?

It’s ironic that our lack of giving a sh*t about our health in this country and our obsession with quick “fix“ pharmaceuticals has made us much more susceptible to covid-19 than other countries who are much healthier.

You realize that covid is now our third leading leading cause of death right? Unlike heart disease and cancer it is contagious. We could do nothing and see if it can bypass those two.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

24 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

You realize that covid is now our third leading leading cause of death right? Unlike heart disease and cancer it is contagious. We could do nothing and see if it can bypass those two.

The funny thing about comparing COVID to other causes is that it is literally a convenient label for tens (hundreds?) of thousands of deaths that were going to occur anyway. Patients in their 80s. 90s. Underlying conditions. Motorcycle accidents. How many "COVID victims" were likely to see their next birthday? How many were rotting away in LTC? How many had visits in the past 12 months from loved ones? How many were (mentally and spiritually) ready to die?

If you want to "rank" these things and be credible, I think you'd better be prepared to present some reasonably comprehensive data that shows each cause historically, and currently, and relative to one another. If you have a link, please share. A nice bar chart should do. And then, maybe, those of us who remain skeptical might actually listen.

Because until I see that kind of information, I'm going to continue to worry far more about heart disease and cancer than COVID. And motorcycles.

Until then, please remember...NOT EVERY DEATH IS TRAGIC. OR EVEN SAD. AND EVENTUALLY WE ALL DIE. The real tragedy here is if some of us stop living.

[Bison06]

7 hours ago, Ranger said:

During a pandemic, yes.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

You realize that covid is now our third leading leading cause of death right? Unlike heart disease and cancer it is contagious. We could do nothing and see if it can bypass those two.

My point is to say, six months ago you didn’t care about your neighbors health. If we had cared enough to take care of ourselves previous to the pandemic, we would be fairing much than we are. Healthy people are far less susceptible and we are incredibly unhealthy as a country.

[Redneksioux]

18 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

The funny thing about comparing COVID to other causes is that it is literally a convenient label for tens (hundreds?) of thousands of deaths that were going to occur anyway. Patients in their 80s. 90s. Underlying conditions. Motorcycle accidents. How many "COVID victims" were likely to see their next birthday? How many were rotting away in LTC? How many had visits in the past 12 months from loved ones? How many were (mentally and spiritually) ready to die?

If you want to "rank" these things and be credible, I think you'd better be prepared to present some reasonably comprehensive data that shows each cause historically, and currently, and relative to one another. If you have a link, please share. A nice bar chart should do. And then, maybe, those of us who remain skeptical might actually listen.

Because until I see that kind of information, I'm going to continue to worry far more about heart disease and cancer than COVID. And motorcycles.

Until then, please remember...NOT EVERY DEATH IS TRAGIC. OR EVEN SAD. AND EVENTUALLY WE ALL DIE. The real tragedy here is if some of us stop living.

Could the same not be said about heart disease and cancer?

[Redneksioux]

6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

 

My point is to say, six months ago you didn’t care about your neighbors health. If we had cared enough to take care of ourselves previous to the pandemic, we would be fairing much than we are. Healthy people are far less susceptible and we are incredibly unhealthy as a country.

Of course we cared about our neighbor’s health 6 months ago. The difference is being obese or having diabetes then wasn’t considered a death sentence. 

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

Of course we cared about our neighbor’s health 6 months ago. The difference is being obese or having diabetes then wasn’t considered a death sentence. 

I can’t agree with anything you’ve said here in my experience. Being obese is a death sentence, diabetes is a death sentence. Covid for nearly every person who gets it is a two week inconvenience, if that.

[Redneksioux]

6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I can’t agree with anything you’ve said here in my experience. Being obese is a death sentence, diabetes is a death sentence. Covid for nearly every person who gets it is a two week inconvenience, if that.

Except for the 160,000 plus Americans so far who have died. It’s well known by now that most live, what we don’t know is with what long term side effects, so by brushing it off as a two week inconvenience for most isn’t very fair. 
 

 

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

Except for the 160,000 plus Americans so far who have died. It’s well known by now that most live, what we don’t know is with what long term side effects, so by brushing it off as a two week inconvenience for most isn’t very fair. 
 

 

Long term effects will be no different than the long term effects of other viruses.

It’s easy to produce fear by saying “we just don’t know” that’s true. But we also have no reason to think it’ll be different than other coronaviruses in this respect. 
 

We’ve discussed this a lot the last two weeks, so you know my stance on the total death count. 

[Redneksioux]

38 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Long term effects will be no different than the long term effects of other viruses.

It’s easy to produce fear by saying “we just don’t know” that’s true. But we also have no reason to think it’ll be different than other coronaviruses in this respect. 
 

We’ve discussed this a lot the last two weeks, so you know my stance on the total death count. 

Based on the few months of data that we have we do have reason to believe the long term effects will be different from last coronaviruses. Less scarring on the lungs than the first SARS and MERS but heart and neurological problems look like they will be worse. What this means a year from now or years down the road we don’t know but around the world covid survivorship clinics are popping up and are seeing backlogs of patients. 
 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

 

To write this off as a two week inconvenience for nearly every person who catches it is not fair. I certainly would prefer to avoid catching the virus myself. 

[Hayduke1]

9 hours ago, NDinCO said:

Well isn't that special. 'Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump.'  How nice. Let's just forget about him bragging about grabbing women by the pu$$y. Or the, what is is, 20+ sexual misconduct allegations. He threatened of course to sue the accusers. How many has he proceeded against? Correct! ZERO!

Are you married? Do you have daughters? Have you had that conversation with them yet about how you support somebody that brags about grabbing women's pu$$y? I guess it's okay as long as the pu$$y isn't a family member. Or have you explained to them how your going to vote again for someone who f*ucks porn stars while his wife is home with their newborn?

THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. People like you ENABLING a morally bankrupt, disgusting CON MAN. If you think he is anything else, you are either an idiot or you are willing to look the other way. So which one is it? I can be an idiot sometimes, but I will never look the other way. Looking the other way is how democracies die. And that is not hyperbole.

My god, why, why, why support someone like Trump? Vote him out, and republicans can regroup and offer decent human beings as candidates, and I will listen.

For what it's worth.... the below text was taken from Wikipedia (geez, I don't know, is that a fake news site???? Maybe I should visit QAnon, or Tucker, or Hannity)

Donald Trump, current president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. The accusations have resulted in three much reported instances of litigation: his then-wife Ivana made a rape claim during their 1989 divorce litigation but later recanted that claim businesswoman Jill Harth sued Trump in 1997 alleging breach of contract while also suing for nonviolent sexual harassment but withdrew the latter suit as part of a settlement for relating to the former suit; and, in 2017, former The Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit after Trump called her a liar.

Of course the article is much longer if you have the time. That is just the opening paragraph. 

OK, I have to go. I need to see if my mail that I have been waiting for has arrived yet. Oh crap, I forgot, Trump is f*cking with the mail to increase his election chances. But that's okay, right?

 

Amazing, isn't it. 

He is as morally bankrupt as Trump. 

Another unstable non-genius.   I'm just grateful people like him are removed from positions of authority and trust.  

Just like Trump will be...

https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/08/trumps-brother-and-best-friend-died-today-trump-spent-the-day-golfing-with-a-retired-football-player/

 

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Based on the few months of data that we have we do have reason to believe the long term effects will be different from last coronaviruses. Less scarring on the lungs than the first SARS and MERS but heart and neurological problems look like they will be worse. What this means a year from now or years down the road we don’t know but around the world covid survivorship clinics are popping up and are seeing backlogs of patients. 
 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

 

To write this off as a two week inconvenience for nearly every person who catches it is not fair. I certainly would prefer to avoid catching the virus myself. 

I said covid long term effects will be no worse than other viruses, I didn’t say they wouldn’t exist. Influenza can have nasty long term effects as well, but we don’t shut down the world for it.

We would all prefer not to catch covid or any other viruses, but the risk/reward of protecting yourself from the worlds negative things leads to a pretty meager existence. Let’s all take the precautions that make sense for each of our unique situations and move on. It’s the only way we move forward because cases aren’t going to get to zero. Ever.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

10 hours ago, Goon said:

Since taking office, there hasn’t been one allegation of inappropriate behavior by Trump.

Put this in a museum. The perfect post. Truly captures the mentality of Trump Trash. Willing to flex in any direction to find a way to defend him.