2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Bison06]

9 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

As a Portland resident, I can tell you that most crime is perpetrated by transient addicts (usually Vets, former high school football players, or other roles at high risk for injuries that result in a painkiller prescription) whose drug use elsewhere resulted in the local law enforcement taking the lazy route and putting them on a bus to Portland rather than rehabilitate them in their community. Because Portland doesn't ship them off when they run afoul of police here, they are here to stay until a friend or family member says it's okay to send the person to stay with them. There are some losers and scumbags among the locals, but most junkies and criminals are non-natives.

As a healthy white male over 6 feet with a confident stride, I'm not afraid of anything happening to me anywhere in the city. Couldn't say the same thing in many post-industrial rust belt cities in this country, or in most of the countries I've visited. I wouldn't leave my bike unlocked or valuables visible in my car, but when I've done those things accidentally nothing happened.

The Antifa crowd is really just anarchists that are too stupid to realize they allowed their enemies to label them and use their actions for fear mongering. Tons of white trash come from just over the river in Vancouver WA to provoke them, and they fall for it every time.

The narrative that Portland is a shithole is bogus. There are some tent cities and parts of downtown that are trashed, but it's better to localize it and tolerate it (a la Hamsterdam) than try to fight it everywhere.  Only a few parts are affected.

I'm going into my office downtown this week for the first time in a while after spending the quarantine at my beach house, I'll share pictures of what it looks like since my building is in the thick of it. From what I've seen and heard it's a few storefronts and parks that got destroyed, but not nearly as widespread as portrayed.

TLDR: Portland crime isn't Antifa, it's junkies from out of town that end up here. Don't let fascist propagandists tell you otherwise

I’m sure everything you’re saying is true. I live in Minneapolis and the chaos and burning buildings were relatively isolated to a particular area, so it’s easy to write off the violence as a small problem. However, the policies that allowed it to take place are problematic in my opinion and I think Portland may be able to be described similarly to Minneapolis in that respect.

[Hayduke1]

2 hours ago, TheFlop said:

So she's in on the Russian money too?

She donated that money to charity. 

I think it went to an organization that gives mental health counseling to right wing conspiracy nut jobs.  You know -  cultists.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

I’m sure everything you’re saying is true. I live in Minneapolis and the chaos and burning buildings were relatively isolated to a particular area, so it’s easy to write off the violence as a small problem. However, the policies that allowed it to take place are problematic in my opinion and I think Portland may be able to be described similarly to Minneapolis in that respect.

Having grown up in Minneapolis, I was far more shocked by what happened there. Lake and Hiawatha was my light rail stop at one point. Spent a few hours surfing that weekend and came back to find 200+ messages from group chats with friends back home. Portland is desensitized to it after all the white trash rallies to rile up Antifa over the last few years, which took place exactly where !@#$ is going down right now. 

Minneapolis doesn't have to worry about junkies setting up shop since the weather is miserable for so much of the year.  As for policies, you're being vague so I'm not sure to what you refer. Allowing protesters to assemble? Not shipping the homeless away for others to deal with? Allowing Somalians to form a resettlement community?

[MrEdway]

1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

She donated that money to charity. 

I think it went to an organization that gives mental health counseling to right wing conspiracy nut jobs.  You know -  cultists.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Another day of blathering from the triggered Soyboy. Must suck to be you.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

8 hours ago, bison73 said:

So junkies from out of town carry angle grinders , tools , leaf blowers and full protective gear? Yeah sure I believe you.

I was responding to a post about crime in Portland. Also, LOL at you being afraid of anarchists with a leaf blower.

[Goon]

Don't plan on going to Canada anytime soon. 

 

[Goon]

 

Pandemic Analyst Finds Herd Immunity Could be Slowing COVID Spread – yet Dr. Fauci Still Warns Against It.

 

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There are over 5 million confirmed cases of coronavirus in the United States, according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center. The actual number could be much higher when including Americans who have not been diagnosed or who were asymptomatic. Dr. Deborah Birx, the Coronavirus Response Coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said the medical community might have underestimated the number of asymptomatic cases of COVID-19.

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, is not in favor of achieving herd immunity by allowing the coronavirus to spread throughout the country unchecked.

"If everyone contracted it, even with the relatively high percentage of people without symptoms...a lot of people are going to die," Fauci said during an Instagram interview with actor Matthew McConaughey on Thursday.

"If you look at the United States of America with our epidemic of obesity as it were, with the number of people with hypertension, with the number of people with diabetes, if everyone got infected, the death toll would be enormous and totally unacceptable," Fauci said.

"And that's the reason why we are against saying: 'Let it fly. Let everyone get infected and we'll be fine.' That's a bad idea," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said.

 

 

 

 

 

[Goon]

More from Fauci.

Fauci believes normalcy will return by "the end of 2021" with Coronavirus vaccine

 

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Anthony Fauci told PBS NewsHour on Thursday that he expects the U.S. could "be as good [as] back to normal as we possibly can" by the end of 2021 if a coronavirus vaccine becomes widely available.

The big picture: Fauci made clear that this would not mean the virus is eradicated, saying, "We can get it under good enough control that it is so low that it doesn't interfere with the kind of normal life that we want to get the economy back, to get employment back."

 

 

[Bison06]

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Having grown up in Minneapolis, I was far more shocked by what happened there. Lake and Hiawatha was my light rail stop at one point. Spent a few hours surfing that weekend and came back to find 200+ messages from group chats with friends back home. Portland is desensitized to it after all the white trash rallies to rile up Antifa over the last few years, which took place exactly where !@#$ is going down right now. 

Minneapolis doesn't have to worry about junkies setting up shop since the weather is miserable for so much of the year.  As for policies, you're being vague so I'm not sure to what you refer. Allowing protesters to assemble? Not shipping the homeless away for others to deal with? Allowing Somalians to form a resettlement community?

By policies I’m just referring to allowing the violence to escalate.

[90siouxfan]

22 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

If this country needed an enema, look no further than Southern red states who are by and large (and historically) the poorest, most backwards and crime ridden places in the nation.      

9 of the top 10 poorest states are staunchly Conservative; yet these mental midgets are screaming "We hate socialism!” while simultaneously having no objections to sucking on the nipple of the federal government for economic survival.  The South is one giant welfare case, always has been going back to the end of the civil war.   I mean, KY, MS, and LA rely on the feds for more than 40 percent of their revenue. lol    The ignorance and/or hypocrisy is astounding.                

Perhaps we should build a wall around Cletus, Jasper and Cooter instead of Mexico.  Let these states have fun with their evangelicalism, confederate flags, 3rd world economies and trump worship.  The rest of this great country can proceed with modernity without them dragging us back 100 years.                  

  

Is this your personal observation of all members of large portion of the country?  or are you blabbering about stereotypes presented by people with an agenda?  

[Goon]

26 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

By policies I’m just referring to allowing the violence to escalate.

Then pretending it's a myth. That's what I take issue with. 

 

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

By policies I’m just referring to allowing the violence to escalate.

While I agree, it's not like you can suppress rallies decrying police brutality and violence with exactly what they are (supposedly) protesting.

[Bison06]

7 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

While I agree, it's not like you can suppress rallies decrying police brutality and violence with exactly what they are (supposedly) protesting.

I agree, it’s important to allow protests and rallies. This topic is tricky for the reasons you stated. Protesting police brutality with violence and destruction of public and private property is going to be a self fulfilling prophesy. The police have a duty to take action in those circumstances and methinks that is the point for the instigators within the protests.

“Good people” within the group of protestors have a duty to denounce and take action against those within their groups that break rank. 
 

Violence to protest against violence will never accomplish what they hope. 

[Hayduke1]

1 hour ago, Goon said:

Then pretending it's a myth. That's what I take issue with. 

 

 

Well, there you go again.  This time propping up the Press Secretary of a man who has been known to lie 20,000 times in his 3 1/2 years on the White House. 

A press secretary who is forced to repeat the lies to keep her job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/23/kayleigh-mcenany-watch-youve-got-be-kidding-me/

The question here is...why do you? 

Are you gullible?  Willingly ignorant? Or just so arrogant that you choose to repeat them rather than admit you are wrong?  Maybe trying to save face?

Either one doesn't matter, it's just pretty pathetic.

Now, continue with the antifa rants. 

Or.. read about what antifa is and why while it isn't good, they are being used by right wing nit jobs both onside and outside the White House to stoke fear.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-trump-gets-wrong-about-antifa/537048/

[The Sicatoka]

5 million confirmed cases. 

328 million Americans.

1.5% of the population confirmed to have it. 

168,000 US deaths.<-- 3.36% of confirmed cases (so far)

168,000 US deaths <-- 0.051% of US population

 

512 deaths per 1 million US population*, and for your comparisons https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

*51 deaths per 100,000 to compare to CDC numbers as use per 100k.

 

Here's a good one from CDC: 

Infant Mortality rate: 5.79 deaths per 1,000 live births <-- that's 579 deaths per 100,000 live births! Being born alive (579) is 10x more dangerous than Covid-19 (51) per 100k. 

 

 

[Goon]

9 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Well, there you go again.  This time propping up the Press Secretary of a man who has been known to lie 20,000 times in his 3 1/2 years on the White House. 

A press secretary who is forced to repeat the lies to keep her job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/23/kayleigh-mcenany-watch-youve-got-be-kidding-me/

The question here is...why do you? 

Are you gullible?  Willingly ignorant? Or just so arrogant that you choose to repeat them rather than admit you are wrong?  Maybe trying to save face?

Either one doesn't matter, it's just pretty pathetic.

 

Now, continue with the antifa rants. 

 

Boo!

 

Lol

You just proved our point. What are you, Jerry Nadler's alter ego?

[Hayduke1]

1 minute ago, Goon said:

You just proved our point. What are you, Jerry Nadler's alter ego?

Arrogant it is then.

[Goon]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

5 million confirmed cases. 

328 million Americans.

1.5% of the population confirmed to have it. 

168,000 US deaths.<-- 3.36% of confirmed cases (so far)

168,000 US deaths <-- 0.051% of US population

 

512 deaths per 1 million US population*, and for your comparisons https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

*51 deaths per 100,000 to compare to CDC numbers as use per 100k.

 

Here's a good one from CDC: 

Infant Mortality rate: 5.79 deaths per 1,000 live births <-- that's 579 deaths per 100,000 live births! Being born alive (579) is 10x more dangerous than Covid-19 (51) per 100k. 

 

You bring up a good point. I thought it would be interesting see how COVID-19 compares to other causes of death. 

From the CDC -- Drug Overdose Deaths

 

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In 2018, 67,367 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. The age-adjusted rate of overdose deaths decreased by 4.6% from 2017 (21.7 per 100,000) to 2018 (20.7 per 100,000). Opioids—mainly synthetic opioids (other than methadone)—are currently the main driver of drug overdose deaths. Opioids were involved in 46,802 overdose deaths in 2018 (69.5% of all drug overdose deaths).¹ Two out of three (67.0%) opioid-involved overdose deaths involve synthetic opioids.²

From the CDC -- Heart disease

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  • Number of deaths: 647,457
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 198.8
  • Cause of death rank: 1

   

  From the CDC -- Deaths from Diabetis

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  • Number of deaths: 83,564
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 25.7
  • Cause of death rank: 7

   

   

[Goon]

9 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Arrogant it is then.

So that is your long lost alter ego?  

[Hayduke1]

11 minutes ago, Goon said:

So that is your long lost alter ego?  

Is this yours?

 

[Goon]

18 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Is this yours?

 

No genius, that's not my photo. That's fired MPD officer Derek Chauvin. If you're suggesting I am him, you're a bigger P.OS. than we thought you were. Most normal people, including me, are disgusted with this guy's actions. Typical, when you're not winning a argument you resort to calling people racists and stupid.  

[Hayduke1]

10 minutes ago, Goon said:

No genius, that's not my photo. That's fired MPD officer Derek Chauvin. If you're suggesting I am him, you're a bigger P.OS. than we thought you were. Most normal people, including me, are disgusted with this guy's actions. Typical, when you're not winning a argument you resort to calling people racists and stupid.  

Goodness.

Such a temper.  

You shouldn't be in a position of trust and authority.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Goon]

15 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Goodness.

Such a temper.  

You shouldn't be in a position of trust and authority.

Thanks for proving my point.

Yeah. Sure whatever. 

[Hayduke1]

13 minutes ago, Goon said:

Yeah. Sure whatever. 

 

I see.

You slipped into willful ignorance.   

Maybe this is like the stages needed to accept death.   Willful ignorance must be the first stage.  Some kind of false sense of "victory".

Or, maybe you are in a stage of "projection".  Kind of like Trump.

I guess we will follow these stages and find out. 

Remember, not everyone achieves the final stage of acceptance.  

[MrEdway]

12 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

I see.

You slipped into willful ignorance.   

Maybe this is like the stages needed to accept death.   Willful ignorance must be the first stage.  Some kind of false sense of "victory".

Or, maybe you are in a stage of "projection".  Kind of like Trump.

I guess we will follow these stages and find out. 

Remember, not everyone achieves the final stage of acceptance.  

you can grab them by the titties!!!