jdub27 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Even if numbers don't call down they should be allowed to stay in school. They aren't vulnerable to this. The kids: No, the vast majority aren't. But they can spread it. However a significant portion of the teachers and adminstration are. And even if they aren't, they can spread it as well. That's the cost/benefit the school board has to weigh and I don't envy their situation especially since it is clear that there is a community spread issue going on across the state (and that is using the positivity rate, not the number of positive tests). I'm glad they are weighing both sides and looking at local info before making their decisions. My hope is they only pull the plug if determined it is absolutely necessary due to spread being directly linked to the schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The kids: No, the vast majority aren't. But they can spread it. However a significant portion of the teachers and adminstration are. And even if they aren't, they can spread it as well. That's the cost/benefit the school board has to weigh and I don't envy their situation especially since it is clear that there is a community spread issue going on across the state (and that is using the positivity rate, not the number of positive tests). I'm glad they are weighing both sides and looking at local info before making their decisions. My hope is they only pull the plug if determined it is absolutely necessary due to spread being directly linked to the schools. Yesterday on a day that ND set a record for "positive" cases of over 1000 around 0.5% of those cases were elementary aged children. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bison06 Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The kids: No, the vast majority aren't. But they can spread it. However a significant portion of the teachers and adminstration are. And even if they aren't, they can spread it as well. That's the cost/benefit the school board has to weigh and I don't envy their situation especially since it is clear that there is a community spread issue going on across the state (and that is using the positivity rate, not the number of positive tests). I'm glad they are weighing both sides and looking at local info before making their decisions. My hope is they only pull the plug if determined it is absolutely necessary due to spread being directly linked to the schools. Using your line of logic here, when will this ever not be the case? Covid is endemic, every expert agrees for the most part. Vaccines aren't foolproof and this one will be no exception, in fact it is likely to not be nearly as effective as influenza given the lack of research and rushing it to market. So when in your scenario of kids being superspreaders will life be back to normal? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The kids: No, the vast majority aren't. But they can spread it. However a significant portion of the teachers and adminstration are. And even if they aren't, they can spread it as well. That's the cost/benefit the school board has to weigh and I don't envy their situation especially since it is clear that there is a community spread issue going on across the state (and that is using the positivity rate, not the number of positive tests). I'm glad they are weighing both sides and looking at local info before making their decisions. My hope is they only pull the plug if determined it is absolutely necessary due to spread being directly linked to the schools. Who on earth goes into a career in education with a desire (or expectation) not to be exposed to a multitude of infectious diseases? Serious question. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Who on earth goes into a career in education with a desire (or expectation) not to be exposed to a multitude of infectious diseases? Serious question. It's maddening to have conversations with people and they explain things about Covid as if it's the first time we've ever dealt with a respiratory disease in this country. "But it spreads if you don't wear a mask" Yep viruses tend to do that "But it spreads if you are around someone who has it, even if they don't know they have it" Yep viruses tend to do that "But there are long term effects" Yep viruses tend to do that The list goes on and on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bison06 said: could you repost that please, I don't remember seeing it. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview Does anybody else notice that the midwest states just happen to be getting hammered all at the same time? Iowa isn't even testing very much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, UND1983 said: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview Does anybody else notice that the midwest states just happen to be getting hammered all at the same time? Iowa isn't even testing very much. Like I said, the Midwest locked down in spring and the Northeast (NY, NJ) burned. Well, virus gonna virus, and it's our turn to burn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 At 9.4 tests per 1,000, second highest in the nation, why is North Dakota currently testing so much? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Using your line of logic here, when will this ever not be the case? Covid is endemic, every expert agrees for the most part. Vaccines aren't foolproof and this one will be no exception, in fact it is likely to not be nearly as effective as influenza given the lack of research and rushing it to market. So when in your scenario of kids being superspreaders will life be back to normal? thats when i ask people" what is the end game?" no on has an answer. AND THATS THE PROBLEM! There has to be an end game. but once you assign a dollar amount to a disease, it looses all validity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: At 9.4 tests per 1,000, second highest in the nation, why is North Dakota currently testing so much? A cynic would ask ... "Who's making the money on the testing?" 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Like I said, the Midwest locked down in spring and the Northeast (NY, NJ) burned. Well, virus gonna virus, and it's our turn to burn. I think I said something like that to my wife the other day: it looks like our turn as come on COVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bison06 said: At 9.4 tests per 1,000, second highest in the nation, why is North Dakota currently testing so much? Gee. People feeling symptoms go up, so they get tested. Then, higher number of tests. Many with those symptoms, it turns out, are positive. Hmmmm. Shocking.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Gee. People feeling symptoms go up, so they get tested. Then, higher number of tests. Many with those symptoms, it turns out, are positive. Hmmmm. Shocking.... Problem is, nobody breaks down the testing data, so nobody knows exactly who is getting tested and why. Lots of asymptomatic close contacts, nervous people, and healthcare workers are among those being swabbed. At the end of the day, reporting positive cases is both a cop-out (because it's ostensibly an easy way to convince one's self - or one's state - that one is doing something) and a red herring. Scientifically useless. And little more than fodder for hand wringers and fear mongerers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Problem is, nobody breaks down the testing data, so nobody knows exactly who is getting tested and why. Lots of asymptomatic close contacts, nervous people, and healthcare workers are among those being swabbed. At the end of the day, reporting positive cases is both a cop-out (because it's ostensibly an easy way to convince one's self - or one's state - that one is doing something) and a red herring. Scientifically useless. And little more than fodder for hand wringers and fear mongerers. And fodder for nut job cultists to deny the danger of Covid-19. This circle jerk of Trumptards is far more dangerous than following the recommendations of the CDC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said: And fodder for nut job cultists to deny the danger of Covid-19. This circle jerk of Trumptards is far more dangerous than following the recommendations of the CDC. No one is preventing YOU from following the recommendations of the CDC. And no one is preventing YOU from according Covid-19 whatever degree of concern YOU deem appropriate. If asking YOU to leave ME out of your decision-making makes ME a "cultist," "circle jerker," or "Trumptard," so be it. Sure beats the hell out of letting you impose whatever it is that you seek to impose on me. (See how I did that without using any derogatory labels or name-calling? It's easy...you should give it a try.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 ND positives today are half of what yesterday's record number was. Must be due to the mask mandates issued in Fargo and Minot on Monday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Who on earth goes into a career in education with a desire (or expectation) not to be exposed to a multitude of infectious diseases? Serious question. I mean, it is no different than a common cold right? Expecting others to have zero concern for their own health (or their families) during a global pandemic is an interseting stance to take. And that is ignoring almost all teachers I know having a full desire to be in the classroom with their kids. It is almost like a cavalier attitude like this has played into how the US's response has went. 48 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Using your line of logic here, when will this ever not be the case? Covid is endemic, every expert agrees for the most part. Vaccines aren't foolproof and this one will be no exception, in fact it is likely to not be nearly as effective as influenza given the lack of research and rushing it to market. So when in your scenario of kids being superspreaders will life be back to normal? I don't disagree with any of that. However, my assumption is that when positivity rates and community spread are down significantly, restrctions would change. Regardless of one's opinions on what should be done, I think it is a fair statement to say that overall, North Dakota currently has a community spread issue that needs to be figured out. But again, I'm fully supporting doing whatever it takes to keep kids in school. 51 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Yesterday on a day that ND set a record for "positive" cases of over 1000 around 0.5% of those cases were elementary aged children. What percentage of those tested were elementary aged kids? Honest question as I'm not sure. I'm guessing most parents aren't testing their kids, especially if symptoms are non-existent or very minor. 21 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Problem is, nobody breaks down the testing data, so nobody knows exactly who is getting tested and why. Lots of asymptomatic close contacts, nervous people, and healthcare workers are among those being swabbed. At the end of the day, reporting positive cases is both a cop-out (because it's ostensibly an easy way to convince one's self - or one's state - that one is doing something) and a red herring. Scientifically useless. And little more than fodder for hand wringers and fear mongerers. So if all these "nervous" people are driving up testing numbers, wouldn't that drive down the positivity rate? Yet ND is in the top 15 in positivity rate. If they had more restrctions on who could be tested like other states currently have, ND would probably be in the top 5 of positivity rates with numbers similar to South Dakota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On the mask mandate......UND mandates a mask for anyone inside its Wellness Center starting tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Gee. People feeling symptoms go up, so they get tested. Then, higher number of tests. Many with those symptoms, it turns out, are positive. Hmmmm. Shocking.... Again I ask ... Getting tested and found positive does exactly what for you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said: Again I ask ... Getting tested and found positive does exactly what for you? It can get you out of quarantine 7-10 days quicker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: ND positives today are half of what yesterday's record number was. Must be due to the mask mandates issued in Fargo and Minot on Monday night? Dare I say the "daily data" is not normalized, so it's easy to hold back results for a few days and ... WHAMO! ... really big number reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Gee. People feeling symptoms go up, so they get tested. Then, higher number of tests. Many with those symptoms, it turns out, are positive. Hmmmm. Shocking.... The fact that you think it's people getting tested because they are feeling sick shows how ignorant you are on this topic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Word of the Day: Pandemic - (adj) (a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world; or, (noun) an outbreak of a pandemic disease. Please note that word, pandemic, refers solely to the scope, and not the severity, of said disease. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, jdub27 said: It can get you out of quarantine 7-10 days quicker. Dare I say, if you never got tested ... what quarantine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: ND positives today are half of what yesterday's record number was. Must be due to the mask mandates issued in Fargo and Minot on Monday night? Wait a second. Are you sure? So it was...an outlier? Are you saying that the presentation of this information by the State in this manner is potentially flawed, misleading, and counterproductive??? That we shouldn't rely on it, or read too much into it? Good God, man! What is it you are trying to tell us? On 4/15/2020 at 3:47 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: I think we can dispense with daily briefings, pressers, and numbers. Data fatigue is real. Even for experts, trying to monitor this information on such a micro level is absurd, and to extract anything meaningful is impossible. It's damn near reckless to distribute it to lay people. On 5/7/2020 at 3:09 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Daily reporting of COVID statistics is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to mankind. On 5/17/2020 at 7:10 AM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: I think it's high time the Department of Health publish daily statistics on ALL deaths. #FactsNotFear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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