bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 My biggest problem with all of this is the only people being held accountable is the student athletes. Coaches/administrators and mainly this clown Newman are making bank. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 "Come to NDSU. We'll try and not ruin your football career." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Different because it’s your ox being gored. The details are irrelevant to the discussion because the other poster is saying the entire team has a stimulant issue because of one positive test. Details are never irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Just doesn't really make sense to me that a junior fullback from Cavalier, who is already starting, feels he needs to be the rogue "find an edge" guy. This is my point, that I’m clearly doing a poor job of articulating. In his mind, it was likely “just another preworkout”. I’ve been taking these things since I was a kid before workouts, just like everybody else I know who is serious about their fitness. It was crummy luck, in addition to poor judgement on his part and on the part of BN, that this particular preworkout had a substance in it that is considered illegal by the NCAA. I don’t know the product he took, but because I know supplements very well, I can tell you there are dozens of supplements on the shelf in GNC and your local grocery store that have ncaa banned substances in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Maybe I’m somewhat immune to the significance of all of this because I know how prevalent preworkout use is among athletes. In my view, it’s very likely the only sin here, which shouldn’t go un punished if true, is the supplement wasn’t properly vetted and shouldn’t have been given to the player. Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically? Depends on how they played!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cratter said: "Come to NDSU. We'll try and not ruin your football career." And if we do, we don’t hold ourselves accountable. Get comfortable under that bus. This just bothers me and I’d be just as pissed if not more if it was UND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: Details are never irrelevant. Is the fact that I’m right handed relevant to my age? Is the fact that I own an iPhone relevant to my blood type? Details are irrelevant all of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. Hes a private contractor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bison06 said: So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem? Now you are comparing apples to kumquats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, bang said: My biggest problem with all of this is the only people being held accountable is the student athletes. Coaches/administrators and mainly this clown Newman are making bank. Agree, he needs to have some questions thrown his way. This is what it’s like for student athletes consistently though, they get the short end of most things in college it seems. Coaches can leave whenever they want, players are tied to the school with penalties for leaving. Coaches can do whatever they want to monetize themselves, players in most cases cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, bison73 said: Hes a private contractor . Paid by who? Do we know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkoHawks Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just an honest question...does the NCAA or even schools prepare lists of approved workout supplements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, bison73 said: Hes a private contractor . You have got to admit though someone was paying him to constantly be there, give his rah rah speeches, and, apparently, sell his goods. He already has ties to Kansas State which I find hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, gundy1124 said: Now you are comparing apples to kumquats. How so? Seems like exactly the same to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bison06 said: Paid by who? Do we know? Yes we do. NDSU Athletics or Chris Kleiman directly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Bison06 said: How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound? Assume all of them. Only difference is that it wasn’t the coaching staff supplying them to the players. Huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, SkoHawks said: Just an honest question...does the NCAA or even schools prepare lists of approved workout supplements? Nope, they specifically keep it vague. We were told dozens of times that the only way to be certain you pass any test is to take absolutely no supplements. Something as simple as a protein shake can have banned substances in it without being on the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Nope, they specifically keep it vague. We were told dozens of times that the only way to be certain you pass any test is to take absolutely no supplements. Something as simple as a protein shake can have banned substances in it without being on the label. Exactly true. I also got pulled out of bed once at 4 am to randomly pee in a cup. Really no way to dodge the tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bison06 said: So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem? If it’s reported in the paper that it was “used throughout the locker room” you think it’s strange that eyebrows are raised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: If it’s reported in the paper that it was “used throughout the locker room” you think it’s strange that eyebrows are raised? She’s a third party that has no real knowledge of the locker room. Not calling her a liar, but any knowledge she has was given to her second hand by BR who could have said what I’m trying to tell all of you about preworkout supplements. “Everybody uses them” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Is the fact that I’m right handed relevant to my age? Is the fact that I own an iPhone relevant to my blood type? Details are irrelevant all of the time. Yes it is, in fact, right handed people live, on average, 9 years longer than left handed people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: She’s a third party that has no real knowledge of the locker room. Not calling her a liar, but any knowledge she has was given to her second hand by BR who could have said what I’m trying to tell all of you about preworkout supplements. “Everybody uses them” And you don’t understand how that makes us suspicious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: She’s a third party that has no real knowledge of the locker room. Not calling her a liar, but any knowledge she has was given to her second hand by BR who could have said what I’m trying to tell all of you about preworkout supplements. “Everybody uses them” “I’m not calling her a liar, but she’s not telling the truth”. So a NDSU coach gave PEDs to her son only?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: And you don’t understand how that makes us suspicious? Suspicious, sure, me too. Jumping to crazy conclusions based on your own personal bias and no facts? I don’t see that as logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, homer said: “I’m not calling her a liar, but she’s not telling the truth”. So a NDSU coach gave PEDs to her son only?? Truth in many cases is a matter of perspective. Light is a particle, no, light is a photon. Both are true, depends on how it’s being observed. The absolute truth is out there somewhere, but her statement isn’t the end all be all of facts in this case if you look at her involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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