Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, SiouxVolley said: Some people just metabolize different chemicals at different rates. Some drugs have side effects in some people and are nearly absent in others. The argument that only one bizzon tested positive for a supplement does not absolve every one. Legally, it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, bang said: Andy Dufresne accused Warden Norton of being obtuse and he put Andy in the hole. I enjoy the "explaining" and how it's done at the Y. The NCAA ain't the Y. And how it's lesser because it's not the worst intentional thing that could've been done. Getting caught sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, SiouxVolley said: Some people just metabolize different chemicals at different rates. Some drugs have side effects in some people and are nearly absent in others. Might you test your own people to learn some of these rates and side effects? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I enjoy the "explaining" and how it's done at the Y. The NCAA ain't the Y. And how it's lesser because it's not the worst intentional thing that could've been done. Getting caught sucks. Dude... You realize I was responding directly to people stating that players in NDSU’s history performed in a way that suggests they were taking steroids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m cool with being Andy in this scenario. We know who ended up on the winning end of that. Be prepared to crawl thru a mile of !@#$ to get there. Zihuatanejo awaits my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: You realize I was responding directly to people stating that players in NDSU’s history performed in a way that suggests they were taking steroids? Yes I do. You were shading "stimulants" as better than "steroids". In the NCAA's shades both are black on a black/white scale. And your beef's not with me. It's in Indianapolis. Their scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, bang said: Be prepared to crawl thru a mile of !@#$ to get there. Zihuatanejo awaits my friend. I feel like I’m crawling through the *{%}€ right now in my convo with Sikatoka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: I feel like I’m crawling through the *{%}€ right now in my convo with Sikatoka. Your team and player put you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: I feel like I’m crawling through the *{%}€ right now in my convo with Sikatoka. Probably doesn’t help but it’s very entertaining for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Yes I do. You were shading "stimulants" as better than "steroids". In the NCAA's shades both are black on a black/white scale. I agree completely, in the eyes of the NCAA there isn’t a distinction. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they don’t make a distinction between Adderall and Heroin either. One is used by over 50% of high school and college students with the permission of their parents in many cases and the other is one of the most devastating drugs to hit the streets. I think it’s prudent among intelligent people to make distinctions that go slightly further than the NCAA’s black and white rules when we look at individual cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: First Kramer the strength coach, now Newman the supplier....this is just getting too fun. Maybe ndsu will blame it all on poppy seed muffins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: I agree completely, in the eyes of the NCAA there isn’t a distinction. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they don’t make a distinction between Adderall and Heroine either. One is used by over 50% of high school and college students with the permission of their parents in many cases and the other is one of the most devastating drugs to hit the streets. I think it’s prudent among intelligent people to make distinctions that go slightly further than the NCAA’s black and white rules when we look at individual cases. I wonder if that argument will get Robbins his year back for taking a substance supplied to him by NDSU coaching staff? No one on this board has ever accused the NCAA of being intelligent. Your at the right place if you want agreement on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The family: "We're not going to name names." Former Bison player: "oh that's easy. It was Newman." The NDSU AD, Matt Larson, lied. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, homer said: I wonder if that argument will get Robbins his year back for taking a substance supplied to him by NDSU coaching staff? No one on this board has ever accused the NCAA of being intelligent. Your at the right place if you want agreement on that. I’m not saying that the kid shouldn’t be assessed the appropriate penalty here. I’m only responding to those who are making a weak attempt to make the logic jump between BR testing positive for a stimulant and NDSU players in the past being on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: I agree completely, in the eyes of the NCAA there isn’t a distinction. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they don’t make a distinction between Adderall and Heroine either. One is used by over 50% of high school and college students with the permission of their parents in many cases and the other is one of the most devastating drugs to hit the streets. I think it’s prudent among intelligent people to make distinctions that go slightly further than the NCAA’s black and white rules when we look at individual cases. Bingo, I can see repeat offenders getting hit hard but this is just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Must be pretty common knowledge among the football team what the banned substance was and who provided it, if they can say it that quick and easy, amongst all the other supplements a team takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Cratter said: The family: "We're not going to name names." Former Bison player: "oh that's easy. It was Newman." The NDSU AD, Matt Larson, lied. I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Some people just metabolize different chemicals at different rates. Some drugs have side effects in some people and are nearly absent in others. The argument that only one bizzon tested positive for a supplement does not absolve every one. Someone forgot the "cut off date" not to take the banned substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, bang said: Bingo, I can see repeat offenders getting hit hard but this is just wrong. It’s the rules so I guess they all have to play by them, but not making a distinction between different substances is just laziness by the NCAA. Not a bit surprising I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. True, but the AD also specifically stated he received it from another student-athlete. That comment is quoted directly in the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. Independent contractors still work for the University. The university hired, and paid, Newman. The "staff/coach" part I'll give ya. Family saying "trusted staff member" cause they don't know how his employment with the university was set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job. A civil suit is probably where people will be held accountable on this one. Also, if NDSU doesn’t publicly come clean (doubtful, but perhaps they aren’t to blame) it may hurt them in recruiting. The public outcry from hanging a very good ND home grown kid will be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, jdub27 said: True, but the AD also specifically stated he received it from another student-athlete. That comment is quoted directly in the article. Maybe that’s true technically? Again, polically speaking BN could have given it to one player to give to BR and then what he says is true. I’m just speculating, no insider knowledge. doesnt make it right, just saying that I think the AD is likely choosing his words VERY carefully in his statement. He probably sought legal advice before making it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, bang said: A civil suit is probably where people will be held accountable on this one. Also, if NDSU doesn’t publicly come clean (doubtful, but perhaps they aren’t to blame) it may hurt them in recruiting. The public outcry from hanging a very good ND home grown kid will be terrible. Agreed, definitely not a good look and I would hope that even if legally NDSU has to isolate BR, behind the scenes they are being more cordial and accommodating to the family that trusted them with their son and his wellbeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: Maybe that’s true technically? Again, polically speaking BN could have given it to one player to give to BR and then what he says is true. I’m just speculating, no insider knowledge. doesnt make it right, just saying that I think the AD is likely choosing his words VERY carefully in his statement. He probably sought legal advice before making it. So than the mom is lying as she clearly states where he got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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