Who would UND hire?

[shep]

Just now, Dustin said:

In these situations, does a new HC keep someone (perhaps multiple someones) from a current staff to maintain some continuity with the team and committed recruits?

I know there are a few guys anyone would want to keep here, but with NLI and Portal why not just rebuild with your guys?

[MNHawk]

See if Vince Kehres has any interest in a HC job. 

[shep]

1 minute ago, MNHawk said:

See if Vince Kehres has any interest in a HC job. 

Who's he?

[Shawn-O]

3 minutes ago, Dustin said:

In these situations, does a new HC keep someone (perhaps multiple someones) from a current staff to maintain some continuity with the team and committed recruits?

It depends on their management style. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

23 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Not sure what that means, but in doesn’t  diminish his contributions to DeBoer’s successes.  
There is a reason DeBoer brought him along to Washington. He obviously valued his contributions.
I believe he wanted to accelerate his career opportunities so took the DC opportunity at SDSU. I’m not sure he will take an FCS HC rebuilding opportunity for less money.  He might. Others here that know him better think he might. 
 

Position and ST coordinator success does not guarantee head coach success. It is important to not lose sight of this. Schmidt has not been a part of a championship winning program as a head coach or coordinator, with the exception being 2016 UND, and we should not overlook that. I can appreciate his connection to the university and area, but shouldn’t be the preferred criteria has it limits the ceiling of success. I am very confident that Eric Schmidt applies, from what I’m told. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I’d suggest looking up what he did at each stop and rethink your comment about his success being on the coattails of Deboer because it wasn’t. However, if you’re going to stand by that comment then you are basically implying that all of Deboer’s assistants success was due to Deboer only. 
I also don’t agree that the HC job at UND is on the same level as a DC at SDSU. 

We will agree to disagree. DeBoer’s success speaks for itself, at numerous stops, many sans Schmidt. 
Being a head coach at a FCS program like UND (considering the opportunity for success and the facilities) is comparable to being a coordinator at a lower-tier Mountain West program. 
Schmidt was a position coach and special teams coach at Fresno State and Washington. He has not had success at the FBS as a defensive coordinator. He has never been a collegiate head coach.

I really think we should not immediately (again) jump to a former UND guy especially based on the lack of high level success as a coordinator or head coach … it’s Bubba all over again otherwise.

[ND-fan]

I am surprised, pressure from donors must have been there to get Bubba to step down and athletic department must have got permission or president pushed for change to come up with money for this transition. Second they probably have successor for the program probably lined up like some have stated. I was wrong I just didn’t think UND was ready to spend this amount of money it will be interesting how this plays out for athletics department. I was only right that UND wouldn’t fire Bubba because that is long term history with UND if you have been part of family and given total commitment when you’re there it usually doesn’t nasty.

[Cratter]

55 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Pay Brent Vigen whatever he wants.

Ok...so FBS poaches FCS...

So I guess if FBS usually decides their best bet is to poach lower leagues...

I guess UND should copy that and poach a lower league.

[UND-FB-FAN]

15 minutes ago, MNHawk said:

See if Vince Kehres has any interest in a HC job. 

Not a bad candidate. Checks boxes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Kehres

https://utrockets.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/vince-kehres/1283

[iramurphy]

43 minutes ago, MNHawk said:

He hasn’t done anything good since 2016. Wasn’t a very good OC at Cal or ASU. Struggled as a HC at Cal Poly. No thanks. 

Won 5 or 6 Big Sky Championships and a National Championship at Eastern Washington. Prior to that led Central Washington to a 10-3 record and quarter finals of D2 playoffs. Turning Cal Poly around would be a tall task for many. 
Certainly has necessary experience as HC at FCS and OC ( didn’t have success) at FBS level and pro experience in CFL. I don’t know if he would apply but I wouldn’t be surprised if Chaves would reach out. 
He is another guy I believe would warrant consideration. (Might have recruiting contacts in Canada).

[UND Football Fan]

Lennon was solid D coordinator at UND, good D2 coach but could not sustain at Southern Illinois.
 

Great OC/DC is not always the case, DeBoer you could say wasn’t lighting the world on fire at Southern Illinois as OC. He did not look over powering at Eastern Michigan, had a solid 2nd year OC at Fresno, did ok at Indiana before coming back to be head coach at Fresno. His HC at Sioux Falls showed how he could command a team. Just needed a break at a higher division which unfortunately UND did not give him that break. 

[Cratter]

5 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not a bad candidate. Checks boxes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Kehres

Taking over Mount Union is similar to taking the keys at NDSU.

[iramurphy]

9 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

We will agree to disagree. DeBoer’s success speaks for itself, at numerous stops, many sans Schmidt. 
Being a head coach at a FCS program like UND (considering the opportunity for success and the facilities) is comparable to being a coordinator at a lower-tier Mountain West program. 
Schmidt was a position coach and special teams coach at Fresno State and Washington. He has not had success at the FBS as a defensive coordinator. He has never been a collegiate head coach.

I really think we should not immediately (again) jump to a former UND guy especially based on the lack of high level success as a coordinator or head coach … it’s Bubba all over again otherwise.

Points well taken. He hasn’t really had enough time as SDSU to judge his DC results yet. He isn’t similar to Bubba as far as personality nor (do I believe) ability).  
Please understand, I’m not saying he would be the best choice, I’m saying he is worth consideration. 

[Shawn-O]

Jake Landry 

[Cratter]

7 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Jake Landry 

Might just be worth taking a gamble.

Especially since he's a coaches son.

Runs in his blood.

Won a championship as a player in HS.

Became the Captain of his college football team.

[Devils]

Have a hard time seeing Schmidt, at ~46 years old, going from FBS coordinator to FCS.  

[siouxkid12]

16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

We will agree to disagree. DeBoer’s success speaks for itself, at numerous stops, many sans Schmidt. 
Being a head coach at a FCS program like UND (considering the opportunity for success and the facilities) is comparable to being a coordinator at a lower-tier Mountain West program. 
Schmidt was a position coach and special teams coach at Fresno State and Washington. He has not had success at the FBS as a defensive coordinator. He has never been a collegiate head coach.

I really think we should not immediately (again) jump to a former UND guy especially based on the lack of high level success as a coordinator or head coach … it’s Bubba all over again otherwise.

I think we are saying the same thing, just different ways. I don’t think hiring Schmidt will solve UNDs problem and I also don’t think hiring from within the UND family is a great idea either. Schmidt will get his in due time. I just don’t want UND to repeat what they did when they had the option to hire Deboer but went with a “family” member instead. 

[UND Football Fan]

Jake left us right away and enjoyed coaching a talented team and QB. The AD may not want him because his he quit as soon as he was hired. 

[Shawn-O]

3 minutes ago, UND Football Fan said:

Jake left us right away and enjoyed coaching a talented team and QB. The AD may not want him because his he quit as soon as he was hired. 

Jake ended up being right but I see what you mean what a weird dynamic 

[UND-FB-FAN]

41 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I think we are saying the same thing, just different ways. I don’t think hiring Schmidt will solve UNDs problem and I also don’t think hiring from within the UND family is a great idea either. Schmidt will get his in due time. I just don’t want UND to repeat what they did when they had the option to hire Deboer but went with a “family” member instead. 

I agree. Preferred criteria should be previous success as a head coach. Alternatively, FCS coordinator success would be second tier. Simply going for a guy with UND connections is limiting the ceiling (again). 

[sioux24/7]

1 minute ago, Shawn-O said:

Jake ended up being right but I see what you mean what a weird dynamic 

Same could be said about Danny. Don’t think either will end up the guy though. 

[geaux_sioux]

I think now would be a good time for people to reflect on how wrong so many were in 2014. Take a log off the fire, none of us knows jack !@#$ about where they’re going to take this thing. Enjoy the ride. 

[Cratter]

Steve Ryan at Morningside ready for a new challenge?

[Ron Mexico]

Jake the Snake

[MNHawk]

13 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I think now would be a good time for people to reflect on how wrong so many were in 2014. Take a log off the fire, none of us knows jack !@#$ about where they’re going to take this thing. Enjoy the ride. 

Speculation is enjoying the ride for many. Fun to throw names out and chat about candidates. Take a deep breath.