Who would UND hire?

[Ron Mexico]

Bubba did a lot more than all the complainers on here give credit for.

Bubba is a class act.  Period.

We very easily could have not enjoyed all fhe success we have if Bubba had not brought the passion and commitment he did to UND.

Consistent top 25.  Playoffs 4/6 years.

Smoked NDSU last year.  Amazing home record.

Hockey is to UND what Football is to NDSU in terms of resources.  Berry makes about what their football coach makes.  Their assistants, much more.

Moo U gets their checkbooks out.  We need to do more than complain to get to that level.

[UNDBIZ]

For those who think the AD must already have a candidate or 2 in mind before making the move with Bubba, we thought the same when Muss was fired. Instead we had a month plus embarrassment of a process only for Bubba to apply after the initial job posting period had finished. 

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

In these situations, does a new HC keep someone (perhaps multiple someones) from a current staff to maintain some continuity with the team and committed recruits?

Frequently does but not always. New coaches bring in their guys and one maybe 2 of the remaining positions may be given to present staff member. Up to new HC. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 hours ago, Ron Mexico said:

Bubba did a lot more than all the complainers on here give credit for.

Bubba is a class act.  Period.

We very easily could have not enjoyed all fhe success we have if Bubba had not brought the passion and commitment he did to UND.

Consistent top 25.  Playoffs 4/6 years.

Smoked NDSU last year.  Amazing home record.

Hockey is to UND what Football is to NDSU in terms of resources.  Berry makes about what their football coach makes.  Their assistants, much more.

Moo U gets their checkbooks out.  We need to do more than complain to get to that level.

Yeah, this is baseless, other than I suppose Moo U does put up cash (and I suppose he’s a class act). You failed to mention that Bubba only made the playoffs 5 of his 11 seasons (less than 50% of the time in FCS is inadequate), and when he did make playoffs, his teams only went 1-5 (won 1 playoff game out of 6 total). He’s a nice guy who bleeds kelly green, but he was not a very good head football coach … period.
 

Onto the next head coach, desperately needed, and hopefully it will be someone who escalates the program …

[iramurphy]

7 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

For those who think the AD must already have a candidate or 2 in mind before making the move with Bubba, we thought the same when Muss was fired. Instead we had a month plus embarrassment of a process only for Bubba to apply after the initial job posting period had finished. 

I have no idea if Chaves have potential candidates in mind. It’s a good idea to be aware who is out there and may be available. There may be opportunities to establish relationships ahead of time and they can network with friends at all levels.  Coaches do the same in keeping guys in mind for assistant positions in case someone leaves the staff. 

[Siouxperman8]

54 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Yeah, this is baseless, other than I suppose Moo U does put up cash. You failed to mention that Bubba only made the playoffs 5 of his 11 seasons (less than 50% of the time in FCS is inadequate), and when he did make playoffs, he went a only 1-5 (won 1 playoff game out of 6 total). He’s a nice guy who bleeds kelly green, but he was not a very good head football coach … period.
 

Onto the next head coach, desperately needed, and hopefully it will be someone who escalates the program …

Baseless other than NDSU puts up cash?  You won't even agree that Bubba is a class act?   Hoping that was just an oversight on your part.  

[Ron Mexico]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Yeah, this is baseless, other than I suppose Moo U does put up cash. You failed to mention that Bubba only made the playoffs 5 of his 11 seasons (less than 50% of the time in FCS is inadequate), and when he did make playoffs, he went a only 1-5 (won 1 playoff game out of 6 total). He’s a nice guy who bleeds kelly green, but he was not a very good head football coach … period.
 

Onto the next head coach, desperately needed, and hopefully it will be someone who escalates the program …

Get your checkbook out and move the needle.

Takes money to buy whiskey.

 

[tnt]

1 minute ago, Ron Mexico said:

Get your checkbook out and move the needle.

Takes money to buy whiskey.

 

Well apparently now he can nap all he wants in his new position.  If we created another position like the federal government does, I suppose we know who they expect will pay for that.  

[SiouxFan100]

Bubba did the right thing and no longer is the UND football coach. Maybe now we can call off the dogs a bit. The AD not so much at this point.

[petey23]

7 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

Schmidt getting paid more than UND could afford, I doubt he leaves.

Their highest paid assistant coach made 330K in 2023.

250K in Grand Forks is close to 400K in San Diego.

[petey23]

1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

For those who think the AD must already have a candidate or 2 in mind before making the move with Bubba, we thought the same when Muss was fired. Instead we had a month plus embarrassment of a process only for Bubba to apply after the initial job posting period had finished. 

Faison was active though. I know he had reached out to Klieman to gauge his interest before Muss was fired.

[homer]

2 hours ago, shep said:

When he was here, the D sucked as much as it did this year.

I thought Bubba was solely the reason for poor defense and coordinators have no responsibility.  

[SooToo]

14 minutes ago, tnt said:

Well apparently now he can nap all he wants in his new position.  If we created another position like the federal government does, I suppose we know who they expect will pay for that.  

Classy take. Just watched the local sports where former rb James Johannesson described Bubba as a stand-up guy who did a lot to set him and other players up for their futures, but he must be wrong because I read from SS experts he's selfish, greedy and corrupt.

I think it's possible to appreciate Bubba's dedication to his job, his players and UND, and at the same time acknowledge the program's been going in the wrong direction recently under his direction. But it's a dichotomy some here seem to unwilling or unable to recognize.

[The Sicatoka]

Anyone read the book “The Peter Principle”? Good read. Recommend. 

[Hawkster]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Anyone read the book “The Peter Principle”? Good read. Recommend. 

That would probably be a good reason to fire any coach that hasn't moved on within 5 years.  The Peter Principle certainly explains Bubba.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Baseless other than NDSU puts up cash?  You won't even agree that Bubba is a class act?   Hoping that was just an oversight on your part.  

Yes, class act, but again, being nice doesn’t win football games as we all clearly found out. Coming on here and stating the following is misleading:

“Consistent top 25.  Playoffs 4/6 years.

Smoked NDSU last year.  Amazing home record.

Hockey is to UND what Football is to NDSU in terms of resources.  Berry makes about what their football coach makes.  Their assistants, much more.”

I would remind of the following stats: 

Bubba only made the playoffs 5 of his 11 seasons (less than 50% of the time in FCS is inadequate), and when he did make playoffs, he went a only 1-5 (won 1 playoff game out of 6 total). He’s a nice guy who bleeds kelly green, but he was not a very good head football coach

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Ron Mexico said:

Get your checkbook out and move the needle.

Takes money to buy whiskey.

 

You pay for what you get; and there was no reason to increase pay for mediocrity, which was there with Bubba.

Now, with the hiring of a new head coach, increasing pay for the right coaching staff is 100% in front of us. As for the checkbook, done ✔️. Thanks for your concern. LGH

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Anyone read the book “The Peter Principle”? Good read. Recommend. 

 

2 hours ago, Hawkster said:

That would probably be a good reason to fire any coach that hasn't moved on within 5 years.  The Peter Principle certainly explains Bubba.

For anyone unfamiliar:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
 

In general, I agree with the principle, and its application to college football coaching. It is critically important UND hires someone who will be competent in their role as head football coach at UND, and we all should fully expect they will be hired as a FBS coach in the next 3-5 years. If not, and UND is considered the final destination, then that would be a major red flag as we begin to evaluate candidates. Hard to predict the future, but need to hire someone who “looks” for UND to be a stepping stone. What does that look like? A fast riser, someone moving up the ranks quickly. The guys with previous UND ties don’t necessarily fit that narrative to be honest. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, SooToo said:

Classy take. Just watched the local sports where former rb James Johannesson described Bubba as a stand-up guy who did a lot to set him and other players up for their futures, but he must be wrong because I read from SS experts he's selfish, greedy and corrupt.

I think it's possible to appreciate Bubba's dedication to his job, his players and UND, and at the same time acknowledge the program's been going in the wrong direction recently under his direction. But it's a dichotomy some here seem to unwilling or unable to recognize.

Good mentor in life, yes, but not a very good football coach. It’s a dichotomy, sure, but it is also amazing how many fail to recognize the timing failure here. There are other mentoring and counseling positions one can have that are not division one head football coach, such as the role just carved out for Bubba Schweigert (Senior Associate Athletic Director for Engagement and Mentorship). Schweigert should have moved to a position like this years ago, as it clearly best fits his abilities, but never late than never. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

22 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

 

For anyone unfamiliar:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
 

In general, I agree with the principle, and its application to college football coaching. It is critically important UND hires someone who will be competent in their role as head football coach at UND, and we all should fully expect they will be hired as a FBS coach in the next 3-5 years. If not, and UND is considered the final destination, then that would be a major red flag as we begin to evaluate candidates. Hard to predict the future, but need to hire someone who “looks” for UND to be a stepping stone. What does that look like? A fast riser, someone moving up the ranks quickly. The guys with previous UND ties don’t necessarily fit that narrative to be honest. 

@Ron Mexico Please do your best to try and understand this principle. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I think now would be a good time for people to reflect on how wrong so many were in 2014. Take a log off the fire, none of us knows jack !@#$ about where they’re going to take this thing. Enjoy the ride. 

Learn from 2013/2014. Grab a fast riser, most likely to use UND as a stepping stone. Looking back on Bubba vs DeBoer, there were signs who would ascend further and faster. One was clearly more of a “UND is the final designation” guy, and I strongly think that needs to be avoided now this time around.

[Oxbow6]

@UND1983 texted me and thinks UND should hire Kevin to secure Jett. 

[Ron Mexico]

If only Danny had had a mentor that removed an underperforming coach and elevated him so he could be on a FBS trajectory.

Oh, wait…..

 

And he was here a year ago.

[Sioux>Bison]

11 hours ago, Ron Mexico said:

Bubba did a lot more than all the complainers on here give credit for.

Bubba is a class act.  Period.

We very easily could have not enjoyed all fhe success we have if Bubba had not brought the passion and commitment he did to UND.

Consistent top 25.  Playoffs 4/6 years.

Smoked NDSU last year.  Amazing home record.

Hockey is to UND what Football is to NDSU in terms of resources.  Berry makes about what their football coach makes.  Their assistants, much more.

Moo U gets their checkbooks out.  We need to do more than complain to get to that level.

Bubba didn’t have enough resources to win national titles at first but now he has much less excuses. There is zero reason a school like UND should ever miss the playoffs even in the memorial stadium days. Being a consistent top 25 team means nothing if you can’t make the playoffs……

 

I will give bubba credit for helping building out the facilities we have now. He has been a big booster for UND. It’s just too bad his teams didn’t perform at the highest level. He is giving a big opportunity to a new coach!

[homer]

7 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Yes, class act, but again, being nice doesn’t win football games as we all clearly found out. Coming on here and stating the following is misleading:

 

“Consistent top 25.  Playoffs 4/6 years.

Smoked NDSU last year.  Amazing home record.

Hockey is to UND what Football is to NDSU in terms of resources.  Berry makes about what their football coach makes.  Their assistants, much more.”

I would remind of the following stats: 

Bubba only made the playoffs 5 of his 11 seasons (less than 50% of the time in FCS is inadequate), and when he did make playoffs, he went a only 1-5 (won 1 playoff game out of 6 total). He’s a nice guy who bleeds kelly green, but he was not a very good head football coach

Bubba took over a program that was a train wreck.  Your numbers are accurate but don’t tell the entire story.  
 

He certainly left it much better than he found it and that takes good coaching.  On field performance, fan engagement and facilities are way better for an incoming coach.  Look at other schools in college football that have been dumpster fires and new coaches cannot fix the problem.