Who would UND hire?

[Siouxperman8]

51 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Good work, how does that compare to the competing universities?

Not sure but I expect it's higher than what we had in the 80's for the teams I was on.

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, UND1983 said:

I noticed D2 Northwest Missouri St fired their head coach after missing playoffs two years in a row.  
 

Standards.

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Not sure but I expect it's higher than what we had in the 80's for the teams I was on.

Was basket weaving a major or just a series of classes at that time?

[90siouxfan]

7 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

Making the FCS playoffs in this watered down version isn't much more than a participation ribbon.   Getting a seed is currently a better indication that you will compete.

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Bubba has yet to miss the playoffs two years in a row since joining the MVFC.

But if he does, he will likely get fired too.

Hopefully he can quickly replicate the 65-22 record and three conference titles that NWMS guy had

[Cratter]

31 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Making the FCS playoffs in this watered down version isn't much more than a participation ribbon.   Getting a seed is currently a better indication that you will compete.

Nice....so a lot like d2 and Northwest Missouri State:

Not getting a participation ribbon in a water down division and waiting 2 year of missed playoffs before firing the coach.

[Cratter]

50 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Hopefully he can quickly replicate the 65-22 record and three conference titles that NWMS guy had

Yeah. Bubba has two conference titles so hopefully the new guy can do better than three conference titles.

Hopefully the guy takes the program on an upward projectary from when he took over.

Unlike the NWMS guy. Who took one at the top and only took it downward.

[UND1983]

11 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Yeah. Bubba has two so hopefully the new guy can do better than three conference titles.

Hopefully the guy takes the program on an upward projectary from when he took over.

Unlike the NWMS guy. Who took one at the top and only took it downward.

You're trying so hard, I get it.  "Bubba has two"  

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You're trying so hard, I get it.

Yeah trying to say its not high standards to fire a coach after missing two straight years of playoffs.

Especially when he took over a program that has the most titles in D2. And they had won multiple right before he took over.

I consider that low standards. Maybe that's just me.

 

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

Yeah trying to say it not high standards to fire a coach after missing two straight years of playoffs.

Especially when he took over a team that has the most titles in D2. And they had won multiple right before taking over.

I consider that low standards. Maybe that's just me.

 

You = winner.  High Standards.  

[UND1983]

But seriously, the guy was 65-22 at D2 level and got canned.  Because the athletic department expects championships.  Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?

Let me fill you in on a little secret.

UND has played football for 130 years, and has only won one national championship.

That's a lot of years of holding your breathe....similar to being a MN Vikings fan.

[Siouxperman8]

8 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

Was basket weaving a major or just a series of classes at that time?

We had a lot of good students who became successful lawyers, doctors, engineers, PTs, business execs….  Just think it wouldn’t take many low scores to drive team gpa below 3.3. 
 

the only accredited basket weaving major was the underwater discipline. 

[UND1983]

7 hours ago, Cratter said:

Let me fill you in on a little secret.

UND has played football for 130 years, and has only won one national championship.

That's a lot of years of holding your breathe....similar to being a MN Vikings fan.

Conference even?

[UND92,96]

I realize there are several important differences in the two eras, such as the state of the program when they took over, but it's nevertheless interesting that Bubba's current winning percentage after nearly 11 full seasons (.559) is actually lower than what Pat Behrns' was at the time he was fired at the end of his sixth season (.571). Behrns was 8-3 in this second-to-last season, but followed that up with a 3-8 record in his final season, with an embarrassing 49-0 loss to NDSU to end the season, and that was enough to send him packing. But then again I'm sure Behrns didn't have three years left on his contract at the time.

[sioux24/7]

Would people be in favor of giving the keys to Fruechte? I get wanting to get out of the program but he only has one year in the program. Has done a good job with the offense, in my opinion. Maybe didn’t choose everyone’s favorite QB but they’ve done well. Doesn’t have any head coaching experience maybe a negative. 

[UND08]

22 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Would people be in favor of giving the keys to Fruechte? I get wanting to get out of the program but he only has one year in the program. Has done a good job with the offense, in my opinion. Maybe didn’t choose everyone’s favorite QB but they’ve done well. Doesn’t have any head coaching experience maybe a negative. 

I think Fruechte has a bright future...but at this point I think we need a reboot.

[gundy1124]

20 minutes ago, UND08 said:

I think Fruechte has a bright future...but at this point I think we need a reboot.

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

[fightingsioux4life]

10 hours ago, UND1983 said:

But seriously, the guy was 65-22 at D2 level and got canned.  Because the athletic department expects championships.  Are we so far gone that we don't even expect championships anymore?

This attitude has become entrenched over the past 15+ years of Division I. Even the hockey team has ready-made excuses for not hanging green banners.

It is very sad.

[UND08]

38 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

Counterpoint - The right coach raid's his current program's signing class and we grab 15 guys from the portal and infuse an immediate talent boost while building a recruiting base that brings us better all-around talent.

And also...you're only talking offense with player retention...because chances are Fruechte would entirely re-boot the defense so those players will likely be evaluating their futures regardless.  

[Sioux94]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

Always the risk of rebooting 15 guys into the portal on a "National Search" which is fun.  I see both ways on this one.

Going to be a lot of transfers out this off season. And we have we almost zero chance of winning more than one playoff game next year without some drastic changes. Not sure we are even .500 next year. Next year is a lost year anyway, just like this one. At this point I'm ready to roll the dice on a change/reboot. 

[iramurphy]

2 hours ago, UND92,96 said:

I realize there are several important differences in the two eras, such as the state of the program when they took over, but it's nevertheless interesting that Bubba's current winning percentage after nearly 11 full seasons (.559) is actually lower than what Pat Behrns' was at the time he was fired at the end of his sixth season (.571). Behrns was 8-3 in this second-to-last season, but followed that up with a 3-8 record in his final season, with an embarrassing 49-0 loss to NDSU to end the season, and that was enough to send him packing. But then again I'm sure Behrns didn't have three years left on his contract at the time.

Behrns was an interesting guy. He was a great recruiter. His assistants at the time didn’t have a lot of D2 experience. UND recruited a number of very good skill players (Willis Jacob, Tracy Martin, Milsen Jones) and won recruiting battles against NDSU.  They recruited a number of D3 guys that looked great on paper especially linemen who couldn’t move. I thought Dave Olson and Richman were pretty good coaches but we just didn’t have the team talent or depth. Tom Clifford used to stop in my office now and then while he was waiting for George Schubert to play handball. We had a conversation about our FB struggles and I brought that up. (I also told Pat the same thing after he was let go and he agreed). More than anything, Behrns had lost to the Bison every year after his initial win. 
After UND he was an assistant at Utah State and eventually HC at UNO where he had some very good teams. 

[shep]

I had a bar conversation with the big nose guard Randy (can't recall last name) about Behrns. He said the guy could sell ice to Eskimos, but he wasn't a great X and O guy.

[AJS]

38 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

Going to be a lot of transfers out this off season. And we have we almost zero chance of winning more than one playoff game next year without some drastic changes. Not sure we are even .500 next year. Next year is a lost year anyway, just like this one. At this point I'm ready to roll the dice on a change/reboot. 

Bubba has lost the program, completely. Everyone knows it. The ceiling next year will be .500, but that seems unlikely. We can talk in absolutes. Burn the program to the ground, Bubba!

Go team GPA!

[UND08]

13 minutes ago, shep said:

I had a bar conversation with the big nose guard Randy (can't recall last name) about Behrns. He said the guy could sell ice to Eskimos, but he wasn't a great X and O guy.

I think surrounding himself with guys like Lance Leipold during his run in Omaha helped with this greatly...