Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature

[Frozen4sioux]

34 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

This too, looks nice.

I also would have like if they went out-of-the box for their court design... but how do you encompass ND like these courts

Really the court as is with the green sidelines, that’s kinda our landscape pic the same way Denver has the mountains ghosted in there.

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, Davlun said:

It's easy to tarnish the legacy of someone who has passed away. How much should the foundation give UND? We need them and insulting them isn't the way to put handle this. 

 

We don’t need them. We’d probably have a healthier athletics program without them. They aren’t the only ones with money.

[UNDBIZ]

6 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

We don’t need them. We’d probably have a healthier athletics program without them. 

In the short term, yes. Lot of hope/trust that maintaining a relationship will lead to future donations. 

[UNDBIZ]

Also, you never want to have a big public divorce with a big former donor. Doesn't give other potential donors warm fuzzies. 

[Frozen4sioux]

43 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

We don’t need them. We’d probably have a healthier athletics program without them. They aren’t the only ones with money.

Just HOF entries in the human trash category of posts,  coming in hot.

[geaux_sioux]

12 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Just HOF entries in the human trash category of posts,  coming in hot.

So my post is untrue?

[geaux_sioux]

57 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

In the short term, yes. Lot of hope/trust that maintaining a relationship will lead to future donations. 

I don’t think it’s sustainable or flexible to over-rely on one big donor. There is also potential that other donors donate less because they figure the Engelstad family will pick up the slack.

[Fetch]

Doesn't UND have a communication dept. That could help with all this ?

[Davlun]

9 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

We don’t need them. We’d probably have a healthier athletics program without them. They aren’t the only ones with money.

Really, how many other donors do we have to give us a gift like this. It has made UND and Grand Forks a showcase of hockey. The gift has benefited our community in many ways. 

[siouxkid12]

15 hours ago, Fetch said:

Sico brought back this brain Fart from the past - point is / was I could follow any team (USHL) ? That could / would play at the Ralph as the Fighting Sioux 

I don't believe that UND would sign off on selling the trademarks for "Fighting Sioux" and the logo's

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, Davlun said:

Really, how many other donors do we have to give us a gift like this. It has made UND and Grand Forks a showcase of hockey. The gift has benefited our community in many ways. 

The gift was delivered back in 2001. It isn't like we are getting tens of millions of dollars from them annually.

[Oxbow6]

8 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The gift was delivered back in 2001. It isn't like we are getting tens of millions of dollars from them annually.

I think his point is how the "gift" has benefited the community as a whole since it opened.  Think of the dollars spent on hotels, restaurants, shopping, ect....within the community any time the Ralph hosts an event. To look at this "gift" as a one time entity is ignorant and very myopic.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

I think his point is how the "gift" has benefited the community as a whole since it opened.  Think of the dollars spent on hotels, restaurants, shopping, ect....within the community any time the Ralph host an event. To look at this "gift" as a one time entity is ignorant and very myopic.

You mean, like giving the Engelstad family a pass forever and refusing to acknowledge even the possibility that they may be acting out of self-interest rather than the best interests of UND?

[Oxbow6]

Just now, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

You mean, like giving the Engelstad family a pass forever and refusing to acknowledge even the possibility that they may be acting out of self-interest rather than the best interests of UND?

Not disagreeing but that argument is apples to oranges.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

You mean, like giving the Engelstad family a pass forever and refusing to acknowledge even the possibility that they may be acting out of self-interest rather than the best interests of UND?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Davlun said:

Really, how many other donors do we have to give us a gift like this. It has made UND and Grand Forks a showcase of hockey. The gift has benefited our community in many ways. 

That wasn't the point and it isn't the point. Bolstering hockey while isolating the other programs does not equate to a healthy athletic department as a whole. That is the overall concern here. The logo is simply a component of the overall issue.  Yes, the Ralph Engelstad Arena is a tremendous venue. The hockey program is a top national program. But, the concern is still there that the University of North Dakota lacks in its other programs considering it's division one status and *potential* revenue redistribution opportunities. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, Davlun said:

Really, how many other donors do we have to give us a gift like this. It has made UND and Grand Forks a showcase of hockey. The gift has benefited our community in many ways. 

Too many eggs in that niche basket.

[Oxbow6]

36 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

21 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

That wasn't the point and it isn't the point. Bolstering hockey while isolating the other programs does not equate to a healthy athletic department as a whole. That is the overall concern here. The logo is simply a component of the overall issue.  Yes, the Ralph Engelstad Arena is a tremendous venue. The hockey program is a top national program. But, the concern is still there that the University of North Dakota lacks in its other programs considering it's division one status and *potential* revenue redistribution opportunities. 

 

15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Too many eggs in that niche basket.

What time do you guys, along with Noise, typically meet at the Cenex in Hillsboro each morning to put your group think thoughts together???

[darell1976]

3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

 

 

What time do you guys, with Noise, typically meet at the Cenex in Hillsboro each morning to put your group think thoughts together???

Hillsboro is only a cup of coffee away.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

That wasn't the point and it isn't the point. Bolstering hockey while isolating the other programs does not equate to a healthy athletic department as a whole. That is the overall concern here. The logo is simply a component of the overall issue.  Yes, the Ralph Engelstad Arena is a tremendous venue. The hockey program is a top national program. But, the concern is still there that the University of North Dakota lacks in its other programs considering it's division one status and *potential* revenue redistribution opportunities. 

How did you conjecture all that from his one post?    The post of his you are referencing is factual in all 3 points he makes.  There was nothing mentioned of inequality, logo, or revenue distribution. If you are going to present an argument at least keep in on the rails as to what was presented.

[UND1981]

17 hours ago, southpaw said:

I don't have a problem with the plan approved by every team that plays at the Betty.  Get used to it.   That's what the ice at the Ralph should look like as well. Only FH logo at the center. North Dakota should always be secondary to the logo, just like I'm sure you agree the Sioux logo should have always been first.

Had REA just put North Dakota at center ice, and not the Sioux logo, would you have told everyone to "get used to it"?

No to your question.   I am very grateful for the REA, especially every time I'm in the place.

Having North Dakota at center court (as KEM wants), yes, is different than other schools.  Isn't that a good outcome?  At least that has an inkling of uniqueness.

[UND1983]

14 minutes ago, UND1981 said:

No to your question.   I am very grateful for the REA, especially every time I'm in the place.

Having North Dakota at center court (as KEM wants), yes, is different than other schools.  Isn't that a good outcome?  At least that has an inkling of uniqueness.

It's unique because most every other school in America is not stupid enough to do it.  

[petey23]

8 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

It's unique because most every other school in America is not stupid enough to do it.  

Not every other school in America was forced to give up their iconic logo and then voluntarily chose to get rid of their next best option on their own.

[snova4]

Some of you amaze me. The impact on the community alone because of this one time donation can't be measured. I can say, as someone that doesn't live in Grand Forks,  I've spent North of $10,000 since 2010 in Grand Forks that wouldn't have been spent without that building, and that's without attending a game the last two years (damn kids). How many more people are there like me? It's not strictly you blue bloods filling that building and the hotels each weekend.  Without that hockey program, what does Grand Forks offer to outsiders that couldn't be found in any other mid size city in the Midwest? The only thing that's unique and an attraction is a hockey program that offers a better atmosphere than any pro game I've ever been to, and it's quite likely based solely on that building. 

 

As far as other donors, I don't see anyone else ponying up over $100 million for anything, and even if they did, why would they want to? While Kennedy might be in the right, and at the end of the day a logo on the floor shouldn't matter, but you can't tell me that someone that spends that kind of money isn't going to want some kind of say no matter who they are, and the condescending response by Kennedy in the emails is going to give them pause, because if he's going to talk like that to someone that's spent that kind of money, he'll do it to anyone. 

 

Finally, yes, North Dakota is in a budget crunch, that should have been foreseen, and it's not ridiculous to request a revisit to the revenue sharing agreement, but at the same time, the university has made some extremely questionable decisions in money allocation over the past several years when this budget shortfall could have been predicted. While this will blow up in Engelstad Foundations face,  the university is going to have collateral damage from other donors because of Kennedy's arrogance. Seriously, he implied that he would sue a donor, you don't think that's not going to give other donors pause? 

[UND1983]

9 minutes ago, petey23 said:

Not every other school in America was forced to give up their iconic logo and then voluntarily chose to get rid of their next best option on their own.

Doesn't mean they should put their school name on the court, especially when it's two words.  Awful.