tnt Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: He didn't mince words. That was what he believed. Some other things were that he didn't realize how good '15-16 team was until after the fact since he had no other team to compare it to. '16-17 was a big step back in talent level. '17-18 team was a really good step forward from previous year(surprising to hear since they missed NCAAs). Then said he thinks this team is set up to be closer to '15-16 level but qualified it saying he can't 100% they will be as good because that team was special. Then he said "...of course if we lose to Bemidji no one cares about that, people want to see results" So a team without Boeser, Jost and Tucker Poolman was a step up from a team with them. I could see if he used the word potential in that, as I think when Kawaguchi, Adams, Mismash, Bast and Kiersted have more time under their belts they might be very special, but they showed they had a learning curve last year. Quote
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, tnt said: So a team without Boeser, Jost and Tucker Poolman was a step up from a team with them. I could see if he used the word potential in that, as I think when Kawaguchi, Adams, Mismash, Bast and Kiersted have more time under their belts they might be very special, but they showed they had a learning curve last year. Don't shoot the messenger Quote
burd Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 A big factor this year will be how much the game has slowed down for Kawaguchi. IMO. 1 Quote
tnt Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 3 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: Don't shoot the messenger No, that’s why I was trying to figure if he was basing it on overall potential of talent. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 4 hours ago, burd said: A big factor this year will be how much the game has slowed down for Kawaguchi. IMO. Easy the player who made the biggest strides from day 1 last year. Quote
burd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Easy the player who made the biggest strides from day 1 last year. Yeah, he has a high ceiling, and the pucks should start going in for him this year. Funny game, though, the way development works. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 16: Stetcher, T Poolman, Thompson, LaDue, Ausmus, Chartrand, Wolanin, Shaw 19: Bast, Kierstad, Peski, C Poolman, Tychonick, Rieger, Bernard-Docker, Shaw And Matt Shaw is saying that in any conversation? That's a pretty high bar. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 All that just said, we'll need at least 1.5 goals per weekend from the defense. Quote
Goon Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: 16: Stetcher, T Poolman, Thompson, LaDue, Ausmus, Chartrand, Wolanin, Shaw 19: Bast, Kierstad, Peski, C Poolman, Tychonick, Rieger, Bernard-Docker, Shaw And Matt Shaw is saying that in any conversation? That's a pretty high bar. Looking at that list, if a player has a bad game or weekend, someone very talented is going to be sitting out. Quote
Goon Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 19 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: Don't shoot the messenger Ha. 2 Quote
scpa0305 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. It’s not time to panic just yet Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 20 hours ago, tnt said: So a team without Boeser, Jost and Tucker Poolman was a step up from a team with them. I could see if he used the word potential in that, as I think when Kawaguchi, Adams, Mismash, Bast and Kiersted have more time under their belts they might be very special, but they showed they had a learning curve last year. I think he was talking about the freshman class that came in that year. I could have read that wrong. They way I took it, the class was a better influx of talent last year than the freshman class that was brought in two years ago. Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: 16: Stetcher, T Poolman, Thompson, LaDue, Ausmus, Chartrand, Wolanin, Shaw 19: Bast, Kierstad, Peski, C Poolman, Tychonick, Rieger, Bernard-Docker, Shaw And Matt Shaw is saying that in any conversation? That's a pretty high bar. If you're looking from pure NHL draft stock, there's a 1st and second rounder in 19 and none in 16. Hard to compare a finished product to a pure talent discussion, obviously, but I think Shaw is saying the kids are very talented. I can see how it's taken with controversy, but it's not a huge reach when you have a group with two very high draft picks in there. Quote
southpaw Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. Just looked and during the 11 games the "heavy line" was together, they combined for 8 goals and 10 assists. Pretty fantastic for a shutdown line. Quote
AJS Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: 16: Stetcher, T Poolman, Thompson, LaDue, Ausmus, Chartrand, Wolanin, Shaw 19: Bast, Kierstad, Peski, C Poolman, Tychonick, Rieger, Bernard-Docker, Shaw And Matt Shaw is saying that in any conversation? That's a pretty high bar. I posted a few months back how I thought this defensive core was going to be deeper than the '16 group, won't be as talented with the Top 4, but I'd take 5-7 this year over '16. Kierstad / Shaw / Peski > Thompson / Wolanin (FR) / Shaw (FR) Quote
AJS Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. We'll see how it plays out, but count me in the group that's concerned about the forwards. I like that you have a built in first line of Kawaguchi / Jones / Mismash, who will be better this year than last year. Gardner is a great piece for the 2nd line center, where I'll disagree with you, is I don't think Hain is Top 6, JJ is borderline. I would hope Adams gets a shot to start the year, he is a talented offensive player, then I'd say it's a coin flip between JJ / Weatherby. My make or break guys are Hoff & Bowen, this team needs something from that junior class. Mismash / Jones / Kawaguchi Weatherby / Garnder / Adams JJ / Hoff / Hain That's not a bad Top 9, Bowen / Smith would be solid 4th line guys. It didn't happen last year, but like you said, we need some offense from the 3rd line this year. Quote
tnt Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 13 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. After the top six forwards, the numbers of Duluth don’t stand out above and beyond, but I think they had better production and consistency from their top six. A lot of teams struggle to score consistently, but that is why having a defensive corps that can help out a lot is huge. Like Schlossman’s blog said, special teams are the difference, and we have to be better killing penalties and scoring on the power play. Timely scoring is going to be the difference between all the ties, and taking a step forward this year. Quote
Blackheart Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 14 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I believe in today's college hockey you must have a legitimate threat of offense from your third line and the top two lines be more than just a threat but producing consistently. That said, I'm very concerned about offense this season. The top six I see are Jones, Hain, Kawaguchi, Mismash, Gardner, JJ. That scares me because I don't see two full consistent production lines there. The make or break guys are Weatherby, Yon, Bowen, Adams, Smith, Hoff. For every one of the top six that don't produce, one of these six must, and beyond that, at least two more must produce. I see 12 names there. I'm struggling to find a consistent 2.5 GPG throughout a season. And frankly, I could see games where the offense is going so poorly they put out a line-up without a traditional "fourth line" scraping for any scoring. Mentioning "fourth" ... Johnson, Senden, Keane? I see them as the match-up/energy line guys all season long. Keep the faith Sic! 1 Quote
Wilbur Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 2:45 PM, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: Don't shoot the messenger Good luck here.... 2 Quote
Sodbuster Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 Maybe it was mentioned here already and I missed it, but was there an iron man competition for the team this year? Also, there sure isn't much information coming out so far about how things are looking on the ice. Quote
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, Sodbuster said: Maybe it was mentioned here already and I missed it, but was there an iron man competition for the team this year? Also, there sure isn't much information coming out so far about how things are looking on the ice. The coaches can only spend limited time with them before October 6th. I don't recall there being much info coming out before this time in previous years? Quote
Sodbuster Posted September 30, 2018 Posted September 30, 2018 8 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: The coaches can only spend limited time with them before October 6th. I don't recall there being much info coming out before this time in previous years? Well, someone always knew the winner of the ironman competition. Quote
siouxforce19 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Sodbuster said: Well, someone always knew the winner of the ironman competition. But this has been an eerily quiet offseason and an even quieter preseason, so... not just for UND, but it’s just seeemed real quiet across college hockey. Quote
burd Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 8 hours ago, siouxforce19 said: But this has been an eerily quiet offseason and an even quieter preseason, so... not just for UND, but it’s just seeemed real quiet across college hockey. Is gfhockey in jail on a probation violation? 1 Quote
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