SWSiouxMN Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, ChrisUND1 said: A rebuttal to the Mike Jacobs piece: https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/womens-hockey-program-und-died-supporting/ If anything ever gets reinstated at UND, it should be something that actually makes a difference in life, not a sport. Think music therapy; I have seen firsthand what that can do for a patient in the hospital. So many people lost their jobs at UND, I'm sick and tired of women's hockey coming up over and over. Anything reinstated needs to be academic, that has to be #1 with a bullet. Reinstating anything from the athletic side without balance from the academic side will not go over very well. 1 Quote
HawksHoops Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said: can you update the list with the CC funds, or give me a better explanation? http://www.inforum.com/sports/4247564-all-individual-sports-ndsu-und-lose-money-annual-financial-report-indicates I don't have CC numbers for last year, but this article from 4/7/2017 lists $10.4 M for non-specific athletics revenue for UND. That means it's revenue that is not tied directly to a sport (e.g. champion's club, merchandise, tv rights). If you offset the losses per sport with that revenue, UND athletics had a buget deficit of $1.4 M for the year. While we would all like to see this number in the black, it certainly isn't as bad as listing all the sports and their losses. Per the article, NDSU attributes some of their donations and merchandise sales to specific sports making them look more profitable on a chart that UND's. Quote
SWSiouxMN Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 On an unrelated topic: what is the status of men’s golf? Any chance they make the goal before the end of this season? Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, ChrisUND1 said: A rebuttal to the Mike Jacobs piece: https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/womens-hockey-program-und-died-supporting/ If anything ever gets reinstated at UND, it should be something that actually makes a difference in life, not a sport. Think music therapy; I have seen firsthand what that can do for a patient in the hospital. So many people lost their jobs at UND, I'm sick and tired of women's hockey coming up over and over. You bring up a very good point. The sports cuts get the publicity way over the much larger cuts that were taken in academics at this U. Many jobs were lost at the U. There is a very high inventory of vacant apartments and large amount homes for sale in GF. Quote
UNDvince97-01 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said: Great Only 14 pages?.... 3 Quote
Popular Post UNDBIZ Posted March 1, 2018 Popular Post Posted March 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said: Only 14 pages?.... I have no idea how they're going to cram it all into so few pages. 5 Quote
Popular Post HawksHoops Posted March 1, 2018 Popular Post Posted March 1, 2018 Just now, UNDBIZ said: I have no idea how they're going to cram it all into so few pages. Tiny Font 1 6 Quote
jdub27 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/26/2018 at 9:17 PM, Oxbow6 said: Agree but that is just a byproduct of dropping WH. To insinuate or suggest that was a legitimate factor in the decision..............nope. The bigger dispute was that the REA wanted the vacated space for their own use, while UND rightfully insisted they needed to retain it to upgrade a women's sport facilities (soccer) to prevent Title IX issues. 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The bigger dispute was that the REA wanted the vacated space for their own use, while UND rightfully insisted they needed to retain it to upgrade a women's sport facilities (soccer) to prevent Title IX issues. Ok.............I guess I heard from a reliable source the cutting of WH was strictly an athletic budget issue or so it was sold as such. The vacated space dispute again is a byproduct of not having WH at the Ralph. Obviously I'm missing something......... Quote
UNDBIZ Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Ok.............I guess I heard from a reliable source the cutting of WH was strictly an athletic budget issue or so it was sold as such. Paying REA $2 million per year on top of REA taking a large cut of ticket sales is an athletic budget issue. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Paying REA $2 million per year on top of REA taking a large cut of ticket sales is an athletic budget issue. We are talking just WH correct? First part.....agree. Second part.....large cut of tickets sales? There were no tickets sales for WH. If one was from the "rob Peter to pay Paul" camp to keep WH afloat then I can see your where you are going. I don't see the REA being the villain in why WH was cut. Quote
Nodak78 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/27/2018 at 9:01 AM, tnt said: You expected something with reason from Mike Jacobs? NOOOOOO. and NOOOOOO. I expect no reasoning from Jacobs. Quote
UNDBIZ Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: We are talking just WH correct? First part.....agree. Second part.....large cut of tickets sales? There were no tickets sales for WH. The points you make in this scenario are far from mutually exclusive. If one was from the "rob Peter to pay Paul" camp to keep WH afloat then I can see your where you are going. I don't see the REA being the villain in why WH was cut. I'm talking all ticket sales and the overall athletics budget. If REA can make money by having more open weekends, and thus not have to charge the university $2 million per year, that may be another reason (among a long list of reasons) to drop WIH. Kennedy said he met with REA and the Alerus to review the contracts and discuss ways to reduce cost and/or increase revenue to UND. I have no proof, but I would put forward a theory that REA told him how they could make more money (and thus charge UND less). 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: I don't see the REA being the villain in why WH was cut. They aren't because everyone decided long ago that it was going to be UND/Mark Kennedy. But they didn't put up the resistance that people claimed they would. I think we're all essentially on the same page. The REA didn't come up with the idea but they didn't have much of a reason to be opposed to it and there were benefits in it happening for them. There are upsides to unfortunate decisions but numbers are what they are. 1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said: Kennedy said he met with REA and the Alerus to review the contracts and discuss ways to reduce cost and/or increase revenue to UND. I have no proof, but I would put forward a theory that REA told him how they could make more money (and thus charge UND less). Correct. The agreement between UND and the REA is based on ticket sales. If UND is using less resources at the REA and giving them some significant weekends availability to make more revenue, than the conversation about UND keeping a larger portion of the ticket sales becomes much more palatable for both sides. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: I'm talking all ticket sales and the overall athletics budget. If REA can make money by having more open weekends, and thus not have to charge the university $2 million per year, that may be another reason (among a long list of reasons) to drop WIH. Kennedy said he met with REA and the Alerus to review the contracts and discuss ways to reduce cost and/or increase revenue to UND. I have no proof, but I would put forward a theory that REA told him how they could make more money (and thus charge UND less). It's a plausible theory and if true there needs to be some explaining done. Still my theory and from what I heard is that wasn't a big mitigating factor in this case. If it was a big component of cutting WH it would have been a topic on "Ellen" by now! .........now back to the 14 page twins spread. Quote
90siouxfan Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 Wonder if the GF Herald will run the nudie pics on page 3 or page 14? 1 1 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 90siouxfan said: Wonder if the GF Herald will run the nudie pics on page 3 or page 14? Centerfold 1 1 Quote
90siouxfan Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 Does the centerfold still have staples? Asking for a friend... 1 1 Quote
Shawn-O Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 It's been about four years since they've ran any nonsense article about uncle Izzy's Lounge and the throngs on U.S/Canadian women's hockey fans and the friendly back and forth, so that should be good for a page. Quote
UND-1 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 J.J. off the top rope. https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4411141-letter-womens-hockey-matter-economics 3 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, UND-1 said: J.J. off the top rope. https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4411141-letter-womens-hockey-matter-economics Will David Davidson respond again? Quote
Popular Post lawkota Posted March 2, 2018 Popular Post Posted March 2, 2018 Quote Jacobs should understand economics. Due to the economics surrounding print media, often the Herald is so skinny I have to look twice in my box to see it. 5 Quote
cberkas Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, UND-1 said: J.J. off the top rope. https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4411141-letter-womens-hockey-matter-economics The Twitter meltdown in 3......2......1...... Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 2 hours ago, UND-1 said: J.J. off the top rope. https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4411141-letter-womens-hockey-matter-economics You could make this argument to get rid of most collegiate athletic programs. It was the size of the deficit that doomed WH, not that it didn't make money. Most collegiate programs lose money. 3 Quote
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