GDT: North Dakota v. Richmond

[UND-FB-FAN]

9 minutes ago, homer said:

Missed opportunity with the students??  

What more do they need to understand how important they are?  $1000's of dollars were donated by fans like us to get them to the game.  Do they need rides next year too?  

I thought the students were great and based off Richmond's players and coaches reactions after the win, both groups making a point to come back and talk smack to the student sections, I'd say the students had plenty of fun during the game.  

 

Sounds good, but we know from the past that without wins, the students don't care.

UND can't lose home playoff games. They just can't. The atmosphere and positive consequences of a home playoff win would be so huge for UND's football program in many ways, including student attendance and energy. Fargo U doesn't lose at home in the playoffs; just saying because it's a recipe for crazy, positive fan support (including those bandwagon fans that we hate of NDSU). 

This loss will sting for awhile. Oh well, next year's expectations need to be national championship or bust. Conference title aspirations were the ceiling for 2016 and UND accomplished that; it is time for UND to aspire to be in Frisco next season. 

[brootgrizr]

You guys had a good season, sorry you didn't make it to the next tier.

[BigGame]

10 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

trick plays are for pussys and right now i thiink rudy is a pussy...first and ten, up 17, up 20 and your almost guaranteed a win, and you run a double reverse for minus seven yards...gutless call that bubba should fire him over...rudy and the special teams guy can back up and go back to minot and wherever you let free runners block punts....total garbage...give the ball to brady 40 times in this game and we win going away...

The point of those types of plays a lot of the time is to make the defense defend the entire field.  We don't have a deep threat to stretch the field and it is next to impossible to run against a defense that is stacked up to stop it.  I don't like the call personally but I get it, and you don't get it if you think UND is good enough up front to just line it up and run it on a good defense that is selling out to stop the run.  The swing passes that Studs kept making bad throws on yesterday sort of do the same thing. 

[bincitysioux]

I bet if that double reverse gained 15 yards that would be considered a great call.  If the flea flicker would have resulted in a 9 yard sack, it would have been a horrible call.

Fact is the team got beat in all three phases last night, in shocking fashion with such a big lead.  For the first time this season, the defense couldn't bail out the offense when it struggled.  #16 had a real bad game, but he wasn't the only one.

Special Teams have been a liability all season, and proved to be kryptonite in this game.

Devastating end to an otherwise extraordinary season.  Future looks bright.

[homer]

16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Sounds good, but we know from the past that without wins, the students don't care.

UND can't lose home playoff games. They just can't. The atmosphere and positive consequences of a home playoff win would be so huge for UND's football program in many ways, including student attendance and energy. Fargo U doesn't lose at home in the playoffs; just saying because it's a recipe for crazy, positive fan support (including those bandwagon fans that we hate of NDSU). 

This loss will sting for awhile. Oh well, next year's expectations need to be national championship or bust. Conference title aspirations were the ceiling for 2016 and UND accomplished that; it is time for UND to aspire to be in Frisco next season. 

Up until yesterday UND didn't lose playoff games at home either but it happens.  

Getting that many students to show up was a reward for the great season.  

Not breaking any news by saying without wins fans don't show up.  Look back 3 years for proof of that. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 minutes ago, bincitysioux said:

I bet if that double reverse gained 15 yards that would be considered a great call.  If the flea flicker would have resulted in a 9 yard sack, it would have been a horrible call.

Fact is the team got beat in all three phases last night, in shocking fashion with such a big lead.  For the first time this season, the defense couldn't bail out the offense when it struggled.  #16 had a real bad game, but he wasn't the only one.

Special Teams have been a liability all season, and proved to be kryptonite in this game.

Devastating end to an otherwise extraordinary season.  Future looks bright.

I completely agree with your assessment of "trick" plays - you take the good with the bad.

All three phases hurt UND yesterday, but special teams was the biggest culprit (missed FG, 4th down penalty, blocked punt). 

UND does have a tremendously bright future. 2017's expectations need to be national championship-like. I sure hope fan support continues to be like it was yesterday. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 minutes ago, homer said:

Up until yesterday UND didn't lose playoff games at home either but it happens.  

Getting that many students to show up was a reward for the great season.  

Not breaking any news by saying without wins fans don't show up.  Look back 3 years for proof of that. 

UND had never been in the FCS playoffs before, so no history there.

Yes, home playoff loses can happen. It just did yesterday. 

Still doesn't mean it isn't bad and very disappointing.  It is and it will hurt for awhile. 

UND will hopefully learn from this and be better for it. 

[UND-1]

8 minutes ago, bincitysioux said:

I bet if that double reverse gained 15 yards that would be considered a great call.  If the flea flicker would have resulted in a 9 yard sack, it would have been a horrible call.

Fact is the team got beat in all three phases last night, in shocking fashion with such a big lead.  For the first time this season, the defense couldn't bail out the offense when it struggled.  #16 had a real bad game, but he wasn't the only one.

Special Teams have been a liability all season, and proved to be kryptonite in this game.

Devastating end to an otherwise extraordinary season.  Future looks bright.

Can't run reverses against that defense.  He should know that.  Their linebackers are wide and pressure in.  Bad call.

[AJS]

10 minutes ago, BigGame said:

The point of those types of plays a lot of the time is to make the defense defend the entire field.  We don't have a deep threat to stretch the field and it is next to impossible to run against a defense that is stacked up to stop it.  I don't like the call personally but I get it, and you don't get it if you think UND is good enough up front to just line it up and run it on a good defense that is selling out to stop the run.  The swing passes that Studs kept making bad throws on yesterday sort of do the same thing. 

It's all situational. The definitely were good enough on the drive you were talking about, the were getting 7 yards running up the middle every single first down. They were in field goal range on first down when the call was made. I agree if running up the middle wasn't working, but it was. 

[fightingsioux4life]

11 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

My son is a current student. He pointed out what a missed opportunity it was.  Got a bunch of students to the game and interested. Could have built on the feeling that it was fun and that they contributed to a win. Move on in playoffs and raise fb's profile. 

If we keep winning games and getting high playoff seeds, the profile of the program will continue to rise. I am as sick about last night as anyone else here, but we have to keep looking at the big picture, people. Bubba has us going places......eventually one of those places will be Frisco, TX.

[Devils]

Terrible loss, no doubt it was a very deflated feeling walking out of the Alerus.  Even saw some adults crying.  It was my first football game since being in college 10 years ago (I now live 4 hours away) and the atmosphere was great and I'll be back.  Richmond's receivers were the difference I thought - they made great plays and UND's dropped 3 or 4 very catchable balls on the last couple drives.  Definitely seemed as though UND got tired on defense as the game wore on...Richmond started to run off tackle on us and our pass rush suffered.  One thing that caught my eye was that UND virtually never substituted on defense and I think that caught up to them as Richmond basically was doing whatever they wanted in the 4th quarter.  Hopefully we can continue to build depth as the program moves forward.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Devils said:

Terrible loss, no doubt it was a very deflated feeling walking out of the Alerus.  Even saw some adults crying.  It was my first football game since being in college 10 years ago (I now live 4 hours away) and the atmosphere was great and I'll be back.  Richmond's receivers were the difference I thought - they made great plays and UND's dropped 3 or 4 very catchable balls on the last couple drives.  Definitely seemed as though UND got tired on defense as the game wore on...Richmond started to run off tackle on us and our pass rush suffered.  One thing that caught my eye was that UND virtually never substituted on defense and I think that caught up to them as Richmond basically was doing whatever they wanted in the 4th quarter.  Hopefully we can continue to build depth as the program moves forward.

The D got tired because the offense stopped moving the ball and started going 3 and out over and over again. As for not subbing on defense, that is where building quality depth comes into play. Bubba and his staff haven't been here long enough to build up depth across the board. That is what they are working on right now.

[UND-1]

4 minutes ago, Devils said:

Terrible loss, no doubt it was a very deflated feeling walking out of the Alerus.  Even saw some adults crying.  It was my first football game since being in college 10 years ago (I now live 4 hours away) and the atmosphere was great and I'll be back.  Richmond's receivers were the difference I thought - they made great plays and UND's dropped 3 or 4 very catchable balls on the last couple drives.  Definitely seemed as though UND got tired on defense as the game wore on...Richmond started to run off tackle on us and our pass rush suffered.  One thing that caught my eye was that UND virtually never substituted on defense and I think that caught up to them as Richmond basically was doing whatever they wanted in the 4th quarter.  Hopefully we can continue to build depth as the program moves forward.

UND plays nine defensive lineman.  But same DBs play all game.

[UND-1]

Was told by source for all the people wondering about how we ran into the punter and why we came after it...we didn't.  It was Punt Safe.  

Not Kostichs fault.

[fightingsioux4life]

5 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Was told by source for all the people wondering about how we ran into the punter and why we came after it...we didn't.  It was Punt Safe.  

Not Kostichs fault.

I believe Mike Berg pointed that out on the radio.

[90siouxfan]

is there a video of the punt penalty

 

[geaux_sioux]

 

If Hunt would have tried to high point the ball it would have been an easy pick. The least he could have done is jumped into the WR and tried to swat the ball. He didn't contest the catch at all, went for an over the shoulder catch..... blows my mind.

[Irish]

Still smarting and frustrated - not as much by the loss as by the way we lost - I honestly expected more from the coaches.

What frustrates me about Rudolf is that during the season he would pound the rock against 9 in the box continually, but now the one time we were successful and needed to do that he went away from it at the worst time possible.  A really really crappy ending to a great season.  I hate to have this on my mind going into the off season.  

[sprig]

8 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Was told by source for all the people wondering about how we ran into the punter and why we came after it...we didn't.  It was Punt Safe.  

Not Kostichs fault.

Makes more sense than an all out attempt to block the punt in that situation. Bonehead play by whoever did it, then?

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

If Hunt would have tried to high point the ball it would have been an easy pick. The least he could have done is jumped into the WR and tried to swat the ball. He didn't contest the catch at all, went for an over the shoulder catch..... blows my mind.

Great.....now we have ESPN rubbing our noses in it. This is going to be a long, painful offseason.

PS: Trolls will get ZERO patience from me. Come on here and taunt us and you will be told off.

[HawkinNutts]

5 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Was told by source: for all the people wondering about how we ran into the punter and why we came after it...we didn't.  It was Punt Safe.  

Not Kostichs fault.

I agree the point block was not on. Clearly punt safe.  It is the ST coach's job to have the team understand that situation.  Safe punt should mean doing everything to guarantee the O gets the ball back.  #epicfail. Kid should know better too! 

[UND-1]

4 minutes ago, HawkinNutts said:

I agree the point block was not on. Clearly punt safe.  It is the ST coach's job to have the team understand that situation.  Safe punt should mean doing everything to guarantee the O gets the ball back.  #epicfail. Kid should know better too! 

Freshman tried to make a play.  didn't work out.  Sucks, but what do you do.

[Cratter]

We got three points off them turning it over on a punt.

They got three points off a punt turnover.

Was far from determining the game.

[Oxbow6]

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

We got three point off them turning it over on a punt.

They got three points off a punt turnover.

Was far from determining the game.

Roughing the punter penalty is essentially a turnover so make it 10 points for them.

[Cratter]

12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Roughing the punter penalty is essentially a turnover so make it 10 points for them.

Or if they didn't have the 50 yard pass at the end to set up the field goal. 

Giving the other team 15 yards play really is the same whether it happens in the first quarter or the last quarter. And whether a penalty or blown coverage makes no difference. What about the missed UND field goal or the 80 yard spider TD pass. Those equal or were worse than one play (und penalty) that gained them 15 yards. They still had to drive 70 yards to score after that penalty!