The Sicatoka Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 When UND went DI the then acting athletic director* (the man tasked with cleaning up Buning's mess) told the assembled coaches that things would be fine through the transition but that in 8 to 10 years a couple of them would be gone as it makes no sense nor is fiscally viable for a DI UND to be supporting 21 programs. *Love him or hate him, I personally do miss Phil Harmeson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: When UND went DI the then acting athletic director* (the man tasked with cleaning up Buning's mess) told the assembled coaches that things would be fine through the transition but that in 8 to 10 years a couple of them would be gone as it makes no sense nor is fiscally viable for a DI UND to be supporting 21 programs. *Love him or hate him, I personally do miss Phil Harmeson. What is the minimum number of programs for DI? Does our neighbors (NDSU, USD, SDSU, Montana, MSU) have 21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 20 hours ago, darell1976 said: What is the minimum number of programs for DI? Does our neighbors (NDSU, USD, SDSU, Montana, MSU) have 21? Someone else said 14 is the minimum earlier. By my count it's: ndsu - 16, USD - 17, SDSU - 21, Montana - 15, MSU - 15, and UND - 21 but will have 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On 4/23/2016 at 11:10 PM, UNDBIZ said: Schafer has said multiple times that UND doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. ............if only Kelley would have been half the president Clifford was. Can't lead without setting a tone of accountability at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 30 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Someone else said 14 is the minimum earlier. By my count ndsu has 16, USD has 17, SDSU has 21, Montana has 15, MSU has 15, and UND has 21 but will have 19. So UND could cut as much as 5 more programs and still be DI compliant that's good, that we aren't close to that number but 21 seems like a lot especially when our rivals are in the 15-17 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: *Love him or hate him, I personally do miss Phil Harmeson. Huh?... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 5 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: Someone else said 14 is the minimum earlier. By my count ndsu has 16, USD has 17, SDSU has 21, Montana has 15, MSU has 15, and UND has 21 but will have 19. Counting indoor and outdoor track and field as two separate sports, the minimum is 16. NDSU is currently at the minimum, and thus can't cut any sports. Not sure about the other schools mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, NDSU grad said: Counting indoor and outdoor track and field as two separate sports, the minimum is 16. NDSU is currently at the minimum, and thus can't cut any sports. Not sure about the other schools mentioned. 16 is the minimum of FBS. Also must have 200 scholarships for FBS. 14 is the minimum for FCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said: 16 is the minimum of FBS. Also must have 200 scholarships for FBS. 14 is the minimum for FCS. 200 scholarships? What are we at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 6 hours ago, UNDvince97-01 said: Huh?... Not "miss" as in dead, but I miss his business sense in Twamley Hall. It's a good thing Ed Schafer is in Twamley now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said: 16 is the minimum of FBS. Also must have 200 scholarships for FBS. 14 is the minimum for FCS. Isn't the scholarship minimum specification 200 scholarships or at least $4 million on scholarships? Assume UND fully funded in FB, MH, WH, MBB, WBB (63, 18, 18, 11, 13?) so there's 120+. For some reason the number 188 for UND is in my head but I'm not on the right computer right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 3:34 PM, UNDBIZ said: Here's the athletics budget info from the 2013-14 school year. http://www.undsports.com/fls/13500/Athletic%20Dept/BusOps/FY%202014%20NCAA%20AUP.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=13500 17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Isn't the scholarship minimum specification 200 scholarships or at least $4 million on scholarships? Assume UND fully funded in FB, MH, WH, MBB, WBB (63, 18, 18, 11, 13?) so there's 120+. For some reason the number 188 for UND is in my head but I'm not on the right computer right now. According to this (page 25), we were at $3.9 million and over 200 scholarships 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas_Sioux Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 On April 21, 2016 at 2:45 PM, ericpnelson said: I think our alpine skiing team is gonna have a practice facility issue That'd get to be a long ride to practice up at wallhalla or Bemidji. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Isn't the scholarship minimum specification 200 scholarships or at least $4 million on scholarships? Assume UND fully funded in FB, MH, WH, MBB, WBB (63, 18, 18, 11, 13?) so there's 120+. For some reason the number 188 for UND is in my head but I'm not on the right computer right now. How many scholarships is swimming/diving and volleyball? That may put us over the 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 18 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: When UND went DI the then acting athletic director* (the man tasked with cleaning up Buning's mess) told the assembled coaches that things would be fine through the transition but that in 8 to 10 years a couple of them would be gone as it makes no sense nor is fiscally viable for a DI UND to be supporting 21 programs. *Love him or hate him, I personally do miss Phil Harmeson. That same man was the one who pushed hard for Buning's hire, along with TOK. They both made damn sure that Bollinger didn't get the job and thus hired the disaster that was Buning. Essentially, Phil was cleaning up his own mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 7 hours ago, darell1976 said: How many scholarships is swimming/diving and volleyball? That may put us over the 200. http://lmgtfy.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 56 minutes ago, petey23 said: http://lmgtfy.com/ But it is just easier to ask.... For 2014-2015, UND had 104.3 men's scholarships (including 0.5 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $2.1 million and 104.3 women's scholarships (including 3.5 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $2.2 million for a total of 208.6 scholarships distributed to 313 athletes worth $4,272,018. Dropping baseball and golf removes 5.6 scholarships and $118K from those totals. For comparison, in 2013-2014, UND had 105 men's scholarships (including 0.75 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $2.0 million and 104.6 women's scholarships (including 6.9 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $1.9 million for a total of 209.6 scholarships distributed to 326 athletes worth $3,883.398. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, jdub27 said: But it is just easier to ask.... For 2014-2015, UND had 104.3 men's scholarships (including 0.5 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $2.1 million and 104.3 women's scholarships (including 3.5 of exhausted/medical/other) valued at $2.2 million for a total of 208.6 scholarships distributed to 313 athletes worth $4,272,018. Dropping baseball and golf removes 5.6 scholarships and $118K from those totals. Would people probably agree now that cutting those two was the easy way out and really didn't achieve what Schafer has been preaching? Schafer has told everyone that major, deep cuts are being done now to get the University back in line with it's mission/finances, etc. Apparently, that was only true for the rest of campus or he would have told them to cut more sports or at least one's with a budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, UND-1 said: Would people probably agree now that cutting those two was the easy way out and really didn't achieve what Schafer has been preaching? Schafer has told everyone that major, deep cuts are being done now to get the University back in line with it's mission/finances, etc. Apparently, that was only true for the rest of campus or he would have told them to cut more sports or at least one's with a budget. Schafer is saving $700k a year, in perpetuity, by cutting golf and baseball. How is that not in line with what he has been "preaching"? I doubt that is all they will be doing in regard to the athletic department. They have probably saved 250 - 300K by not canning Jones, which they may have done if we didn't have a budget issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 minute ago, nodak651 said: Schafer is saving $700k a year, in perpetuity, by cutting golf and baseball. How is that not in line with what he has been "preaching"? Because he needs another 1.5 million (roughly) next year that he kicked onto Mark Kennedy. Cut it all now and be done like he is trying to do with the rest of the campus. He is pushing this "do it the right way...now" philosophy, which is outstanding. But even he is scared to kick out the big elephant in the corner of the room and hides behind Title IX. Cutting 700K from those two sports is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, UND-1 said: Because he needs another 1.5 million (roughly) next year that he kicked onto Mark Kennedy. Cut it all now and be done like he is trying to do with the rest of the campus. He is pushing this "do it the right way...now" philosophy, which is outstanding. But even he is scared to kick out the big elephant in the corner of the room and hides behind Title IX. Cutting 700K from those two sports is a start. Well then, I fixed your post. Are you upset that that they cut baseball, or that they didn't cut baseball + more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 2 hours ago, nodak651 said: Schafer is saving $700k a year, in perpetuity, by cutting golf and baseball. How is that not in line with what he has been "preaching"? I doubt that is all they will be doing in regard to the athletic department. They have probably saved 250 - 300K by not canning Jones, which they may have done if we didn't have a budget issue. Is it really saving 700k when that is what its going to cost for FCOA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, bison73 said: Is it really saving 700k when that is what its going to cost for FCOA? FCOA was already accounted for in the budget (which also includes increased revenue)..... so yes. Good luck on the increased fee requests to pay for ndsu's FCOA..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said: FCOA was already accounted for in the budget (which also includes increased revenue)..... so yes. Good luck on the increased fee requests to pay for ndsu's FCOA..... Remember, you're talking to someone who went to a school were budgets and projections obviously aren't taught. When are the final proposals due for the mandated cuts? UND has been very open and upfront about what they are planning on doing, not so much for other NDUS schools outside of delaying funding, hiring freezes and kicking the can down the road. Very curious to see where the NDSU athletic department is trimming their budget since, as you noted, the students obviously foiled plan A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 maybe we should pump the brakes a bit? http://www.oilfieldjobfinder.com/oil-boom-headed-for-north-dakota/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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