The Sicatoka Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Will the State Board of Higher Ed look into this? Getting noticed in "Inside Higher Ed" like this hurts NDSU and the whole NDUS system. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty-issues/diversity-equity/2023/10/02/ndsu-firing-reopens-old-wound-regarding-treatment https://www.inforum.com/opinion/letters/letter-ndsus-dismissal-of-bilen-green-follows-a-pattern-of-poor-treatment-of-women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Only way to solve this is to start ladies hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Lots of hoops. Lots of questions about funding and did NDUS approve. https://www.ndsu.edu/tuition-award-program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: Lots of hoops. Lots of questions about funding and did NDUS approve. https://www.ndsu.edu/tuition-award-program so how in the heck are they gonna afford this? i thought they were bleeding cash, and needed to cut back? is the cost going to be passed on to the other students, residents, staff cuts, lower wages for profesors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: Lots of hoops. Lots of questions about funding and did NDUS approve. https://www.ndsu.edu/tuition-award-program Guessing this is how they are trying to compete with MN Schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, 1972 said: so how in the heck are they gonna afford this? Really good question. In Minnesota, the legislature covered it. Concordia is private, so no concern there. NDSU is a state funded agency. I haven't seen anything on any SBoHE agendas or minutes that approve something like that, so that is pretty interesting. Wonder how this plays into the funding formula as well? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Lots of hoops. Lots of questions about funding and did NDUS approve. https://www.ndsu.edu/tuition-award-program Remember they do as they please not as they are required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said: Guessing this is how they are trying to compete with MN Schools Free for some and far more for other families - the GREAT wealth transfer machine marches on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Now will UND do something similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 Good luck to UND when your neighbor is giving away $10k to attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Cratter said: Good luck to UND when your neighbor is giving away $10k to attend. Pretty soon we'll be paying people not to work..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Pretty soon we'll be paying people not to work..... Pretty soon??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 When you read the details there are many hoops. And this is a gap fill program, meaning just what other grants or scholarships don’t cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: When you read the details there are many hoops. And this is a gap fill program, meaning just what other grants or scholarships don’t cover. Yes - same as the Minnesota program, but they are all paid by the same tax payers. Let's look at a family of 3: At one wage: $0.00 and another family exceeding some income limit will have a minimum of $80,000 per child. Or a total bill of $240,000 to receive the same public services. Assuming that you are planning appropriately you have around 15 years to prepare for this and you required to put away an extra $16,000 annually. Not all of us have GF Hockey money. IMO, attending college should be more of a flat rate for all attending and tuition should be more in line with future wages earned. Instead, it is simply another wealth transfer program. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 "Perception is Reality." If anything NDSU is getting a nice PR bump with headlines like this throughout the entire region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: When you read the details there are many hoops. And this is a gap fill program, meaning just what other grants or scholarships don’t cover. Yeah, a gap fill until NDSU can say they are growing in students and UND isn’t, rather than vice versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Surely UND will not stand idle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Pretty soon we'll be paying people not to work..... Fired college and professional coaches have been paid not to work for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/student-costs-tuition-waivers-increasing-on-north-dakota-campuses Tuition increases, tuition waivers, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 So NDSU grants $10 million more than UND in tuition waviers, has a budget mess, and then received $5 million from the state with no strings attached, correct? "In 2022-2023, NDSU granted more than $22 million in partial and full waivers benefitting more than 5,600 students. UND granted just over $12 million in those waivers, benefitting nearly 2,000 students." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 In fairness, and because media isn't always fair nor accurate, were these waivers to students and the cost covered by State/NDSU funds or by outside (NDSU Alumni) sources? Who's paying the actual costs. Then again, if NDSU Alumni covered the costs wouldn't that be "scholarships" not waivers so maybe there's the answer. If it's $10M in waivers by NDSU (to arguably buy students) that's a really big number compared to UND even if you include UND's Alston funding and should be considered in the light, as stated, namely "So NDSU grants $10 million more than UND in tuition waviers, has a budget mess, and then received $5 million from the state with no strings attached." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: In fairness, and because media isn't always fair nor accurate, were these waivers to students and the cost covered by State/NDSU funds or by outside (NDSU Alumni) sources? Who's paying the actual costs. Then again, if NDSU Alumni covered the costs wouldn't that be "scholarships" not waivers so maybe there's the answer. If it's $10M in waivers by NDSU (to arguably buy students) that's a really big number compared to UND even if you include UND's Alston funding and should be considered in the light, as stated, namely "So NDSU grants $10 million more than UND in tuition waviers, has a budget mess, and then received $5 million from the state with no strings attached." Waivers are reductions in revenue. There is no donation associated with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: Waivers are reductions in revenue. There is no donation associated with them. But the university still gets credit in the state funding formula as there is no differentiator in regards to enrollment count in said formula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, jdub27 said: But the university still gets credit in the state funding formula as there is no differentiator in regards to enrollment count in said formula? I'd hope the formula would account for waivered students differently than full tuition students* when it comes to enrollment/credit hours/headcount numbers. If not, why not waiver in a bunch of kids to jack up the funding formula data in your favor. *be they scholarship or out of pocket they're still paying costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 15 hours ago, jdub27 said: But the university still gets credit in the state funding formula as there is no differentiator in regards to enrollment count in said formula? Correct. No change in state funding for credits the institution is charging reduced or no tuition and fees for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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