gundy1124 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 My belief is that - if the player is living up to his part of the deal (grades, behavior, practice habits) - then his/her scholarship should be honored for 4 years. It's not the kid's fault if the staff made a mistake on the player's potential (or if he/she got beaten out by a better player).Your belief has an educational mind set. I think myself and others have a business mindset in that performance matters. Scholarships are a tool to increase talent and performance on the field. The coaching staff is judged off of the team's performance. I don't know what's going to happen, but my understanding is Keaton is 1, Hiedlbaugh is 2, and it would be nice to have 1 senior QB around to mentor and be ready for action, but I don't see burning a full ride on it. And, I don't see a 4th QB, senior, in this scenario making sense with a full ride.I didn't mean to start a tizzy, and I am not heartless......as I actually have a lot of interest and share some commonalities with the better of the 2 Senior QBs. The one that has mechanics and a rifle for an arm, who was shooting darts against Montana last year before he was hurt. But, it's obvious the staff and him are not on the same page, so own it and do what's best for the team.We can have different opinions on this site, right? If nobody was on scholarship, or if everyone had a full, keep them both. But, that's not the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Mollberg to LB? He was a really good HS LBI'd say TE if anything, more receiving than blocking, but could do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I could see Bartels transferring to a smaller school closer to home maybe. Don't know his situation really but he was wearing a Bears Cutler jersey today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'd say TE if anything, more receiving than blocking, but could do both.Blake Bell role from Oklahoma last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie82 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Your belief has an educational mind set. I think myself and others have a business mindset in that performance matters. Scholarships are a tool to increase talent and performance on the field. The coaching staff is judged off of the team's performance. I don't know what's going to happen, but my understanding is Keaton is 1, Hiedlbaugh is 2, and it would be nice to have 1 senior QB around to mentor and be ready for action, but I don't see burning a full ride on it. And, I don't see a 4th QB, senior, in this scenario making sense with a full ride.I didn't mean to start a tizzy, and I am not heartless......as I actually have a lot of interest and share some commonalities with the better of the 2 Senior QBs. The one that has mechanics and a rifle for an arm, who was shooting darts against Montana last year before he was hurt. But, it's obvious the staff and him are not on the same page, so own it and do what's best for the team.We can have different opinions on this site, right? If nobody was on scholarship, or if everyone had a full, keep them both. But, that's not the reality.For sure we can have different opinions and discuss them in a friendly way! You're right that my belief has an educational mindset. I'm not a fan of the business mindset seeping into the educational system. You certainly aren't heartless for approaching this problem this way, nor am I a patsy... both approaches have their merit. The next beer is on me at the tailgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I could see Bartels transferring to a smaller school closer to home maybe. Don't know his situation really but he was wearing a Bears Cutler jersey today do you think he's transferring to Chicago? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 do you think he's transferring to Chicago? Thanks in advance.I mean the Bears could use a QB.... you're welcome smart ass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I mean the Bears could use a QB.... you're welcome smart asshaha he is draft eligible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Da Bears waived Jimmy Clausen today... it's all coming together now... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) For sure we can have different opinions and discuss them in a friendly way! You're right that my belief has an educational mindset. I'm not a fan of the business mindset seeping into the educational system. You certainly aren't heartless for approaching this problem this way, nor am I a patsy... both approaches have their merit. The next beer is on me at the tailgate.For sure on the beer!!I think it will be interesting how this staff approaches some roster decisions. We definitely have an interesting situation at QB. As consultants you manage player relations and I'll handle the salary cap.........and we'll see how Bubba manages both. Edited November 23, 2015 by gundy1124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Bubba has a job to do. To keep his own job.To put the best players on the field and win games.To do that he might have to spread out scholarships that some might not agree with. Edited November 24, 2015 by Cratter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Guy Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Bubba has a job to do. To keep his own job.To put the best players on the field and win games.To do that he might have to spread out scholarships that some might not agree with.players need to play better and coaches need to coach better to win the Big Sky. Its not just about spreading scholarhips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) players need to play better and coaches need to coach better to win the Big Sky. Its not just about spreading scholarhips.Only thing you left out is:"Coaches need to get better players.".......And that is also one of the keys to winning a National Championship.My sights are way above a Big Sky Championship...That's way to easy to win.Actually the more I think about it winning a Big Sky Championship might be harder to win than a Natty. Edited November 24, 2015 by Cratter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Only thing you left out is:"Coaches need to get better players."And that is happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Siouxperman8 Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 Again, I hope Bubba doesn't share your attitude. Last I checked, all scholarshipped athletes signed letters of intent with the University of North Dakota, not Chris Mussman or Bubba Schweigert. Personally, I'd be disappointed in my alma mater and its coaches if they didn't honor their commitments to the athletes the university recruits, as long as the athletes remain committed to it. And if success or failure for North Dakota football rides on honoring two scholarships, we've got much bigger issues.100% agree. Word gets around in recruiting when coaches pull scholarships from guys like Mollberg and Bartels. UND made a commitment to those two and they have been good teammates, students and citizens from everything I have heard. They also have both been starters within the last 1.5 seasons. I would be very surprised if Bubba did that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Guy Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Only thing you left out is:"Coaches need to get better players.".......And that is also one of the keys to winning a National Championship.My sights are way above a Big Sky Championship...That's way to easy to win.Actually the more I think about it winning a Big Sky Championship might be harder to win than a Natty.Good coaching creates better players. And yes, winning Big Sky is a tall task. You win that, winning a Natty will be easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) That really stings. We did it to ourselves and in a very painful manner - and in my opinion coaches share a lot of the blame Edited November 24, 2015 by Irish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Good coaching creates better players. Good players also creates better coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Good players also creates better coaches.Good coaching attracts better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Good coaching attracts better players.If those scholarship aren't tied up in people that wont ever see the field. Edited November 24, 2015 by Cratter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 i'm not sure what point has been made in the last 20+ posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Take a few more (if any) college classes. Edited November 24, 2015 by Cratter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 100% agree. Word gets around in recruiting when coaches pull scholarships from guys like Mollberg and Bartels. UND made a commitment to those two and they have been good teammates, students and citizens from everything I have heard. They also have both been starters within the last 1.5 seasons. I would be very surprised if Bubba did that.or, you could look at it as football roster tenure, creating an atmosphere of complacency. I never said it is easy, I never said these guys were bad teammates or students, what I am saying is I would like a shot at the next Ratelle or Reyes by having money available. I am not trying to offend anyone, this goes for any player on the roster not holding up their end of the deal, and part of that deal is being on the field. If Ja'won Arrinton was a junior I suppose some here would want him to stay another year on a full ride..........not me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndamukong_sioux Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Everyone needs to relax. No one's scholarship is going to get cut/reduced until after spring ball, which is months away. The off season just started for gods sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Guy Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Good players also creates better coaches.if a coach is relying on players to make themselves better...i say that coach is in the wrong profession. I hope you are joking. Please tell me you are joking. Good players also creates better coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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