ClassB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 he did a great job of saying things like "yeah we take those things into consideration, SOS, w-l, quality wins, quality losses" to every question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Jack finally brings up the Big question on what quality wins East Illinois had and then never asked for an answer. Very disappointing. A very vanilla interview. Jack really let him off the hook. The whole thing really stinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I don't know if thats fair to Jack, this should have been an hour interview. Also, if I had pissed off the RRV like Mark did, I don't know if I would agree to more than a 20 minutes segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 email from UND guyUND guy: 7 wins, FBS, win over portland state (seeded), why are we not in?Mark: we look at wins and losses of teams won and lost against, multiple 7 win teams were considered and left out... yadda yadda yadda They did not have the votes at the end of the day.Dan: why EIU over UND? seems like thats whats bothering UND fansMark: UND had a couple of great wins, but had a couple of bad losses. EIU didn't have any bad losses. we do have one tool in toolbox, SRS, if i recall WIU and EIU were tracking ahead of UND. We really look at quality wins, losses, and SOS. This is wrong. UND had only ONE bad loss (Idaho State). The other three loses all came to winning teams, including two FCS playoff teams (NDSU and Montana). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Jack finally brings up the Big question on what quality wins East Illinois had and then never asked for an answer. Very disappointing. A very vanilla interview. Jack really let him off the hook. The whole thing really stinks.^^^^^^^ This. They should have let Pinto do the interview. He wasn't scared to ask any question. Or keep it open to the phone lines like you said you were going to do. I had called in to ask the same question Westside had e-mailed and oddly enough they only took two phone calls from Bison fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Here's the thing, aren't quality wins and bad losses inherently built into the SRS? The more I think about it, set the threshold at 7, go down the list, open it up to the top 6 W teams if necessary, and call it a day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassB Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 This is wrong. UND had only ONE bad loss (Idaho State). The other three loses all came to winning teams, including two FCS playoff teams (NDSU and Montana). True. Last years loss to Weber was bad. While this one hurt bad and didn't sit well, it was to a team over .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Here's the thing, aren't quality wins and bad losses inherently built into the SRS? The more I think about it, set the threshold at 7, go down the list, open it up to the top 6 W teams if necessary, and call it a day. Committee chairman couldn't even answer what is a quality win and what is a quality loss so they should start by clearly defining those for the committee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risky Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 In fairness to Jack, I would guess the only way the guy came on to do the interview was with the understanding Jack wasn't going to get down and dirty. Jack should of laid out the comparison of the schedules of UND and Eastern Illinois more clearly so the guy would of had a harder time defended their decision. I am sure he would have just thrown some vague reasons to support their decision. It would of just been BS. He definitely got off easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodacker Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The fact that fcs uses srs just shows how clueless they are. Using such a basic model in the fcs where many different levels of opponents are played and to try and use it to look back and analyze a season means they just do not understand it. I know it shouldn't surprise me they don't understand the metrics they use for these decisions but it does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 In fairness to Jack, I would guess the only way the guy came on to do the interview was with the understanding Jack wasn't going to get down and dirty. Jack should of laid out the comparison of the schedules of UND and Eastern Illinois more clearly so the guy would of had a harder time defended their decision. I am sure he would have just thrown some vague reasons to support their decision. It would of just been BS. He definitely got off easy.7 wins each, EIU>UND in the SRS, no head-to-head, no common opponents, case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodacker Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Here's the thing, aren't quality wins and bad losses inherently built into the SRS? The more I think about it, set the threshold at 7, go down the list, open it up to the top 6 W teams if necessary, and call it a day. Kind of. Srs really takes two things into account. How many points you win or lose by and how many points your opponents win or lose by. It's not a good tool to retroactively look back and analyze a season with. And the only thing that matters is how much you win by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 7 wins each, EIU>UND in the SRS, no head-to-head, no common opponents, case closed. 7 wins each, UND>UNH in the SRS, no head-to-head, no common opponents. Meh, let's go with UNH instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 7 wins each, UND>UNH in the SRS, no head-to-head, no common opponents. Meh, let's go with UNH instead. Yes! That's the more difficult box to get out of! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 In fairness to Jack, I would guess the only way the guy came on to do the interview was with the understanding Jack wasn't going to get down and dirty. Jack should of laid out the comparison of the schedules of UND and Eastern Illinois more clearly so the guy would of had a harder time defended their decision. I am sure he would have just thrown some vague reasons to support their decision. It would of just been BS. He definitely got off easy.You can look at that schedule and make a decent case. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/2197/eastern-illinois-panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 They keep saying we had 2 bad losses. We did have 2 heartbreaking losses. A bad loss was Idaho State. Weber State was 6and 5. Weber State was a tough loss. Their is a difference between a bad loss and a tough loss. No wonder this committee is being questioned. The committee chair was all over the board with inconsistencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 They keep saying we had 2 bad losses. We did have 2 heartbreaking losses. A bad loss was Idaho State. Weber State was 6and 5. Weber State was a tough loss. Their is a difference between a bad loss and a tough loss. No wonder this committee is being questioned. The committee chair was all over the board with inconsistencies.59-7 in Fargo wasn't a bad loss I guess? Not according to Wilson. WIU didn't have any bad losses. Yeah, this one bothers me as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Risky Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 I think we are all missing the big picture. They can justify any decision any way they want. They did NOT want UND in the playoffs and he wanted Eastern Illinois from his own conference in. That is all it really came down too. Everything else is a smoke screen. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodacker Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 It also bothers me that he would come on a North Dakota radio station to talk about this and be so utterly unprepared with his answers. Just giving generic "we look at wins and losses and they didn't have the votes" answer is completely unacceptable. Say und didn't get in because their SRS wasn't as high. It makes them seem so incompetent coming on and having zero answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 It also bothers me that he would come on a North Dakota radio station to talk about this and be so utterly unprepared with his answers. Just giving generic "we look at wins and losses and they didn't have the votes" answer is completely unacceptable. Say und didn't get in because their SRS wasn't as high. It makes them seem so incompetent coming on and having zero answers. He can't. UNH got in at #40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 It also bothers me that he would come on a North Dakota radio station to talk about this and be so utterly unprepared with his answers. Just giving generic "we look at wins and losses and they didn't have the votes" answer is completely unacceptable. Say und didn't get in because their SRS wasn't as high. It makes them seem so incompetent coming on and having zero answers. He couldn't say that because its higher than New Hampshires. He specifically say SOS because ours is likely tougher than EIU.He can't specifically say anything about quality wins because we have more than EIU.He can't specifically say anything about D1 wins because we have more than WIU.But, we did not apparently have the quality losses other teams had. That has been specifically mentioned since Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawkota Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Bottom line is UND could have ended this debate by holding on to a 16 point, 3rd quarter lead at home against the worst team in the Big Sky. Edited November 24, 2015 by lawkota 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Bottom line is UND could have made this matter moot by holding on to a 16 point, 3rd quarter lead at home against the worst team in the Big Sky.Sure they could have but they still put themselves in position at the end of the year to be in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 We all know we shouldn't have blown those leads but that isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about the end result of our schedule and why the corrupt committee didn't do their job at the end of the season. Even though we lost those leads we should of been in. Hands down.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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