College Hockey Expansion

[petey23]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

once again why wouldn't it?

UND and Denver are not going to want to water down the hockey conference they are in.

WMU and Miami are not going to move to the Summit and ASU certainly would not. Add nothing to the Summit.

CC, SCSU, and UMD are all staying in conference. Add nothing to The Summit.

Why would it?

[nodak651]

8 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

you make it sound like no other conference has affiliates? if you don't like the terms the affiliates are being offered?  hit the bricks CC and jan brady state

fenton will take are of these issues...easy stuff.

 

Clearly you didn't read my post..  CAA put fb games on Flo and used streaming rev to buy air time for 20 bb games on CBSSN.  Nothing for FB.

[nodak651]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

according to who?

Schlossman.  Heard of him?

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, petey23 said:

UND and Denver are not going to want to water down the hockey conference they are in.

WMU and Miami are not going to move to the Summit and ASU certainly would not. Add nothing to the Summit.

CC, SCSU, and UMD are all staying in conference. Add nothing to The Summit.

Why would it?

nchc has 8 schools with 2 total dogs in cc and miami...

they actually water down the conference...adding st thomas and asu boosts the conference...

[SIOUXFAN97]

Just now, nodak651 said:

Schlossman.  Heard of him?

yeah...peddles a lot in fake news

[FSSD]

3 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

The only switch that will happen is

MIAMI out to CCHA

ASU in to NCHC

That's the only realistic change in the 5 to likely 10 year future.

NCHC under summit or a summit league is not going to happen, it would be foolish and absolutely not in the best interest of UND DU or UMD....  and frankly that's who matter and swing the biggest..... sticks.

Out past 10 years from now.. who knows, that all depends on the growth of D1 programs in the west, and a different conversation.

UND etc, isn't going to allow the NCHC to be watered down into an afterthought sport in a plucky low level also-ran league like the summit is in the grand scheme.

It's not happening, foolish to take it seriously.

UMD is not a big stick..  St. Thomas would be a big stick.

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Clearly you didn't read my post..  CAA put fb games on Flo and used streaming rev to buy air time for 20 bb games on CBSSN.  Nothing for FB.

fenton>Joe D'Antonio

[nodak651]

3 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

yeah...peddles a lot in fake news

lol.  I actually think Summit hockey merits discussion and I think it could eventually happen but you might be the first person I block.

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, FSSD said:

UMD is not a big stick..  St. Thomas would be a big stick.

exactly...for frozen4sioux to ignore the fact taht st thomas will be in the nchc/summit hockey league soon is laughable.....

[fightingsioux4life]

29 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

exactly...for frozen4sioux to ignore the fact taht st thomas will be in the nchc/summit hockey league soon is laughable.....

I am with you on St. Thomas. Summit hockey.....not so much.

Miami and WMU to the CCHA, St. Thomas and Arizona State to the NCHC would position the NCHC well for the future.

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I am with you on St. Thomas. Summit hockey.....not so much.

Miami and WMU to the CCHA, St. Thomas and Arizona State to the NCHC would position the NCHC well for the future.

and trade cc for AF..haha

[fightingsioux4life]

5 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

and trade cc for AF..haha

The Vikings have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than this ever happening.

[petey23]

46 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

nchc has 8 schools with 2 total dogs in cc and miami...

they actually water down the conference...adding st thomas and asu boosts the conference...

Arizona State was 9 spots behind CC and 5 spots ahead of Miami last season.

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, petey23 said:

Arizona State was 9 spots behind CC and 5 spots ahead of Miami last season.

large sample size

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, petey23 said:

Arizona State was 9 spots behind CC and 5 spots ahead of Miami last season.

During the 2018-2019 hockey season, Coach Powers and his staff led the Sun Devils to become the fastest start-up program to qualify for the NCAA Division 1 Tournament in NCAA History. The Sun Devils finished the season ranked 10th in the Pairwise rankings

[cberkas]

3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

why wouldn't the summit schools want this?  

Same reason that the B1G hockey teams are saying they get no support from the B1G.

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

Same reason that the B1G hockey teams are saying they get no support from the B1G.

Hmm  not sure I agree with the comparison.

BIG - Football, Basketball, Hockey/Baseball

Summit League - Hockey, Basketball....

Attendance comparisons between basketball and hockey are not close

Summit League	Teams	Games	Total Attendance	Avg Attendance
Basketball	10	147	265,327	1,805
NCHC Hockey	8	155	858,927	5,541

I don't think the Summit League Conference is going to put Hockey on the back burner.  I think this about schools that share Summit League and NCHC being able to leverage Branding efforts.  The top 3 programs in the NCHC are Summit League.  Those schools with major objections better start putting some more efforts in their programs.  Because the drop-off is steep.  And when St. Thomas joins the NCHC that is going to be top four programs.  St. Thomas in the NCHC is a no brainer and the benefits will be mutual.

[rochsioux]

5 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

first of all what does it matter.......it's just a name change if no one comes or goes so you save money and raise national awareness/street cred

second...they are already in the Summit League ffs

Summit league = street cred ? 

[jdub27]

8 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

NCHC under summit or a summit league is not going to happen, it would be foolish and absolutely not in the best interest of UND DU or UMD....  and frankly that's who matter and swing the biggest..... sticks.

You actually have it completely backwards. It's being discussed because single sport conferences are going to lose their seat at the table to talk about anything. It would be foolish to not at least explore moving the NCHC under an all sport umbrella if they want to have any sort of voice going forward.

[Frozen4sioux]

This might be the stupidest conversation these boards have seen in years.

 

St. Thomas is a minimum of 10 years away from being a NCHC addidtion consideration. 

And by that time there's going to be a completely different world in the  college hockey landscape.

[petey23]

19 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

This might be the stupidest conversation these boards have seen in years.

 

St. Thomas is a minimum of 10 years away from being a NCHC addidtion consideration. 

And by that time there's going to be a completely different world in the  college hockey landscape.

Correct.

Question for the rest. If you want the NCHC under the Summit Banner and St. Thomas moves all their programs besides Football and Hockey to the Big East do you still want them as an affiliate member of the Summit?

[The Sicatoka]

41 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

You actually have it completely backwards. It's being discussed because single sport conferences are going to lose their seat at the table to talk about anything. It would be foolish to not at least explore moving the NCHC under an all sport umbrella if they want to have any sort of voice going forward.

This is reality. The single sport conference seat at the table goes away. B1G and ECAC became only hockey legislation sponsors. Not good to my eyes. 

[The Sicatoka]

38 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

This might be the stupidest conversation these boards have seen in years.

 

St. Thomas is a minimum of 10 years away from being a NCHC addidtion consideration. 

And by that time there's going to be a completely different world in the  college hockey landscape.

Say Miami and WMU announce departure, who do you backfill with? ASU is easy; I’d take DI Summit StT over MSU-M to get MSP toehold.

 I’ll worry about StT going to BEast in a decade or more. 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:

St. Thomas is a minimum of 10 years away from being a NCHC addidtion consideration. 

Based on what? 

They have geography and money in their favor with facilities on the way. 

Didn't take them long to be competitive in other sports and with the backing they have, it would pretty naive to say they are all that far off from anything.

[FSSD]

49 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

This might be the stupidest conversation these boards have seen in years.

 

St. Thomas is a minimum of 10 years away from being a NCHC addidtion consideration. 

And by that time there's going to be a completely different world in the  college hockey landscape.

By different landscape, are you saying new P5 schools starting hockey and NIL.  I think NIL/transfer portal is the one thing that is going to be the equalizer for St. Thomas.  Alumni are very motived to compete with the Gophs at the national level in hockey.  You say 10 years, No - they will be ready sooner than that.  If Mankato St. can build a program for the bottom of the WCHA to national ranked in 5 years.  I think St. Thomas can too.  The team that hits the ice in 2025 (4th year) for St. Thomas is going to be ready to play.  NOTE:  It took ASU 3 years to make the NCAA Playoffs.

"With the help of a $75 million donation, the University of St. Thomas will build a new arena for hockey and basketball to be ready for the 2025 athletic seasons." The entire project is projected to cost $175 million in total.