jdub27 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I am not willing to call for Faison's job over this. The before/after picture of what was going on in the athletic department prior to his arrival here speaks for itself. That being said, for Faison to accept a two road game deal in Fargo would make my blood boil to a point that it becomes too difficult to put into words. A two road game FCS deal. Not even a two for one at home? Nobody offers that. Nobody accepts that. In the NFL they talk about respecting the shield. Well goddammit, it is about time someone started respecting the Kelly Green and White (if we can no longer do so for the old logo). You do not devalue your program by agreeing to such unprecedentedly lopsided terms. Someone earlier referred to "whoring" out the program, and making the UND program their "bitch", and that's exactly what it is. It would be nothing more than a walk of shame down I-94 for those two games and then staring at a phone that ain't ringing. And then you know what happens? Every other program believes they could ask the same thing from you because you know what? You did it once...you'll do it again. Now other programs will approach their negotiations differently from the start and expect they will be able to low ball you because you are the whore that goes on the road for two games with no return. I'm not getting into a discussion with the ac faithful about this offer, as it merits none. It's a sham. A joke. I don't give a s**t about the legitimacy of the offers/counteroffers that have been made until now. This "offer" changes the game because it sends the clearest possible signal that your negotiating partner believes you to be a piece of s**t that deserves no better offer, and is treating you as such. End rant. I know a lot of people have the exact same feelings and I'm guessing Faison is sorting through a lot of e-mails this morning that say something very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I sent in my email to Mr. Faison this morning. I am very happy with the job he has done to date but the bottom line is you do not play two consecutive away games with a FCS team. It does not matter who it is. It really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I sent in my email to Mr. Faison this morning. I am very happy with the job he has done to date but the bottom line is you do not play two consecutive away games with a FCS team. It does not matter who it is. It really is that simple. I agree. Home and home only. The University of Home Economics does not have an FBS program. One of the arguments I have seen is that we need to do something before the ND State Legislature gets involved. Poppycock I say! *IF* they do get involved, they would probably force a home and home. End result would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Bottom line, Bubba knows what it takes to make UND successful. Maybe not SIU, but he knows the formula for UND. I've wondered if the "Lennon approach" (balanced, conservative offense; pressure, aggressive defense) works in the SIU recruiting areas. It seems the recruit base in the upper Midwest is better suited to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've wondered if the "Lennon approach" (balanced, conservative offense; pressure, aggressive defense) works in the SIU recruiting areas. It seems the recruit base in the upper Midwest is better suited to it. Very true. If UND could put together the type of teams they did in 2006 and 2007, they certainly can do it again moving forward.They just need to get the scheme, philosophy, and recruiting strategy reinstalled that got them there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I agree. Home and home only. The University of Football Championships does not have an FBS program. One of the arguments I have seen is that we need to do something before the ND State Legislature gets involved. Poppycock I say! *IF* they do get involved, they would probably force a home and home. End result would be better. UND should just be happy to get a game with the University of Football Championships. Thinking they are somehow entitled to a home and home with the best FCS program, amongst the top tier ones not in their conference, is laughable. That's what happens with the lower tier programs in FCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've wondered if the "Lennon approach" (balanced, conservative offense; pressure, aggressive defense) works in the SIU recruiting areas. It seems the recruit base in the upper Midwest is better suited to it. I've never believed what I'll call a "disciplined" style of ball is limited to certain recruiting areas. Saban showed it works at Michigan State, LSU, or Alabama. You need the kids to buy in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 UND should just be happy to get a game with the University of Football Championships. Thinking they are somehow entitled to a home and home with the best FCS program, amongst the top tier ones not in their conference, is laughable. That's what happens with the lower tier programs in FCS. Tell me what other fcs teams ndsu has scheduled 2 consecutive games at the dome with with no return game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 UND should just be happy to get a game with the University of Football Championships. Thinking they are somehow entitled to a home and home with the best FCS program, amongst the top tier ones not in their conference, is laughable. That's what happens with the lower tier programs in FCS. If that is what your administration truly believes then I guess we will have to meet in the playoffs someday because scheduling two away games against a FCS team is unacceptable. I don't care who the FCS team is....I am going to say this one more time....FCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 UND should just be happy to get a game with the University of Football Championships. Thinking they are somehow entitled to a home and home with the best FCS program, amongst the top tier ones not in their conference, is laughable. That's what happens with the lower tier programs in FCS. Weber State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've never believed what I'll call a "disciplined" style of ball is limited to certain recruiting areas. Saban showed it works at Michigan State, LSU, or Alabama. You need the kids to buy in. Saban had more success in the SEC than the Big Ten, if that's worth anything regionally-speaking. I do agree that the best coaches can do wonders basically anywhere, but there are also countless examples of the exact opposite. For example, Bill Belichick (Browns than Patriots), Nick Saban (Dolphins than Alabama), Greg Robinson (Texas to Syracuse), Lane Kiffin, Pete Carroll (Patriots to USC) etc. I think Bubba/Lennon's style best fits UND and the Midwest region, that is compared to SIU. Follow the template of the 2000-2007 teams, and I think that's definitely was Bubba is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Saban had more success in the SEC than the Big Ten, if that's worth anything regionally-speaking. I do agree that the best coaches can do wonders basically anywhere, but there are also countless examples of the exact opposite. For example, Bill Belichick (Browns than Patriots), Nick Saban (Dolphins than Alabama), Greg Robinson (Texas to Syracuse), Lane Kiffin, Pete Carroll (Patriots to USC) etc. I think Bubba/Lennon's style best fits UND and the Midwest region, that is compared to SIU. Follow the template of the 2000-2007 teams, and I think that's definitely was Bubba is doing. He did, but I would say that reflects his access to a higher caliber of recruit to mold into his image. Something else to consider: the difference of success at UND/SIU could also reflect the coaching staff's level of comfort recruiting a midwest footprint vs the SIU footprint. It isn't easy to perform at the same level when you are also out of your comfort zone. Good discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Looks like a few Cal Poly players studied and learned from the wrong ndsu film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I am not willing to call for Faison's job over this. The before/after picture of what was going on in the athletic department prior to his arrival here speaks for itself. That being said, for Faison to accept a two road game deal in Fargo would make my blood boil to a point that it becomes too difficult to put into words. A two road game FCS deal. Not even a two for one at home? Nobody offers that. Nobody accepts that. In the NFL they talk about respecting the shield. Well goddammit, it is about time someone started respecting the Kelly Green and White (if we can no longer do so for the old logo). You do not devalue your program by agreeing to such unprecedentedly lopsided terms. Someone earlier referred to "whoring" out the program, and making the UND program their "bitch", and that's exactly what it is. It would be nothing more than a walk of shame down I-94 for those two games and then staring at a phone that ain't ringing. And then you know what happens? Every other program believes they could ask the same thing from you because you know what? You did it once...you'll do it again. Now other programs will approach their negotiations differently from the start and expect they will be able to low ball you because you are the whore that goes on the road for two games with no return. I'm not getting into a discussion with the ac faithful about this offer, as it merits none. It's a sham. A joke. I don't give a s**t about the legitimacy of the offers/counteroffers that have been made until now. This "offer" changes the game because it sends the clearest possible signal that your negotiating partner believes you to be a piece of s**t that deserves no better offer, and is treating you as such. End rant. Couldn't agree more - the only difference is that I think this should be reason for Faison to go if it happens. Your description of the 2 away games is spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakotadan Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 NDSU lost a lot of close games in their 3-8 season, hashbrown: moral victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Weber State. Kind of funny how they use their break time to come here and spew their lower tier nonsense. He better watch it. His UND boss may not approve his timecard this week. I wonder if he also cried like a little girl in a Jamestown courthouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Kind of funny how they use their break time to come here and spew their lower tier nonsense. He better watch it. His UND boss may not approve his timecard this week. I wonder if he also cried like a little girl in a Jamestown courthouse? Oh great one please tell us how the felony for Beasley is going or is he still going around hitting women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Oh great one please tell us how the felony for Beasley is going or is he still going around hitting women? That's it! No time card approval for you this week! (If you need some $$, just borrow a credit card from El Chapstick...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teeder11 Posted August 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2014 Oh great one please tell us how the felony for Beasley is going or is he still going around hitting women? Whoa, Danno! That one is right out of the old playbook, I see: North Dakota State University Athletics Department Double Secret Internal Policies Manual for Handling Public Relations Disasters: Chapter 3, para. 42, Line 18: "In the occasion that a certain non-rival -- but certainly despised nonetheless, and therefore, should not be named here -- should, in the vernacular, 'talk smack' about Our beloved players, coaches or fandom's past legal indiscretions, whether real, imagine or they have not had their day in court, one must immediately reference a past, current or ongoing legal transgression from the accusing entity's institution. i.e. Jerome Beasley, Daniel Kristo, or Matthew Frattin are optimal go-to options when in a bind." 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMav Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Couldn't agree more - the only difference is that I think this should be reason for Faison to go if it happens. Your description of the 2 away games is spot on. If they are going to play the game, it needs to be in a bigger stadium. Target Field, TCF Bank etc., could easily be filled by the number of Twin Cities fans for both Universities. Otherwise, you could charge $100 per seat and sellout the Alerus Many Bison fans that got shutout for season and single game tickets would jump at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If they are going to play the game, it needs to be in a bigger stadium. Target Field, TCF Bank etc., could easily be filled by the number of Twin Cities fans for both Universities. Otherwise, you could charge $100 per seat and sellout the Alerus Many Bison fans that got shutout for season and single game tickets would jump at that price. A neutral site game is a very interesting idea and one that should be explored. It would make tons of money for both schools and it would give alumni who live outside of the immediate Red River Valley region a chance to watch their team live and in person. It would also solve the issue of where the game(s) should take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Doubt the Twin Cities idea would ever happen, but it would be a party for the ages if it did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzou/sioux Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 A neutral site game is a very interesting idea and one that should be explored. It would make tons of money for both schools and it would give alumni who live outside of the immediate Red River Valley region a chance to watch their team live and in person. It would also solve the issue of where the game(s) should take place. I like the idea of a neutral site. The winner of that game could then host the next game. Of course, it's doubtful if many Bison fans would go for the idea, but, what the heck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMav Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 A neutral site game is a very interesting idea and one that should be explored. It would make tons of money for both schools and it would give alumni who live outside of the immediate Red River Valley region a chance to watch their team live and in person. It would also solve the issue of where the game(s) should take place. At a $30 a head sellout, the take would be over a million to pay rent and split the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The "Battle for North Dakota" should not take place outside of North Dakota....just my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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