UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[SiouxVolley]

Sure, changes could happen that would allow fcs conferences to join a changed fbs. But the big sky would have no more ability to move than any other fcs conference. Sv's whole lifelong goals is to screw over ndsu, and his judgement is clearly impared. Someday he will be featured on svu, and well know the whole story. Dude is scary imo.

An FCS conference will need a FBS school, so only the Big Sky and maybe the Colonial if they get Army and UMass to join.  The MVC has to invite a Sun Belt school with football, so good luck with that.

 

If my lifetime goal is to screw over NDSU, I guess I'm the alter ego of Geno Taylor and his bisonville cheer leaders.  But to my credit, have been very successful at devastating NDSU volleyball and w basketball.  Wait, that was your women's AD who did that.

[SiouxVolley]

I agree with you about the MWC potentially losing Boise..possibly even San Diego State.  I can see New Mexico State joining the MWC and possibly the Montanas and Idaho/Portland State.  (They would want Montana and be forced to take Montana State as part of the deal.)  I don't see any North Dakota options.  

 

The next two years are going to be critical to the survival of the MWC and strong FCS programs.   When, not if, the Power 5 starts paying players, allowing players to transfer one time without penalty, get agents before graduation, etc, is going to turn the divide between them and the lower FBS schools from a creek to the Mississippi River.  

 

Here in Fort Collins, CSU is desperately trying to get a 40,000+ on campus stadium initiative to happen, in an obvious attempt to join a Power 5 conference.  If it happens, they have a slim chance.  If it doesn't, they have no chance. 

 

Bottom line, if you want to hang with the big dogs, it's going to take big $$$.  All the wins in the world over FBS opponents does not matter if you won't cough up the dough.  To buy in to the next level has a lot to do with changing the mindset of the University, the alumni, and the community.   

 

Fresno St and San Diego St have supposedly been sent feelers by the Big 12.  Colo St, UNM, and UNLV would be other possibilities for the Big 12, but much longer shots.  If the MWC expands, it will be with North Texas, UTSA, UTEP, and maybe Rice, as the MWC would want Texas schools for recruiting and media.  Montana and Idaho have no shot at the MWC, so they know that sticking together and building a league with the most capable of the Big Sky is the only option to go FBS (along with a rule change).  

[homer]

Sure, changes could happen that would allow fcs conferences to join a changed fbs. But the big sky would have no more ability to move than any other fcs conference. Sv's whole lifelong goals is to screw over ndsu, and his judgement is clearly impared. Someday he will be featured on svu, and well know the whole story. Dude is scary imo.

Gene Taylor's life long goal was to screw over UND.

[UNDColorado]

Fresno St and San Diego St have supposedly been sent feelers by the Big 12.  Colo St, UNM, and UNLV would be other possibilities for the Big 12, but much longer shots.  If the MWC expands, it will be with North Texas, UTSA, UTEP, and maybe Rice, as the MWC would want Texas schools for recruiting and media.  Montana and Idaho have no shot at the MWC, so they know that sticking together and building a league with the most capable of the Big Sky is the only option to go FBS (along with a rule change).  

 

Colorado State has a much better chance if they get they stadium funds secured: http://www.csurams.com/stadium/ 

[The Sicatoka]

Not sure if serious, but it's because McFeely is in Ogden, Utah for the Weber State game and Ogden is the home of the Big Sky Conference.Here's the interview if you want to draw your own opinions on what he said(17 min):http://kfgo.com/podcasts/mike-mcfeely-show/983/ron-loghry/

There's a good answer. I don't (can't stand to) listen to McFeely so I didn't realize he'd gone boondoggle to Utah on the boss' money.

[fightingsioux4life]

Question 1:

Why would a Bison-rube like McFeely, on the radio home of the Bison, have a Big Sky official on as a guest at all? Why not a MVFC or Summit or Western Wresting Conference official; why not an official from a conference NDSU is affiliated with?

Question 2:

How do you know a conference official is being "less than forthcoming"?*

*Their lips are moving.

McFeely has never been an NDSU apologist.  A lot of Bison fans don't like him because he called out some Bison players when they got into trouble with the law.  I think Craig Bohl even blacklisted him over that.  He also ripped "Whiskey Joe" Chapman over all his underhanded dealings.  And when he was a sportswriter at The Forum, he wasn't afraid to rip NDSU when they had it coming.  And don't forget, McFeely took his show to Pittsburgh last April when UND qualified for the Frozen Four.  He's a graduate of MSU-Moorhead; if he is biased towards any institution, it's that one.

[SiouxVolley]

Colin Cowherd, an EWU alum, was at the EWU-Sam Houston St game and he talked as if EWU would move up as a result of their Gateway Project stadium expansion.  

 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/aug/23/espns-cowherd-returns-to-take-in-ewus-wow-moment/

 

Bison fans need to go on gameday and tell how stupid Cowherd is for believing the EWU can be FBS.  It simply isn't possible, according to them.     Bison fans know what is best for Big Sky schools.  There is no way that 31 networks need football programming.  

 

Eastern’s high-profile weekend follows hard on the NCAA’s decision to grant autonomy to the top conferences in the Football Bowl Subdivision, a move that some feel will widen the gulf between college football’s “haves” and “have-nots.”

A larger facility might ensure Eastern’s long-term ability to compete at the higher levels of NCAA competition – “there will be a landing spot,” Cowherd said – and improve its chances at more lucrative television exposure.

“There are 31 networks out there, and they’re looking for programming,” Cowherd said.

[Bison Dan]

Colin Cowherd, an EWU alum, was at the EWU-Sam Houston St game and he talked as if EWU would move up as a result of their Gateway Project stadium expansion.  

 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/aug/23/espns-cowherd-returns-to-take-in-ewus-wow-moment/

 

Bison fans need to go on gameday and tell how stupid Cowherd is for believing the EWU can be FBS.  It simply isn't possible, according to them.     Bison fans know what is best for Big Sky schools.  There is no way that 31 networks need football programming.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EWU can't even get 10,000 to their FB games.  Sound familiar?  Wasn't Portland State thinking of dropping FB a few years ago? 

[The Sicatoka]

How things are right now is how they'll always be. 

[tjamz]

Colin Cowherd, an EWU alum, was at the EWU-Sam Houston St game and he talked as if EWU would move up as a result of their Gateway Project stadium expansion.  

 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/aug/23/espns-cowherd-returns-to-take-in-ewus-wow-moment/

 

Bison fans need to go on gameday and tell how stupid Cowherd is for believing the EWU can be FBS.  It simply isn't possible, according to them.     Bison fans know what is best for Big Sky schools.  There is no way that 31 networks need football programming.  

 

Geographically EWU is in a great spot and has a very real chance of moving to FBS.  My guess is MWC for them though.  They'll need to up funding and add some sports, but they are one of the schools I could see moving in the next 5 to 10 years.

[darell1976]

Geographically EWU is in a great spot and has a very real chance of moving to FBS.  My guess is MWC for them though.  They'll need to up funding and add some sports, but they are one of the schools I could see moving in the next 5 to 10 years.

Stadium issues could be a problem. Current capacity is 8600. They have a project called the Gateway Project which would add 8,000 more seats however,

 

We do not have the fan base/donor base to spare 60-70 million, yet.

 

http://www.bigskyfans.com/eagles/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1785&start=740

 

 

This project was started in 2010 and for 4 years they don't have the funds to complete it. UND has a better chance at going than EWU.

[SiouxVolley]

Stadium issues could be a problem. Current capacity is 8600. They have a project called the Gateway Project which would add 8,000 more seats however,

 

http://www.bigskyfans.com/eagles/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1785&start=740

 

 

This project was started in 2010 and for 4 years they don't have the funds to complete it. UND has a better chance at going than EWU.

The Gateway Project is more than a stadium expansion, so some of it can be completed in phases.  NDSU fund raised for ten years to get the BSA remodel started.  EWU has only fund raised for 4 years for a bigger project.  

 

http://sites.ewu.edu/foundation/2012/04/20/the-gateway-project/

[darell1976]

The Gateway Project is more than a stadium expansion, so some of it can be completed in phases. NDSU fund raised for ten years to get the BSA remodel started. EWU has only fund raised for 4 years for a bigger project.

http://sites.ewu.edu/foundation/2012/04/20/the-gateway-project/

Unless they move with half of the BSC like your theory states I don't see them moving up.

[SiouxVolley]

Unless they move with half of the BSC like your theory states I don't see them moving up.

You disagree with Colin Cowherd?  EWU has Spokane practically in their backyard.  Spokane will see EWU football as much more relevant if EWU move up to FBS.

[cberkas]

The Gateway Project is more than a stadium expansion, so some of it can be completed in phases.  NDSU fund raised for ten years to get the BSA remodel started.  EWU has only fund raised for 4 years for a bigger project.  

 

http://sites.ewu.edu/foundation/2012/04/20/the-gateway-project/

 

Looks to me that Eastern Washington is pretty much building a new football stadium.

[MafiaMan]

You disagree with Colin Cowherd? EWU has Spokane practically in their backyard. Spokane will see EWU football as much more relevant if EWU move up to FBS.

A lot of college football fans in Spokane already pledge allegiance to the Washington State Cougars. Tough competition out there for fans with the Pac-12 just over an hour away from Cheney.

[SiouxVolley]

For comic and delusional reading, bisonville currently takes the cake.  There is currently a thread about how NDSU should be readying itself for not just any FBS league, but the Big 12.  That is so beyond preposterous that it wouldn't even make Bisonville's most preposterous statements thread.  North Dakota would have to throw its entire budget and surplus for ten years at NDSU to build a 50000 seat stadium, to build a 15000 BB arena, to build up the faculty with serious research credentials, to build up their grad schools, and to build a second state med school in order for NDSU to even enter the realm of outlier possiblities.  Most of the student base now wouldn't get in. Fargo suburbs would have to extend from Wahpeton to Hillsboro for ND's population to work. Yet many of the villers are drinking that koolaid and believing NDSU's land grant status will grant them P5 status.  Land grant hurts, rather than helps, as most research schools don't take agricultural research seriously.  Its the reason that Nebraska was expelled from the AAU:  too ag dependent in research.

 

NDSU has no shot at the Big 12.  Nada.  Its like a negative odds, an imaginary number with the i.   Their must be a statistics course that figures odds for the delusional dumbsh*ts there, but that level of delusionality hasn't been discovered before.  Football indeed has serious repercussions on the brain.  The only case for NDSU in the existing FBS is the Sun Belt, and that's on the order of 0.1%.  The Sun Belt could need a member if it doesn't get a satisfactory answer out of JMU or Mo St, but it would still be as an affiliate and NDSU would probably have to pay travel costs and agree to stay for 10 years so they couldn't bolt and go independent like UMass did.

 

Bizon fans just can't stand the idea of an FBS Big Sky.  That is where NDSU's destiny is.

[darell1976]

For comic and delusional reading, bisonville currently takes the cake.  There is currently a thread about how NDSU should be readying itself for not just any FBS league, but the Big 12.  That is so beyond preposterous that it wouldn't even make Bisonville's most preposterous statements thread.  North Dakota would have to throw its entire budget and surplus for ten years at NDSU to build a 50000 seat stadium, to build a 15000 BB arena, to build up the faculty with serious research credentials, to build up their grad schools, and to build a second state med school in order for NDSU to even enter the realm of outlier possiblities.  Most of the student base now wouldn't get in. Fargo suburbs would have to extend from Wahpeton to Hillsboro for ND's population to work. Yet many of the villers are drinking that koolaid and believing NDSU's land grant status will grant them P5 status.  Land grant hurts, rather than helps, as most research schools don't take agricultural research seriously.  Its the reason that Nebraska was expelled from the AAU:  too ag dependent in research.

 

NDSU has no shot at the Big 12.  Nada.  Its like a negative odds, an imaginary number with the i.   Their must be a statistics course that figures odds for the delusional dumbsh*ts there, but that level of delusionality hasn't been discovered before.  Football indeed has serious repercussions on the brain.  The only case for NDSU in the existing FBS is the Sun Belt, and that's on the order of 0.1%.  The Sun Belt could need a member if it doesn't get a satisfactory answer out of JMU or Mo St, but it would still be as an affiliate and NDSU would probably have to pay travel costs and agree to stay for 10 years so they couldn't bolt and go independent like UMass did.

 

Bizon fans just can't stand the idea of an FBS Big Sky.  That is where NDSU's destiny is.

The funny part besides all the BS Lakes says, was moving to the Sun Belt and when the FBS playoff expands to 16-20 teams the Sun Belt will get an autobid so NDSU would be part of the FBS playoff. Too much NCAA Football on XBox for those fans.

[bison73]

For comic and delusional reading, bisonville currently takes the cake.  There is currently a thread about how NDSU should be readying itself for not just any FBS league, but the Big 12.  That is so beyond preposterous that it wouldn't even make Bisonville's most preposterous statements thread.  North Dakota would have to throw its entire budget and surplus for ten years at NDSU to build a 50000 seat stadium, to build a 15000 BB arena, to build up the faculty with serious research credentials, to build up their grad schools, and to build a second state med school in order for NDSU to even enter the realm of outlier possiblities.  Most of the student base now wouldn't get in. Fargo suburbs would have to extend from Wahpeton to Hillsboro for ND's population to work. Yet many of the villers are drinking that koolaid and believing NDSU's land grant status will grant them P5 status.  Land grant hurts, rather than helps, as most research schools don't take agricultural research seriously.  Its the reason that Nebraska was expelled from the AAU:  too ag dependent in research.

 

NDSU has no shot at the Big 12.  Nada.  Its like a negative odds, an imaginary number with the i.   Their must be a statistics course that figures odds for the delusional dumbsh*ts there, but that level of delusionality hasn't been discovered before.  Football indeed has serious repercussions on the brain.  The only case for NDSU in the existing FBS is the Sun Belt, and that's on the order of 0.1%.  The Sun Belt could need a member if it doesn't get a satisfactory answer out of JMU or Mo St, but it would still be as an affiliate and NDSU would probably have to pay travel costs and agree to stay for 10 years so they couldn't bolt and go independent like UMass did.

 

Bizon fans just can't stand the idea of an FBS Big Sky.  That is where NDSU's destiny is.

 

 

Considring your above comments its a pretty big stretch for you to make folly of a couple of people over at BV talking the same crappola. But you are highly enrtaining just like they are. 

[The Sicatoka]

On-field performance comes and goes (see Longhorn football), so that's why conferences have gone more to markets and demographics. 

 

Proof? 

 

Rutgers (NYC/northern NJ TV market) and Maryland (Balt/Wash TV market) in the Big Ten. The addition of those cable markets is a windfall for the Big Ten Network. 

[UND1983]

 

 

Considring your above comments its a pretty big stretch for you to make folly of a couple of people over at BV talking the same crappola. But you are highly enrtaining just like they are. 

 

 

Except for his actually has an 'above zero' percent chance of happening.  He never stated that UND was joining the Big 12, Big 10 or MWC.  

[SiouxVolley]

 

 

Considering your above comments its a pretty big stretch for you to make folly of a couple of people over at BV talking the same crappola. But you are highly enrtaining just like they are. 

 

Bison rubes just don't get the difference between satire and serious comments, do you.

 

If Texas left the Big 12, it definitely wouldn't be for the SEC.  They won't follow A&M to a lower level academic conference:  too much pride.  But they would go to a blue blood conference like the B1G or Pac12.  The Big 12 would backfill then, but it would be schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, or USF.

 

 

td577 said:

The Big 12 is a mess right now. They missed the boat by not making a conference TV deal. They screwed the rest of the conference allowing Texas to negotiate for their own network. Sure there is a Jayhawk network, but it is local. Everyone in the Big 12 right now will not expand because the tier 1 and tier 2 TV deals are split evenly regardless of number of schools, so they don't want to add another school. So as long as they refuse to expand, they will never be part of the top four bowl games. Texas isn't going anywhere. The SEC doesn't need them. The Pac 12 doesn't need them. They would be in a better place in the football world if they truly became a two division, 12-14 school conference with a playoff and get a seat at the big people's table. 

Currently with negotiating their own deals, 8 schools bring in around $25M each with TCU and WV bringing in about 1/2 until they completely phase in. Texas gets another $15M from the Longhorn network, KSU $3M from theirs, and KU $6M. The current Big 12 Network is barely scraping games off the floor and hardly paying anyone anything. So when they are all sharing equally, it will be around $20M each so they are scared if they add 4 more schools, it will drop to $14M each. But, if they dismantle the individual networks and score a deal that is even 1/2 of the SEC deal, that would be another $20M per school. Texas loses nothing and 13 schools all make exponentially more. They would also be a big boy now guaranteed a spot in the big boy loop. 

Now they need 2-4 schools to make it all happen. If you go 4, then you go USF, UCF, BYU, and then it is a toss up with a few schools for the fourth spot. Cincinnati? Why not NDSU? The whole shakeup would be driven by ESPN and who else would ESPN want then a brand new market with national appeal? ESPN makes it all happen and NDSU is the beneficiary of a really fun ride. No less than $35M per school and that is before the bowl payouts. If ESPN wants Wednesday night football, we give them Wednesday night football. They are kingmakers and can push for just about whatever they want. I don't know what needs to happen to get considered, but it needs to happen. 

 

Took me to call total BS on this post before a bison fan even called him on it.

[UND1983]

Bison rubes just don't get the difference between satire and serious comments, do you.

 

If Texas left the Big 12, it definitely wouldn't be for the SEC.  They won't follow A&M to a lower level academic conference:  too much pride.  But they would go to a blue blood conference like the B1G or Pac12.  The Big 12 would backfill then, but it would be schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, or USF.

 

 

Took me to call total BS on this post before a bison fan even called him on it.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.  So NDSU is going to get 35 million dollars a year now, after receiving maybe $100K from KVLY... if that?

[homer]

Bison rubes just don't get the difference between satire and serious comments, do you.

 

If Texas left the Big 12, it definitely wouldn't be for the SEC.  They won't follow A&M to a lower level academic conference:  too much pride.  But they would go to a blue blood conference like the B1G or Pac12.  The Big 12 would backfill then, but it would be schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, or USF.

 

 

Took me to call total BS on this post before a bison fan even called him on it.

 

Many in their fanbase have labeled themselves ESPNs media darling.  That is where his reference of "who else would ESPN want" comes from.  There are a few more that pop into my head.

[andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!!]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.  So NDSU is going to get 35 million dollars a year now, after receiving maybe $100K from KVLY... if that?

Does anyone really know how much they make with their TV deal?