UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[cberkas]

On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 5:57 PM, nd1sufan said:

#buttidaho...    You are forgetting the BSC has the Idaho wildcard in their pocket. They are their magic ticket to the FBS.   Never mind that the Big Sky schools can't even afford FCOA much less 22 more scholarships. 

 

23 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Link? 

University of Montana can't due to how they are cutting jobs and enrollment has been declining the last two years.

[Siouxperfan7]

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/sports/2016/03/01/big-sky-could-idaho-footballs-future-after-leaving-sun-belt/81167778/

First I have heard about splitting the FCS conference and having an autobid for each!!  

[homer]

That would really simplify non conference scheduling

[UNDBIZ]

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/culture-clash-with-mideaststudents-stirs-up-idaho-town/

Idaho St to lose $20+ million in annual tuition revenue in the next few years?  Looks like Dickinson State's president had a clone at Idaho St, pushing enrollment up any way they could.

[darell1976]

15 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/culture-clash-with-mideaststudents-stirs-up-idaho-town/

Idaho St to lose $20+ million in annual tuition revenue in the next few years?  Looks like Dickinson State's president had a clone at Idaho St, pushing enrollment up any way they could.

I can't see them on the upper Big Sky team list of FBS wannabes. Not with a budget problem like that.

[MJG]

I don't get the Idaho connection that makes a conference eligible to move up.

I believe a conference could be better than the MAC or Sun Belt with some of these schools. The Summit would make sense especially if the non football schools left. Because its an existing conference and has three Dakota schools in it. UND,UM,MSU and Idaho could join it possibly even NMSU. Keep Denver and Omaha. Or the WAC could almost collapse and all the FBS potential state flagship schools join it.

 

Twenty seven FBS teams averaged under twenty thousand. Most counted tickets sold for a couple thousand at the least. Montana,MontanaSt,NDSU,SDSU,IDAHO and NMSU together have a higher average than the MAC.

The  rules might make it impossible especially the conference invitation rule.Eliminate that rule then it might have a chance. I still don't get why it has to be the Big Sky or see Idaho's importance in making it happen.  The three newly orphaned programs could help schools move up if allowed. NMSU and U Mass would be needed as much as Idaho.

[SiouxVolley]

22 hours ago, MJG said:

I don't get the Idaho connection that makes a conference eligible to move up.

I believe a conference could be better than the MAC or Sun Belt with some of these schools. The Summit would make sense especially if the non football schools left. Because its an existing conference and has three Dakota schools in it. UND,UM,MSU and Idaho could join it possibly even NMSU. Keep Denver and Omaha. Or the WAC could almost collapse and all the FBS potential state flagship schools join it.

 

Twenty seven FBS teams averaged under twenty thousand. Most counted tickets sold for a couple thousand at the least. Montana,MontanaSt,NDSU,SDSU,IDAHO and NMSU together have a higher average than the MAC.

The  rules might make it impossible especially the conference invitation rule.Eliminate that rule then it might have a chance. I still don't get why it has to be the Big Sky or see Idaho's importance in making it happen.  The three newly orphaned programs could help schools move up if allowed. NMSU and U Mass would be needed as much as Idaho.

The NCAA will make a rule change this summer where orphan FBS teams can join FCS conferences and they can all move up to FBS if enough transition properly.  That's why the Big Sky is so anxious to lock in Idaho football.  Since its the Frozen Four weekend, their isn't a lot of enthusiasm to talk about it now.  Bison and Jack fans are dead set against it and insist that it won't happen, because UND has a path to FBS then.  UND would need a stadium expansion, and alot of fans see that as too much of a stretch goal.

This summer will be huge in Big Sky history.

[#MACtion]

<eyes rolling> 

Even if this rules changed happened, it would be foolish for the Big Sky to do this.  A complete waste of money for nothing in return.  Paying for 44 more scholarships and spending a ton more money for what?  What is the expected return?  CFP contract is set in stone and Big Sky wouldn't get a dime of that.  TV?  CUSA struggling to find a bidder to show their games and will take a huge pay cut.  Relevance?  Big Sky will be viewed as the same irrelevant FCS-ish conference with the PAC12 and Mountain West dominating them.

 

So spend a bunch of money to pretend and see no increase in revenue and still have a couple games on Root Sports.  Sounds like a Fullerton plan to me.  Foolish.

 

 

[SiouxVolley]

4 hours ago, #MACtion said:

<eyes rolling> 

Even if this rules changed happened, it would be foolish for the Big Sky to do this.  A complete waste of money for nothing in return.  Paying for 44 more scholarships and spending a ton more money for what?  What is the expected return?  CFP contract is set in stone and Big Sky wouldn't get a dime of that.  TV?  CUSA struggling to find a bidder to show their games and will take a huge pay cut.  Relevance?  Big Sky will be viewed as the same irrelevant FCS-ish conference with the PAC12 and Mountain West dominating them.

 

So spend a bunch of money to pretend and see no increase in revenue and still have a couple games on Root Sports.  Sounds like a Fullerton plan to me.  Foolish.

 

 

Coming from a MAC fan, as the MAC is the B1G's hired bitch, this is pretty rich. Sure, the MAC gets an extra $1 mill per team because of the CFP, but if the Big Sky is FBS too, they wouldn't get shut out on the next contract.  FBS means more than $1 mill in advertising per year, otherwise the MAC would go FCS itself.

On the field, UND plays BGSU in September.  We'll see if the MAC Champs can beat a lowly FCS school.

[jackal]

17 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The NCAA will make a rule change this summer where orphan FBS teams can join FCS conferences and they can all move up to FBS if enough transition properly.  That's why the Big Sky is so anxious to lock in Idaho football.  Since its the Frozen Four weekend, their isn't a lot of enthusiasm to talk about it now.  Bison and Jack fans are dead set against it and insist that it won't happen, because UND has a path to FBS then.  UND would need a stadium expansion, and alot of fans see that as too much of a stretch goal.

This summer will be huge in Big Sky history.

2018 is right around the corner. How is the stadium renovation coming? I assume the money is raised,drawings are done, shovels in the ground next month?

[darell1976]

5 hours ago, #MACtion said:

<eyes rolling> 

Even if this rules changed happened, it would be foolish for the Big Sky to do this.  A complete waste of money for nothing in return.  Paying for 44 more scholarships and spending a ton more money for what?  What is the expected return?  CFP contract is set in stone and Big Sky wouldn't get a dime of that.  TV?  CUSA struggling to find a bidder to show their games and will take a huge pay cut.  Relevance?  Big Sky will be viewed as the same irrelevant FCS-ish conference with the PAC12 and Mountain West dominating them.

 

So spend a bunch of money to pretend and see no increase in revenue and still have a couple games on Root Sports.  Sounds like a Fullerton plan to me.  Foolish.

 

 

This coming from a fan from the conference who has teams that can't average 15k (FBS requirement) consistently why are you guys FBS? Eastern Michigan can't get 5,000 average that's less than UND and most of the Big Sky. The MAC is useless in the eyes of the FBS, which MAC team will face the big dogs in that FBS playoff? When we move up we will be your equals...scary isn't it.

[Hayduke]

On 2/3/2016 at 7:44 AM, darell1976 said:

LSU 80 Idaho (FBS) 0

LSU 80 Idaho (FCS) 0

This could hurt LSU's SOS either way if they want to make it to that precocious "playoff". 

It's  about the quality losses...

[darell1976]

18 minutes ago, Hayduke said:

It's  about the quality losses...

Only in the FCS. 

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, jackal said:

2018 is right around the corner. How is the stadium renovation coming? I assume the money is raised,drawings are done, shovels in the ground next month?

As said numerous times here, 2019 will be the year that FBS attendance requirements will kick in, but some bizon and jack posters think the whole idea of UND and some of the Big Sky going FBS is the most absurd thing ever.  We get that, but it's not absurd for your own boards to discuss FBS.  

[#MACtion]

Most entertaining thread ever...

[nd1sufan]

On 4/8/2016 at 6:00 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The NCAA will make a rule change this summer where orphan FBS teams can join FCS conferences and they can all move up to FBS if enough transition properly.  That's why the Big Sky is so anxious to lock in Idaho football.  Since its the Frozen Four weekend, their isn't a lot of enthusiasm to talk about it now.  Bison and Jack fans are dead set against it and insist that it won't happen, because UND has a path to FBS then.  UND would need a stadium expansion, and alot of fans see that as too much of a stretch goal.

This summer will be huge in Big Sky history.

So the NCAA is going to change the rules for two FBS programs (Idaho and NMSU) that didn't have the support to be FBS in the first place? 

[SiouxVolley]

8 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

So the NCAA is going to change the rules for two FBS programs (Idaho and NMSU) that didn't have the support to be FBS in the first place? 

According to bisonville, ESPN is pushing the NCAA to allow NDSU to move up to FBS because they love the bizon so much.

When was the last time a schools at the FBS level has ever dropped down a level or dropped football?  UAB recanted and doesn't count.

[nd1sufan]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

According to bisonville, ESPN is pushing the NCAA to allow NDSU to move up to FBS because they love the bizon so much.

When was the last time a schools at the FBS level has ever dropped down a level or dropped football?  UAB recanted and doesn't count.

Nobody is trying to push the NCAA to allow NDSU to go FBS just like NOBODY outside of Idaho cares that The Univ of Idaho has no FBS home and has to drop down. Actually, very few people in Moscow, ID even care.

[Herd]

17 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

According to bisonville, ESPN is pushing the NCAA to allow NDSU to move up to FBS because they love the bizon so much.

When was the last time a schools at the FBS level has ever dropped down a level or dropped football?  UAB recanted and doesn't count.

That's BS.  NDSU fans know that to join the FBS ranks, you need to join "An Existing" conference . . . not create some sort of BS scheme with marginal teams and FCS conferences.

The steam right now is the Summit expansion talks.  UND might not even be in the Big Sky come 2019, the AD might come to his senses.

[zonadub]

Summit expansion? What? Who? And who are you having to replace?

[SiouxVolley]

4 minutes ago, Herd said:

That's BS.  NDSU fans know that to join the FBS ranks, you need to join "An Existing" conference . . . not create some sort of BS scheme with marginal teams and FCS conferences.

The steam right now is the Summit expansion talks.  UND might not even be in the Big Sky come 2019, the AD might come to his senses.

So obviously bizon fans can't see BS even if it hit them in the face.

So FBS move up rules have changed approximately every 5-10 years, but you seem to think they are written in stone.

The NCAA placed a three year moratorium on new bowls today.  The first year another bowl can start is 2019, the exact year that I say they will be needed.  Too many coincidents.

[Herd]

4 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Summit expansion? What? Who? And who are you having to replace?

Inquiries about joining.  Speculation is NMSU and UMKC, potentially another school within the footprint.

[Herd]

6 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

So obviously bizon fans can't see BS even if it hit them in the face.

So FBS move up rules have changed approximately every 5-10 years, but you seem to think they are written in stone.

The NCAA placed a three year moratorium on new bowls today.  The first year another bowl can start is 2019, the exact year that I say they will be needed.  Too many coincidents.

Moratorium on Bowls, yes I know.   That helps the Big Sky go FBS, how????   Oh, I see, fewer bowl games means FBS Big Sky is for sure.   Gee wiz, you can't make this stuff up.

For the Big Sky to go FBS the other conference would need to approve this.  How in the world would any P5 conference want a 3rd rated FCS conference to join their ranks? It's laughable that any FBS conference would support this.

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, Herd said:

That's BS.  NDSU fans know that to join the FBS ranks, you need to join "An Existing" conference . . . not create some sort of BS scheme with marginal teams and FCS conferences.

The steam right now is the Summit expansion talks.  UND might not even be in the Big Sky come 2019, the AD might come to his senses.

Has nothing to do with UND's AD.  Had everything to do with your old AD and his cronies, along with Patty not wanting to have too many western teams.  

[Herd]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Has nothing to do with UND's AD.  Had everything to do with your old AD and his cronies, along with Patty not wanting to have too many western teams.  

If UND was offered Summit/MVFC membership, they'd be crazy not to listen.  You are playing football outside your recruiting area.  Recruiting would improve for FB for sure.  All UND would need to do is tell them Summit they'd join with MVfC membership, and they'd get the help they needed from the SL.  It's not hard to figure out.  SD understood how to leverage this.